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TimeStick

MD
Magnus Danielson
Tue, Oct 8, 2024 5:00 AM

Fellow time-nuts,

As my travels brings me to ISPCS conference and plugfest in Tokyo, they
hand out these nifty little devices called the TimeStick.

https://www.time-stick.com/about-2

Really cool little device!

I thought you guys would enjoy learning about it.

Best Regards,
Magnus

Fellow time-nuts, As my travels brings me to ISPCS conference and plugfest in Tokyo, they hand out these nifty little devices called the TimeStick. https://www.time-stick.com/about-2 Really cool little device! I thought you guys would enjoy learning about it. Best Regards, Magnus
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paul swed
Tue, Oct 8, 2024 12:57 PM

Magnus that is amazing and it seems to be $29. That is hard to believe.
Appreciate you sharing.
Paul
WB8TSL

On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 1:24 AM Magnus Danielson via time-nuts <
time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote:

Fellow time-nuts,

As my travels brings me to ISPCS conference and plugfest in Tokyo, they
hand out these nifty little devices called the TimeStick.

https://www.time-stick.com/about-2

Really cool little device!

I thought you guys would enjoy learning about it.

Best Regards,
Magnus


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Magnus that is amazing and it seems to be $29. That is hard to believe. Appreciate you sharing. Paul WB8TSL On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 1:24 AM Magnus Danielson via time-nuts < time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > Fellow time-nuts, > > As my travels brings me to ISPCS conference and plugfest in Tokyo, they > hand out these nifty little devices called the TimeStick. > > https://www.time-stick.com/about-2 > > Really cool little device! > > I thought you guys would enjoy learning about it. > > Best Regards, > Magnus > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com >
MD
Magnus Danielson
Wed, Oct 9, 2024 3:05 AM

Hi Paul,

Yes. I think the presentation on the web leaves a little more to desire,
so I will ask Ahmed to improve that, as I think it should not be too
difficult to achieve.

While many do not have PTP timing in their labs, it is becoming more and
more ubiquious so it is interesing when the entry level is so low. With
this little device you can do your normal TI-counter measurement even
for a PTP source. Exactly how much it filters, add noise and add time
bias, I do not know, yet.

I find it interesting that the PPS is such a common reference
measurement point, it keep showing up in packet timing solutions as a
reference point, including the ITU-T standards.

Cheers,
Magnus

On 2024-10-08 14:57, paul swed wrote:

Magnus that is amazing and it seems to be $29. That is hard to believe.
Appreciate you sharing.
Paul
WB8TSL

On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 1:24 AM Magnus Danielson via time-nuts
time-nuts@lists.febo.com wrote:

 Fellow time-nuts,

 As my travels brings me to ISPCS conference and plugfest in Tokyo,
 they
 hand out these nifty little devices called the TimeStick.

 https://www.time-stick.com/about-2

 Really cool little device!

 I thought you guys would enjoy learning about it.

 Best Regards,
 Magnus
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Hi Paul, Yes. I think the presentation on the web leaves a little more to desire, so I will ask Ahmed to improve that, as I think it should not be too difficult to achieve. While many do not have PTP timing in their labs, it is becoming more and more ubiquious so it is interesing when the entry level is so low. With this little device you can do your normal TI-counter measurement even for a PTP source. Exactly how much it filters, add noise and add time bias, I do not know, yet. I find it interesting that the PPS is such a common reference measurement point, it keep showing up in packet timing solutions as a reference point, including the ITU-T standards. Cheers, Magnus On 2024-10-08 14:57, paul swed wrote: > Magnus that is amazing and it seems to be $29. That is hard to believe. > Appreciate you sharing. > Paul > WB8TSL > > On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 1:24 AM Magnus Danielson via time-nuts > <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > Fellow time-nuts, > > As my travels brings me to ISPCS conference and plugfest in Tokyo, > they > hand out these nifty little devices called the TimeStick. > > https://www.time-stick.com/about-2 > > Really cool little device! > > I thought you guys would enjoy learning about it. > > Best Regards, > Magnus > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com >
JL
Jim Lux
Fri, Oct 11, 2024 12:01 AM

 
It's unclear if this is a time source (i.e. you've got a grandmaster or such running PTP and sending time, and this widget receives it and puts out 1pps.  Or can it be a sender - I cobble up a bunch of stuff from my collection of masers and fountain clocks in my underground lair, and I can send that highly accurate tick to the rest of the (connected by cabled ethernet) world?

beaks out 1pps is ambiguous

On Wed, 9 Oct 2024 05:05:12 +0200, Magnus Danielson via time-nuts time-nuts@lists.febo.com wrote:

Hi Paul,

Yes. I think the presentation on the web leaves a little more to desire,
so I will ask Ahmed to improve that, as I think it should not be too
difficult to achieve.

While many do not have PTP timing in their labs, it is becoming more and
more ubiquious so it is interesing when the entry level is so low. With
this little device you can do your normal TI-counter measurement even
for a PTP source. Exactly how much it filters, add noise and add time
bias, I do not know, yet.

I find it interesting that the PPS is such a common reference
measurement point, it keep showing up in packet timing solutions as a
reference point, including the ITU-T standards.

Cheers,
Magnus

On 2024-10-08 14:57, paul swed wrote:

Magnus that is amazing and it seems to be $29. That is hard to believe.
Appreciate you sharing.
Paul
WB8TSL

On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 1:24 AM Magnus Danielson via time-nuts
wrote:

Fellow time-nuts,

As my travels brings me to ISPCS conference and plugfest in Tokyo,
they
hand out these nifty little devices called the TimeStick.

https://www.time-stick.com/about-2

Really cool little device!

I thought you guys would enjoy learning about it.

Best Regards,
Magnus


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  It's unclear if this is a time source (i.e. you've got a grandmaster or such running PTP and sending time, and this widget receives it and puts out 1pps.  Or can it be a sender - I cobble up a bunch of stuff from my collection of masers and fountain clocks in my underground lair, and I can send that highly accurate tick to the rest of the (connected by cabled ethernet) world? beaks out 1pps is ambiguous On Wed, 9 Oct 2024 05:05:12 +0200, Magnus Danielson via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: Hi Paul, Yes. I think the presentation on the web leaves a little more to desire, so I will ask Ahmed to improve that, as I think it should not be too difficult to achieve. While many do not have PTP timing in their labs, it is becoming more and more ubiquious so it is interesing when the entry level is so low. With this little device you can do your normal TI-counter measurement even for a PTP source. Exactly how much it filters, add noise and add time bias, I do not know, yet. I find it interesting that the PPS is such a common reference measurement point, it keep showing up in packet timing solutions as a reference point, including the ITU-T standards. Cheers, Magnus On 2024-10-08 14:57, paul swed wrote: > Magnus that is amazing and it seems to be $29. That is hard to believe. > Appreciate you sharing. > Paul > WB8TSL > > On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 1:24 AM Magnus Danielson via time-nuts > wrote: > > Fellow time-nuts, > > As my travels brings me to ISPCS conference and plugfest in Tokyo, > they > hand out these nifty little devices called the TimeStick. > > https://www.time-stick.com/about-2 > > Really cool little device! > > I thought you guys would enjoy learning about it. > > Best Regards, > Magnus > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com > _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com  
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Steven Sommars
Fri, Oct 11, 2024 1:47 AM

Won't the USB between the host and the Ethernet side of the TimeStick limit
accuracy to a few microseconds at best?

If the goal is to distribute accurate PPS won't boundary clocks be needed?

The TimeStick will be great for experimenters, though.

On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 7:26 PM Jim Lux via time-nuts <
time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote:

It's unclear if this is a time source (i.e. you've got a grandmaster or
such running PTP and sending time, and this widget receives it and puts out
1pps.  Or can it be a sender - I cobble up a bunch of stuff from my
collection of masers and fountain clocks in my underground lair, and I can
send that highly accurate tick to the rest of the (connected by cabled
ethernet) world?

beaks out 1pps is ambiguous

On Wed, 9 Oct 2024 05:05:12 +0200, Magnus Danielson via time-nuts <
time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote:

Hi Paul,

Yes. I think the presentation on the web leaves a little more to desire,
so I will ask Ahmed to improve that, as I think it should not be too
difficult to achieve.

While many do not have PTP timing in their labs, it is becoming more and
more ubiquious so it is interesing when the entry level is so low. With
this little device you can do your normal TI-counter measurement even
for a PTP source. Exactly how much it filters, add noise and add time
bias, I do not know, yet.

I find it interesting that the PPS is such a common reference
measurement point, it keep showing up in packet timing solutions as a
reference point, including the ITU-T standards.

Cheers,
Magnus

On 2024-10-08 14:57, paul swed wrote:

Magnus that is amazing and it seems to be $29. That is hard to believe.
Appreciate you sharing.
Paul
WB8TSL

On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 1:24 AM Magnus Danielson via time-nuts
wrote:

Fellow time-nuts,

As my travels brings me to ISPCS conference and plugfest in Tokyo,
they
hand out these nifty little devices called the TimeStick.

https://www.time-stick.com/about-2

Really cool little device!

I thought you guys would enjoy learning about it.

Best Regards,
Magnus


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Won't the USB between the host and the Ethernet side of the TimeStick limit accuracy to a few microseconds at best? If the goal is to distribute accurate PPS won't boundary clocks be needed? The TimeStick will be great for experimenters, though. On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 7:26 PM Jim Lux via time-nuts < time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > > > > > It's unclear if this is a time source (i.e. you've got a grandmaster or > such running PTP and sending time, and this widget receives it and puts out > 1pps. Or can it be a sender - I cobble up a bunch of stuff from my > collection of masers and fountain clocks in my underground lair, and I can > send that highly accurate tick to the rest of the (connected by cabled > ethernet) world? > > beaks out 1pps is ambiguous > > > On Wed, 9 Oct 2024 05:05:12 +0200, Magnus Danielson via time-nuts < > time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > Hi Paul, > > Yes. I think the presentation on the web leaves a little more to desire, > so I will ask Ahmed to improve that, as I think it should not be too > difficult to achieve. > > While many do not have PTP timing in their labs, it is becoming more and > more ubiquious so it is interesing when the entry level is so low. With > this little device you can do your normal TI-counter measurement even > for a PTP source. Exactly how much it filters, add noise and add time > bias, I do not know, yet. > > I find it interesting that the PPS is such a common reference > measurement point, it keep showing up in packet timing solutions as a > reference point, including the ITU-T standards. > > Cheers, > Magnus > > On 2024-10-08 14:57, paul swed wrote: > > Magnus that is amazing and it seems to be $29. That is hard to believe. > > Appreciate you sharing. > > Paul > > WB8TSL > > > > On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 1:24 AM Magnus Danielson via time-nuts > > wrote: > > > > Fellow time-nuts, > > > > As my travels brings me to ISPCS conference and plugfest in Tokyo, > > they > > hand out these nifty little devices called the TimeStick. > > > > https://www.time-stick.com/about-2 > > > > Really cool little device! > > > > I thought you guys would enjoy learning about it. > > > > Best Regards, > > Magnus > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com
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Ed Marciniak
Fri, Oct 11, 2024 5:14 AM

It seems to me that the raspberry pi compute module 4 uses an Ethernet chip that supports PTP and that the carrier board broke out one pin and you could choose input or output.

If this module doesn’t support an input pin for PTP, there are other options.


From: Steven Sommars via time-nuts time-nuts@lists.febo.com
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2024 8:47:33 PM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@lists.febo.com
Cc: Steven Sommars stevesommarsntp@gmail.com
Subject: [time-nuts] Re: TimeStick

Won't the USB between the host and the Ethernet side of the TimeStick limit
accuracy to a few microseconds at best?

If the goal is to distribute accurate PPS won't boundary clocks be needed?

The TimeStick will be great for experimenters, though.

On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 7:26 PM Jim Lux via time-nuts <
time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote:

It's unclear if this is a time source (i.e. you've got a grandmaster or
such running PTP and sending time, and this widget receives it and puts out
1pps.  Or can it be a sender - I cobble up a bunch of stuff from my
collection of masers and fountain clocks in my underground lair, and I can
send that highly accurate tick to the rest of the (connected by cabled
ethernet) world?

beaks out 1pps is ambiguous

On Wed, 9 Oct 2024 05:05:12 +0200, Magnus Danielson via time-nuts <
time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote:

Hi Paul,

Yes. I think the presentation on the web leaves a little more to desire,
so I will ask Ahmed to improve that, as I think it should not be too
difficult to achieve.

While many do not have PTP timing in their labs, it is becoming more and
more ubiquious so it is interesing when the entry level is so low. With
this little device you can do your normal TI-counter measurement even
for a PTP source. Exactly how much it filters, add noise and add time
bias, I do not know, yet.

I find it interesting that the PPS is such a common reference
measurement point, it keep showing up in packet timing solutions as a
reference point, including the ITU-T standards.

Cheers,
Magnus

On 2024-10-08 14:57, paul swed wrote:

Magnus that is amazing and it seems to be $29. That is hard to believe.
Appreciate you sharing.
Paul
WB8TSL

On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 1:24 AM Magnus Danielson via time-nuts
wrote:

Fellow time-nuts,

As my travels brings me to ISPCS conference and plugfest in Tokyo,
they
hand out these nifty little devices called the TimeStick.

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.time-2Dstick.com_about-2D2&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=JsDsKeR7cZC8wbZhIlxxBQ&m=MGoKVEoKMI-KU9FLZdk71mlWndKDNvYEN3asqXn8L3I240Y7lTAtNTmOvT3zDHna&s=99K2hSXfLSCZ1ys5l5cgYsOpr4LZVrQgHKgMLYWwWI8&e=

Really cool little device!

I thought you guys would enjoy learning about it.

Best Regards,
Magnus


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It seems to me that the raspberry pi compute module 4 uses an Ethernet chip that supports PTP and that the carrier board broke out one pin and you could choose input or output. If this module doesn’t support an input pin for PTP, there are other options. ________________________________ From: Steven Sommars via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2024 8:47:33 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> Cc: Steven Sommars <stevesommarsntp@gmail.com> Subject: [time-nuts] Re: TimeStick Won't the USB between the host and the Ethernet side of the TimeStick limit accuracy to a few microseconds at best? If the goal is to distribute accurate PPS won't boundary clocks be needed? The TimeStick will be great for experimenters, though. On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 7:26 PM Jim Lux via time-nuts < time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > > > > > It's unclear if this is a time source (i.e. you've got a grandmaster or > such running PTP and sending time, and this widget receives it and puts out > 1pps. Or can it be a sender - I cobble up a bunch of stuff from my > collection of masers and fountain clocks in my underground lair, and I can > send that highly accurate tick to the rest of the (connected by cabled > ethernet) world? > > beaks out 1pps is ambiguous > > > On Wed, 9 Oct 2024 05:05:12 +0200, Magnus Danielson via time-nuts < > time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > Hi Paul, > > Yes. I think the presentation on the web leaves a little more to desire, > so I will ask Ahmed to improve that, as I think it should not be too > difficult to achieve. > > While many do not have PTP timing in their labs, it is becoming more and > more ubiquious so it is interesing when the entry level is so low. With > this little device you can do your normal TI-counter measurement even > for a PTP source. Exactly how much it filters, add noise and add time > bias, I do not know, yet. > > I find it interesting that the PPS is such a common reference > measurement point, it keep showing up in packet timing solutions as a > reference point, including the ITU-T standards. > > Cheers, > Magnus > > On 2024-10-08 14:57, paul swed wrote: > > Magnus that is amazing and it seems to be $29. That is hard to believe. > > Appreciate you sharing. > > Paul > > WB8TSL > > > > On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 1:24 AM Magnus Danielson via time-nuts > > wrote: > > > > Fellow time-nuts, > > > > As my travels brings me to ISPCS conference and plugfest in Tokyo, > > they > > hand out these nifty little devices called the TimeStick. > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.time-2Dstick.com_about-2D2&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=JsDsKeR7cZC8wbZhIlxxBQ&m=MGoKVEoKMI-KU9FLZdk71mlWndKDNvYEN3asqXn8L3I240Y7lTAtNTmOvT3zDHna&s=99K2hSXfLSCZ1ys5l5cgYsOpr4LZVrQgHKgMLYWwWI8&e= > > > > Really cool little device! > > > > I thought you guys would enjoy learning about it. > > > > Best Regards, > > Magnus > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com
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Azelio Boriani
Fri, Oct 11, 2024 7:53 AM

...and the ASIX website disappeared on Wednesday at 9 (CEST)...

On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 7:23 AM Ed Marciniak via time-nuts <
time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote:

It seems to me that the raspberry pi compute module 4 uses an Ethernet
chip that supports PTP and that the carrier board broke out one pin and you
could choose input or output.

If this module doesn’t support an input pin for PTP, there are other
options.


From: Steven Sommars via time-nuts time-nuts@lists.febo.com
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2024 8:47:33 PM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement <
time-nuts@lists.febo.com>
Cc: Steven Sommars stevesommarsntp@gmail.com
Subject: [time-nuts] Re: TimeStick

Won't the USB between the host and the Ethernet side of the TimeStick limit
accuracy to a few microseconds at best?

If the goal is to distribute accurate PPS won't boundary clocks be needed?

The TimeStick will be great for experimenters, though.

On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 7:26 PM Jim Lux via time-nuts <
time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote:

It's unclear if this is a time source (i.e. you've got a grandmaster or
such running PTP and sending time, and this widget receives it and puts

out

1pps.  Or can it be a sender - I cobble up a bunch of stuff from my
collection of masers and fountain clocks in my underground lair, and I

can

send that highly accurate tick to the rest of the (connected by cabled
ethernet) world?

beaks out 1pps is ambiguous

On Wed, 9 Oct 2024 05:05:12 +0200, Magnus Danielson via time-nuts <
time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote:

Hi Paul,

Yes. I think the presentation on the web leaves a little more to desire,
so I will ask Ahmed to improve that, as I think it should not be too
difficult to achieve.

While many do not have PTP timing in their labs, it is becoming more and
more ubiquious so it is interesing when the entry level is so low. With
this little device you can do your normal TI-counter measurement even
for a PTP source. Exactly how much it filters, add noise and add time
bias, I do not know, yet.

I find it interesting that the PPS is such a common reference
measurement point, it keep showing up in packet timing solutions as a
reference point, including the ITU-T standards.

Cheers,
Magnus

On 2024-10-08 14:57, paul swed wrote:

Magnus that is amazing and it seems to be $29. That is hard to believe.
Appreciate you sharing.
Paul
WB8TSL

On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 1:24 AM Magnus Danielson via time-nuts
wrote:

Fellow time-nuts,

As my travels brings me to ISPCS conference and plugfest in Tokyo,
they
hand out these nifty little devices called the TimeStick.

Really cool little device!

I thought you guys would enjoy learning about it.

Best Regards,
Magnus


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...and the ASIX website disappeared on Wednesday at 9 (CEST)... On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 7:23 AM Ed Marciniak via time-nuts < time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > It seems to me that the raspberry pi compute module 4 uses an Ethernet > chip that supports PTP and that the carrier board broke out one pin and you > could choose input or output. > > If this module doesn’t support an input pin for PTP, there are other > options. > ________________________________ > From: Steven Sommars via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2024 8:47:33 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement < > time-nuts@lists.febo.com> > Cc: Steven Sommars <stevesommarsntp@gmail.com> > Subject: [time-nuts] Re: TimeStick > > Won't the USB between the host and the Ethernet side of the TimeStick limit > accuracy to a few microseconds at best? > > If the goal is to distribute accurate PPS won't boundary clocks be needed? > > The TimeStick will be great for experimenters, though. > > > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 7:26 PM Jim Lux via time-nuts < > time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's unclear if this is a time source (i.e. you've got a grandmaster or > > such running PTP and sending time, and this widget receives it and puts > out > > 1pps. Or can it be a sender - I cobble up a bunch of stuff from my > > collection of masers and fountain clocks in my underground lair, and I > can > > send that highly accurate tick to the rest of the (connected by cabled > > ethernet) world? > > > > beaks out 1pps is ambiguous > > > > > > On Wed, 9 Oct 2024 05:05:12 +0200, Magnus Danielson via time-nuts < > > time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > > > Hi Paul, > > > > Yes. I think the presentation on the web leaves a little more to desire, > > so I will ask Ahmed to improve that, as I think it should not be too > > difficult to achieve. > > > > While many do not have PTP timing in their labs, it is becoming more and > > more ubiquious so it is interesing when the entry level is so low. With > > this little device you can do your normal TI-counter measurement even > > for a PTP source. Exactly how much it filters, add noise and add time > > bias, I do not know, yet. > > > > I find it interesting that the PPS is such a common reference > > measurement point, it keep showing up in packet timing solutions as a > > reference point, including the ITU-T standards. > > > > Cheers, > > Magnus > > > > On 2024-10-08 14:57, paul swed wrote: > > > Magnus that is amazing and it seems to be $29. That is hard to believe. > > > Appreciate you sharing. > > > Paul > > > WB8TSL > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 1:24 AM Magnus Danielson via time-nuts > > > wrote: > > > > > > Fellow time-nuts, > > > > > > As my travels brings me to ISPCS conference and plugfest in Tokyo, > > > they > > > hand out these nifty little devices called the TimeStick. > > > > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.time-2Dstick.com_about-2D2&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=JsDsKeR7cZC8wbZhIlxxBQ&m=MGoKVEoKMI-KU9FLZdk71mlWndKDNvYEN3asqXn8L3I240Y7lTAtNTmOvT3zDHna&s=99K2hSXfLSCZ1ys5l5cgYsOpr4LZVrQgHKgMLYWwWI8&e= > > > > > > Really cool little device! > > > > > > I thought you guys would enjoy learning about it. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > Magnus > > > _______________________________________________ > > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > > > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com
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Jim Lux
Mon, Oct 14, 2024 4:50 PM

I found the schematic out there.  it's a 1pps output.

On Thu, 10 Oct 2024 20:01:02 -0400, Jim Lux via time-nuts time-nuts@lists.febo.com wrote:

 
It's unclear if this is a time source (i.e. you've got a grandmaster or such running PTP and sending time, and this widget receives it and puts out 1pps.  Or can it be a sender - I cobble up a bunch of stuff from my collection of masers and fountain clocks in my underground lair, and I can send that highly accurate tick to the rest of the (connected by cabled ethernet) world?

beaks out 1pps is ambiguous

On Wed, 9 Oct 2024 05:05:12 +0200, Magnus Danielson via time-nuts  wrote:

Hi Paul,

Yes. I think the presentation on the web leaves a little more to desire,
so I will ask Ahmed to improve that, as I think it should not be too
difficult to achieve.

While many do not have PTP timing in their labs, it is becoming more and
more ubiquious so it is interesing when the entry level is so low. With
this little device you can do your normal TI-counter measurement even
for a PTP source. Exactly how much it filters, add noise and add time
bias, I do not know, yet.

I find it interesting that the PPS is such a common reference
measurement point, it keep showing up in packet timing solutions as a
reference point, including the ITU-T standards.

Cheers,
Magnus

On 2024-10-08 14:57, paul swed wrote:

Magnus that is amazing and it seems to be $29. That is hard to believe.
Appreciate you sharing.
Paul
WB8TSL

On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 1:24 AM Magnus Danielson via time-nuts
wrote:

Fellow time-nuts,

As my travels brings me to ISPCS conference and plugfest in Tokyo,
they
hand out these nifty little devices called the TimeStick.

https://www.time-stick.com/about-2

Really cool little device!

I thought you guys would enjoy learning about it.

Best Regards,
Magnus


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I found the schematic out there.  it's a 1pps output. On Thu, 10 Oct 2024 20:01:02 -0400, Jim Lux via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote:   It's unclear if this is a time source (i.e. you've got a grandmaster or such running PTP and sending time, and this widget receives it and puts out 1pps.  Or can it be a sender - I cobble up a bunch of stuff from my collection of masers and fountain clocks in my underground lair, and I can send that highly accurate tick to the rest of the (connected by cabled ethernet) world? beaks out 1pps is ambiguous On Wed, 9 Oct 2024 05:05:12 +0200, Magnus Danielson via time-nuts wrote: Hi Paul, Yes. I think the presentation on the web leaves a little more to desire, so I will ask Ahmed to improve that, as I think it should not be too difficult to achieve. While many do not have PTP timing in their labs, it is becoming more and more ubiquious so it is interesing when the entry level is so low. With this little device you can do your normal TI-counter measurement even for a PTP source. Exactly how much it filters, add noise and add time bias, I do not know, yet. I find it interesting that the PPS is such a common reference measurement point, it keep showing up in packet timing solutions as a reference point, including the ITU-T standards. Cheers, Magnus On 2024-10-08 14:57, paul swed wrote: > Magnus that is amazing and it seems to be $29. That is hard to believe. > Appreciate you sharing. > Paul > WB8TSL > > On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 1:24 AM Magnus Danielson via time-nuts > wrote: > > Fellow time-nuts, > > As my travels brings me to ISPCS conference and plugfest in Tokyo, > they > hand out these nifty little devices called the TimeStick. > > https://www.time-stick.com/about-2 > > Really cool little device! > > I thought you guys would enjoy learning about it. > > Best Regards, > Magnus > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com > _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com   _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com