Borg Warner Gears
Mike:
Start up your boat and run for a few minutes while shifting in and out of
gear. Ask someone to shut off your engine while you are in the engine room
all prepared to pull the dipstick. The moment the engine shuts down, pull
the stick and check the oil level. It should be on full before the oil
runs back down out of the gear. If it isn't full, add oil and repeat
procedure until you get a full level immediately upon stopping. These
gears were designed to run with the reservoir full while running and not
after oil has run down out of the gear back into the pan. When I had Borg
gears I marked the new oil level on the stick after the engines were shut
down for an hour or so. This made it possible for me to check the oil
while the engines were cold and made sure that the engine would be full
while running. In fact, I over-filled my gears right to the top of the
fill hole and went for a good run and just let the oil come out the
overflow and when it stopped, that's where I marked my dipstick so that I
knew that my gears always had enough oil.
By the way, if you have model 1014 gears, they're obsolete. That's another
story!
Al
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Captain Al Pilvinis
"M/V Driftwood"--Prairie 47
2630 N.E. 41st Street
Lighthouse Point, Fl 33064-8064
Voice 954-941-2556 Fax 954 788-2666
Email - CaptainAl@Juno.com
Website http://home.earthlink.net/~yourcaptain
Al,
I recently discovered (while replacing a rear seal) that my
BW 10-13's are obsolete too. The 13's have an 1 1/2" drop
(input to output) and they're no longer made. Parts are
becoming very scarce, especially for the stbd trans.
Replacing them would be a real mess because of the drop. I
plan to baby them and keep a lookout for spares.
Randy Jacobs, ja447@ix.netcom.com
48 DeFever, ADIOS!
Charleston SC
Now I'm getting worried! When I changed oil in my B-W VD last month, I
could read the oil level with the engine cold on the very short
dipstick. Now I can't. I'd prefer not to have to "rock the dock" in
order to check the oil alongside a heated engine!
Where can I get a dipstick to fit that is long enough to use Al's second
approach (check with transmission/engine cold), and is it going to
interfere with the gears?
Al Pilvinis wrote:
Mike:
Start up your boat and run for a few minutes while shifting in and out of
gear. Ask someone to shut off your engine while you are in the engine room
all prepared to pull the dipstick. The moment the engine shuts down, pull
the stick and check the oil level. It should be on full before the oil
runs back down out of the gear. If it isn't full, add oil and repeat
procedure until you get a full level immediately upon stopping. These
gears were designed to run with the reservoir full while running and not
after oil has run down out of the gear back into the pan. When I had Borg
gears I marked the new oil level on the stick after the engines were shut
down for an hour or so. This made it possible for me to check the oil
while the engines were cold and made sure that the engine would be full
while running. In fact, I over-filled my gears right to the top of the
fill hole and went for a good run and just let the oil come out the
overflow and when it stopped, that's where I marked my dipstick so that I
knew that my gears always had enough oil.
--
Bob McLeran rmcleran@ix.netcom.com
M/V "Sanderling" Docked at Point Patience Marina
Hailing port: Wianno MA Solomons, MD
Hampton 35 Trawler
Now I'm getting worried! When I changed oil in my B-W VD last month, I
could read the oil level with the engine cold on the very short
dipstick. Now I can't. I'd prefer not to have to "rock the dock" in
order to check the oil alongside a heated engine!
Where can I get a dipstick to fit that is long enough to use Al's second
approach (check with transmission/engine cold), and is it going to
interfere with the gears?
Listees,
The B/W trans oil level should be checked within 5 mins of shut down. You do
not have to have the engine or trans hot to check the oil. Just start the
engine and put the trans in gear for 15 seconds. shut the engine down and
check the oil. It's that simple. When the trans is running the oil pump
will fill the oil passages and shift pistons and cooler piping with the oil
from the resevoir. After you shut down the oil starts to drain back to the
resevoir. So the sooner the better to see what the oil level is. After the
trans has set for 30 mins the oil level will read OVER FILLED. If you can
not read the oil level on a "cold" ie: 30 mins or more after shut down, you
are dangerously low on oil. As Capt Al P. wrote, If I dare to paraphrase the
most high Capt Al, check and fill the oil correctly as listed above and then
let the trans sit for 30 mins or more. Then mark the new 'over full' level
on the dip stick. This will allow you to check the oil level anytime you are
in the engine room without the bother of starting the engine.
Morley
M/V Tortuga ( 35' Ta Chiao )
Cape Coral, Florida
I guess my question is realy more basic than what I originally asked.
Without reference to a dip stick which might not be long enough (it's
only about 2.5 - 3.0 inches) or marked correctly (about 1/2 inch from
the end), how do I know when I have the correct amount of oil in the B/W
transmission? Once I know, I can remark the dipstick at the correct
"cold" level.
Morley and Tricia wrote:
The B/W trans oil level should be checked within 5 mins of shut down. You do
not have to have the engine or trans hot to check the oil. Just start the
engine and put the trans in gear for 15 seconds. shut the engine down and
check the oil. It's that simple. When the trans is running the oil pump
will fill the oil passages and shift pistons and cooler piping with the oil
from the resevoir. After you shut down the oil starts to drain back to the
resevoir. So the sooner the better to see what the oil level is. After the
trans has set for 30 mins the oil level will read OVER FILLED. If you can
not read the oil level on a "cold" ie: 30 mins or more after shut down, you
are dangerously low on oil. As Capt Al P. wrote, If I dare to paraphrase the
most high Capt Al, check and fill the oil correctly as listed above and then
let the trans sit for 30 mins or more. Then mark the new 'over full' level
on the dip stick. This will allow you to check the oil level anytime you are
in the engine room without the bother of starting the engine.
Morley
M/V Tortuga ( 35' Ta Chiao )
Cape Coral, Florida
--
Bob McLeran rmcleran@ix.netcom.com
M/V "Sanderling" Docked at Point Patience Marina
Hailing port: Wianno MA Solomons, MD
Hampton 35 Trawler
Bob & Debbie Huddleston Krogen 42
AB6NI KC6SKY "The Deborah C."
HuddlestonB_D@msn.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Al Pilvinis yourcaptain@earthlink.net
To: trawler-world-list@samurai.com
Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 9:26 AM
Subject: Borg Warner Gears
Perhaps one of you can identify which model of the Borg Warner Velvet Drive
that I have. It is marked
Model 1017-014
Serial No. 6969
Gear Ratio 2.91:1
The engine was new in 1987.
By the way, if you have model 1014 gears, they're obsolete. That's
another
story!
Al
.
Captain Al Pilvinis
"M/V Driftwood"--Prairie 47
2630 N.E. 41st Street
Lighthouse Point, Fl 33064-8064
Voice 954-941-2556 Fax 954 788-2666
Email - CaptainAl@Juno.com
Website http://home.earthlink.net/~yourcaptain
Bob & Debbie Huddleston Krogen 42
Perhaps one of you can identify which model of the Borg Warner Velvet
Drive
that I have. It is marked
Model 1017-014
Serial No. 6969
Gear Ratio 2.91:1
The engine was new in 1987.
Bob and Debbie,
To recieve the "Final Word" on your trans, call Bob Smith at American Diesel
Corp. 804-435-3107 or Email bobsmithadc@juno.com .
Bob has forgotten more about trawler diesels and trans than this entire list
combined.
Morley
M/V Tortuga ( 35' Ta Chiao )
Cape Coral, Florida
Woops!.... What I ment to say is that Bob has forgotten more than the list
will Know. I have great expectations on what the combined list could
forget!! :<)
Morley
Bob & Debbie Huddleston Krogen 42
Perhaps one of you can identify which model of the Borg Warner Velvet
Drive
that I have. It is marked
Model 1017-014
Serial No. 6969
Gear Ratio 2.91:1
The engine was new in 1987.
Bob and Debbie,
To recieve the "Final Word" on your trans, call Bob Smith at American
Diesel
Corp. 804-435-3107 or Email bobsmithadc@juno.com .
Bob has forgotten more about trawler diesels and trans than this entire
list
combined.
Morley
M/V Tortuga ( 35' Ta Chiao )
Cape Coral, Florida
At 06:18 AM 08/21/1999 -0700, you wrote:
Al,
I recently discovered (while replacing a rear seal) that my
BW 10-13's are obsolete too. The 13's have an 1 1/2" drop
(input to output) and they're no longer made. Parts are
becoming very scarce, especially for the stbd trans.
Replacing them would be a real mess because of the drop. I
plan to baby them and keep a lookout for spares.
Randy Jacobs, ja447@ix.netcom.com
48 DeFever, ADIOS!
Charleston SC
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Hi Randy
Hurth makes a gear with a 10 degree down angle output.
May be you can make it work. Also try Atlantis for used spares or rebuilt
gears.
Al
.
Captain Al Pilvinis
"M/V Driftwood"--Prairie 47
2630 N.E. 41st Street
Lighthouse Point, Fl 33064-8064
Voice 954-941-2556 Fax 954 788-2666
Email - CaptainAl@Juno.com
Website http://home.earthlink.net/~yourcaptain
As Capt Al P. wrote, If I dare to paraphrase the
most high Capt Al, check and fill the oil correctly as listed above and then
let the trans sit for 30 mins or more. Then mark the new 'over full' level
on the dip stick. This will allow you to check the oil level anytime you are
in the engine room without the bother of starting the engine.
Morley
M/V Tortuga ( 35' Ta Chiao )
Cape Coral, Florida
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Well put Morley----Thanks for the clarification.
AL
.
Captain Al Pilvinis
"M/V Driftwood"--Prairie 47
2630 N.E. 41st Street
Lighthouse Point, Fl 33064-8064
Voice 954-941-2556 Fax 954 788-2666
Email - CaptainAl@Juno.com
Website http://home.earthlink.net/~yourcaptain
At 10:39 AM 08/21/1999 -0400, you wrote:
I guess my question is realy more basic than what I originally asked.
Without reference to a dip stick which might not be long enough (it's
only about 2.5 - 3.0 inches) or marked correctly (about 1/2 inch from
the end), how do I know when I have the correct amount of oil in the B/W
transmission? Once I know, I can remark the dipstick at the correct
"cold" level.
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Once again fill the gear to the top, put the stick back and go for a good
run for about an hour. Oil will come out the overfill. Clean up the mess.
Let the engine cool down and dip the oil this mark will be your new cold
full mark.
AL
.
Captain Al Pilvinis
"M/V Driftwood"--Prairie 47
2630 N.E. 41st Street
Lighthouse Point, Fl 33064-8064
Voice 954-941-2556 Fax 954 788-2666
Email - CaptainAl@Juno.com
Website http://home.earthlink.net/~yourcaptain
At 12:37 PM 08/21/1999 -0400, you wrote:
Bob & Debbie Huddleston Krogen 42
Perhaps one of you can identify which model of the Borg Warner Velvet
Drive
that I have. It is marked
Model 1017-014
Serial No. 6969
Gear Ratio 2.91:1
The engine was new in 1987.
Bob and Debbie,
To recieve the "Final Word" on your trans, call Bob Smith at American Diesel
Corp. 804-435-3107 or Email bobsmithadc@juno.com .
Bob has forgotten more about trawler diesels and trans than this entire list
combined.
---=======
If you want gear info call Atlantis---they service more BW than any one and
are very nice (not like me)
AL
.
Captain Al Pilvinis
"M/V Driftwood"--Prairie 47
2630 N.E. 41st Street
Lighthouse Point, Fl 33064-8064
Voice 954-941-2556 Fax 954 788-2666
Email - CaptainAl@Juno.com
Website http://home.earthlink.net/~yourcaptain