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small multi-timezone display

LJ
Lux, Jim
Fri, Jan 8, 2021 3:35 AM

I've got a shelf about 80cm long that I'd like to have 4 timezones
displayed on.

The obvious easy solution is go buy 4 clocks and put them there.

But, being a member of this list - anyone know of a off the shelf
multizone display that accepts NTP or receives WWVB?

Because, after all, if I glance up and want to know what time it is in
DC, I want it accurate to microseconds.

(My wife keeps setting other clocks in the house fast for one reason or
another. Or they just drift.)

Maybe a $100-200 budget here.

(Not interested in building something unless it's really easy..
remember, the competition is going and buying 4 clocks from CVS)

I've got a shelf about 80cm long that I'd like to have 4 timezones displayed on. The obvious easy solution is go buy 4 clocks and put them there. But, being a member of this list - anyone know of a off the shelf multizone display that accepts NTP or receives WWVB? Because, after all, if I glance up and want to know what time it is in DC, I want it accurate to microseconds. (My wife keeps setting other clocks in the house fast for one reason or another. Or they just drift.) Maybe a $100-200 budget here. (Not interested in building something unless it's really easy.. remember, the competition is going and buying 4 clocks from CVS)
BK
Bob kb8tq
Fri, Jan 8, 2021 1:41 PM

Hi

On Jan 7, 2021, at 10:35 PM, Lux, Jim jim@luxfamily.com wrote:

I've got a shelf about 80cm long that I'd like to have 4 timezones displayed on.

The obvious easy solution is go buy 4 clocks and put them there.

But, being a member of this list - anyone know of a off the shelf multizone display that accepts NTP or receives WWVB?

Because, after all, if I glance up and want to know what time it is in DC, I want it accurate to microseconds.

(My wife keeps setting other clocks in the house fast for one reason or another. Or they just drift.)

There have been several posts over the years noting that the “typical” wrist watch or quartz clock runs fast.
Indeed back when we (Motorola) made them, the target frequency for the oscillators was just a bit high.
The idea being that if you are late getting somewhere and “it’s the clock’s fault”, you don’t buy another
one from the same company.

Bob

Maybe a $100-200 budget here.

(Not interested in building something unless it's really easy.. remember, the competition is going and buying 4 clocks from CVS)


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Hi > On Jan 7, 2021, at 10:35 PM, Lux, Jim <jim@luxfamily.com> wrote: > > I've got a shelf about 80cm long that I'd like to have 4 timezones displayed on. > > The obvious easy solution is go buy 4 clocks and put them there. > > But, being a member of this list - anyone know of a off the shelf multizone display that accepts NTP or receives WWVB? > > Because, after all, if I glance up and want to know what time it is in DC, I want it accurate to microseconds. > > > (My wife keeps setting other clocks in the house fast for one reason or another. Or they just drift.) There have been several posts over the years noting that the “typical” wrist watch or quartz clock runs fast. Indeed back when we (Motorola) made them, the target frequency for the oscillators was just a bit high. The idea being that if you are late getting somewhere and “it’s the clock’s fault”, you don’t buy another one from the same company. Bob > > Maybe a $100-200 budget here. > > (Not interested in building something unless it's really easy.. remember, the competition is going and buying 4 clocks from CVS) > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there.
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paul swed
Fri, Jan 8, 2021 2:15 PM

Jim a interesting request.
The 4 clocks are going to drive you a bit crazy. They will drift this way
and that and then there are all of the time changes. I actually use 4 X 14"
clocks off of the same clock drive so they stay in sync. Just hate drifting
second hands. Big advantage seriously low battery drain.
But that said I started thinking about an alternative recently. There is a
lot of cheap technology out there like chrome books and tablets. Then there
are numbers of clock apps also. It may make sense to just get a small
tablet and a nice application. That can reach out to a time server and can
set time zones...
Thats my 2 cents.
Let us know what you end up doing.
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL

On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 11:59 PM Lux, Jim jim@luxfamily.com wrote:

I've got a shelf about 80cm long that I'd like to have 4 timezones
displayed on.

The obvious easy solution is go buy 4 clocks and put them there.

But, being a member of this list - anyone know of a off the shelf
multizone display that accepts NTP or receives WWVB?

Because, after all, if I glance up and want to know what time it is in
DC, I want it accurate to microseconds.

(My wife keeps setting other clocks in the house fast for one reason or
another. Or they just drift.)

Maybe a $100-200 budget here.

(Not interested in building something unless it's really easy..
remember, the competition is going and buying 4 clocks from CVS)


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Jim a interesting request. The 4 clocks are going to drive you a bit crazy. They will drift this way and that and then there are all of the time changes. I actually use 4 X 14" clocks off of the same clock drive so they stay in sync. Just hate drifting second hands. Big advantage seriously low battery drain. But that said I started thinking about an alternative recently. There is a lot of cheap technology out there like chrome books and tablets. Then there are numbers of clock apps also. It may make sense to just get a small tablet and a nice application. That can reach out to a time server and can set time zones... Thats my 2 cents. Let us know what you end up doing. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 11:59 PM Lux, Jim <jim@luxfamily.com> wrote: > I've got a shelf about 80cm long that I'd like to have 4 timezones > displayed on. > > The obvious easy solution is go buy 4 clocks and put them there. > > But, being a member of this list - anyone know of a off the shelf > multizone display that accepts NTP or receives WWVB? > > Because, after all, if I glance up and want to know what time it is in > DC, I want it accurate to microseconds. > > > (My wife keeps setting other clocks in the house fast for one reason or > another. Or they just drift.) > > Maybe a $100-200 budget here. > > (Not interested in building something unless it's really easy.. > remember, the competition is going and buying 4 clocks from CVS) > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there. >
BK
Bob kb8tq
Fri, Jan 8, 2021 2:43 PM

Hi

If this becomes a DIY effort, there are a ton of add on displays out there
from a range of sources. Coming up with code to drive them can be any
where from drop dead easy to never get it going. My preference would be
to buy from somebody like Adafruit that likely also has drivers for them :)

Boxing up one or more displays should be fairly straightforward. Tying a
GPS module into an R-Pi or other simple “computer board” could be pretty
easy….

Yes, this has been a back burner project for a while ….

Bob

On Jan 8, 2021, at 9:15 AM, paul swed paulswedb@gmail.com wrote:

Jim a interesting request.
The 4 clocks are going to drive you a bit crazy. They will drift this way
and that and then there are all of the time changes. I actually use 4 X 14"
clocks off of the same clock drive so they stay in sync. Just hate drifting
second hands. Big advantage seriously low battery drain.
But that said I started thinking about an alternative recently. There is a
lot of cheap technology out there like chrome books and tablets. Then there
are numbers of clock apps also. It may make sense to just get a small
tablet and a nice application. That can reach out to a time server and can
set time zones...
Thats my 2 cents.
Let us know what you end up doing.
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL

On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 11:59 PM Lux, Jim jim@luxfamily.com wrote:

I've got a shelf about 80cm long that I'd like to have 4 timezones
displayed on.

The obvious easy solution is go buy 4 clocks and put them there.

But, being a member of this list - anyone know of a off the shelf
multizone display that accepts NTP or receives WWVB?

Because, after all, if I glance up and want to know what time it is in
DC, I want it accurate to microseconds.

(My wife keeps setting other clocks in the house fast for one reason or
another. Or they just drift.)

Maybe a $100-200 budget here.

(Not interested in building something unless it's really easy..
remember, the competition is going and buying 4 clocks from CVS)


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Hi If this becomes a DIY effort, there are a *ton* of add on displays out there from a range of sources. Coming up with code to drive them can be any where from drop dead easy to never get it going. My preference would be to buy from somebody like Adafruit that likely also has drivers for them :) Boxing up one or more displays should be fairly straightforward. Tying a GPS module into an R-Pi or other simple “computer board” could be pretty easy…. Yes, this has been a back burner project for a while …. Bob > On Jan 8, 2021, at 9:15 AM, paul swed <paulswedb@gmail.com> wrote: > > Jim a interesting request. > The 4 clocks are going to drive you a bit crazy. They will drift this way > and that and then there are all of the time changes. I actually use 4 X 14" > clocks off of the same clock drive so they stay in sync. Just hate drifting > second hands. Big advantage seriously low battery drain. > But that said I started thinking about an alternative recently. There is a > lot of cheap technology out there like chrome books and tablets. Then there > are numbers of clock apps also. It may make sense to just get a small > tablet and a nice application. That can reach out to a time server and can > set time zones... > Thats my 2 cents. > Let us know what you end up doing. > Regards > Paul > WB8TSL > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 11:59 PM Lux, Jim <jim@luxfamily.com> wrote: > >> I've got a shelf about 80cm long that I'd like to have 4 timezones >> displayed on. >> >> The obvious easy solution is go buy 4 clocks and put them there. >> >> But, being a member of this list - anyone know of a off the shelf >> multizone display that accepts NTP or receives WWVB? >> >> Because, after all, if I glance up and want to know what time it is in >> DC, I want it accurate to microseconds. >> >> >> (My wife keeps setting other clocks in the house fast for one reason or >> another. Or they just drift.) >> >> Maybe a $100-200 budget here. >> >> (Not interested in building something unless it's really easy.. >> remember, the competition is going and buying 4 clocks from CVS) >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com >> and follow the instructions there. >> > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there.
RL
Robert LaJeunesse
Fri, Jan 8, 2021 3:46 PM

If I had to solve this I'd consider a cheap (~$53 US, delivered) 7" Android tablet:
https://www.banggood.com/512MB8GB-Allwinner-A33-Cortex-A7-Quad-Core-7-Inch-Android-4_4-Kids-Tablet-p-1636039.html?cur_warehouse=CN&ID=224&rmmds=search

Paired with an app like this:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=tm.app.worldClock&hl=en

No, I'm not sure the tablet does NTP, but it does have WiFi and could prove close enough. You might find it self-setting while shelf setting.

Bob L.

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2021 at 10:35 PM
From: "Lux, Jim" jim@luxfamily.com
To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" time-nuts@lists.febo.com
Subject: [time-nuts] small multi-timezone display

I've got a shelf about 80cm long that I'd like to have 4 timezones
displayed on.

The obvious easy solution is go buy 4 clocks and put them there.

But, being a member of this list - anyone know of a off the shelf
multizone display that accepts NTP or receives WWVB?

Because, after all, if I glance up and want to know what time it is in
DC, I want it accurate to microseconds.

(My wife keeps setting other clocks in the house fast for one reason or
another. Or they just drift.)

Maybe a $100-200 budget here.

(Not interested in building something unless it's really easy..
remember, the competition is going and buying 4 clocks from CVS)

If I had to solve this I'd consider a cheap (~$53 US, delivered) 7" Android tablet: https://www.banggood.com/512MB8GB-Allwinner-A33-Cortex-A7-Quad-Core-7-Inch-Android-4_4-Kids-Tablet-p-1636039.html?cur_warehouse=CN&ID=224&rmmds=search Paired with an app like this: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=tm.app.worldClock&hl=en No, I'm not sure the tablet does NTP, but it does have WiFi and could prove close enough. You might find it self-setting while shelf setting. Bob L. > Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2021 at 10:35 PM > From: "Lux, Jim" <jim@luxfamily.com> > To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> > Subject: [time-nuts] small multi-timezone display > > I've got a shelf about 80cm long that I'd like to have 4 timezones > displayed on. > > The obvious easy solution is go buy 4 clocks and put them there. > > But, being a member of this list - anyone know of a off the shelf > multizone display that accepts NTP or receives WWVB? > > Because, after all, if I glance up and want to know what time it is in > DC, I want it accurate to microseconds. > > > (My wife keeps setting other clocks in the house fast for one reason or > another. Or they just drift.) > > Maybe a $100-200 budget here. > > (Not interested in building something unless it's really easy.. > remember, the competition is going and buying 4 clocks from CVS) >
AK
Adam Kumiszcza
Fri, Jan 8, 2021 4:20 PM

I had an old iphone sitting on my desk all the time showing the clock using
https://apps.apple.com/app/atomic-clock-gorgy-timing/id295302256 (Gorgy
Timing app). It was using my local wifi and using SNTP to connect to my
local GPS NTP server.

It worked great for a year or more, until one day I noticed a bump on the
iphone's case. It turned out the battery got swollen by constant use (it
was connected to a charger all the time). So it can get dangerous!

I guess more modern phones and tablets could do it better (trying to keep
optimal charge all the time, sometimes I even see a message that my iphone
won't charge now because my normal behaviour shows it won't be needed until
6AM, so it will charge later…). Also maybe using the smallest possible
current or setting some time switch for the charger will help, but I guess
most smartphones or tablets are not really prepared to work non stop.

Adam

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 4:56 PM Robert LaJeunesse lajeunesse@mail.com
wrote:

If I had to solve this I'd consider a cheap (~$53 US, delivered) 7"
Android tablet:

https://www.banggood.com/512MB8GB-Allwinner-A33-Cortex-A7-Quad-Core-7-Inch-Android-4_4-Kids-Tablet-p-1636039.html?cur_warehouse=CN&ID=224&rmmds=search

Paired with an app like this:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=tm.app.worldClock&hl=en

No, I'm not sure the tablet does NTP, but it does have WiFi and could
prove close enough. You might find it self-setting while shelf setting.

Bob L.

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2021 at 10:35 PM
From: "Lux, Jim" jim@luxfamily.com
To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" <

Subject: [time-nuts] small multi-timezone display

I've got a shelf about 80cm long that I'd like to have 4 timezones
displayed on.

The obvious easy solution is go buy 4 clocks and put them there.

But, being a member of this list - anyone know of a off the shelf
multizone display that accepts NTP or receives WWVB?

Because, after all, if I glance up and want to know what time it is in
DC, I want it accurate to microseconds.

(My wife keeps setting other clocks in the house fast for one reason or
another. Or they just drift.)

Maybe a $100-200 budget here.

(Not interested in building something unless it's really easy..
remember, the competition is going and buying 4 clocks from CVS)


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I had an old iphone sitting on my desk all the time showing the clock using https://apps.apple.com/app/atomic-clock-gorgy-timing/id295302256 (Gorgy Timing app). It was using my local wifi and using SNTP to connect to my local GPS NTP server. It worked great for a year or more, until one day I noticed a bump on the iphone's case. It turned out the battery got swollen by constant use (it was connected to a charger all the time). So it can get dangerous! I guess more modern phones and tablets could do it better (trying to keep optimal charge all the time, sometimes I even see a message that my iphone won't charge now because my normal behaviour shows it won't be needed until 6AM, so it will charge later…). Also maybe using the smallest possible current or setting some time switch for the charger will help, but I guess most smartphones or tablets are not really prepared to work non stop. Adam On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 4:56 PM Robert LaJeunesse <lajeunesse@mail.com> wrote: > If I had to solve this I'd consider a cheap (~$53 US, delivered) 7" > Android tablet: > > https://www.banggood.com/512MB8GB-Allwinner-A33-Cortex-A7-Quad-Core-7-Inch-Android-4_4-Kids-Tablet-p-1636039.html?cur_warehouse=CN&ID=224&rmmds=search > > Paired with an app like this: > https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=tm.app.worldClock&hl=en > > No, I'm not sure the tablet does NTP, but it does have WiFi and could > prove close enough. You might find it self-setting while shelf setting. > > Bob L. > > > Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2021 at 10:35 PM > > From: "Lux, Jim" <jim@luxfamily.com> > > To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" < > time-nuts@lists.febo.com> > > Subject: [time-nuts] small multi-timezone display > > > > I've got a shelf about 80cm long that I'd like to have 4 timezones > > displayed on. > > > > The obvious easy solution is go buy 4 clocks and put them there. > > > > But, being a member of this list - anyone know of a off the shelf > > multizone display that accepts NTP or receives WWVB? > > > > Because, after all, if I glance up and want to know what time it is in > > DC, I want it accurate to microseconds. > > > > > > (My wife keeps setting other clocks in the house fast for one reason or > > another. Or they just drift.) > > > > Maybe a $100-200 budget here. > > > > (Not interested in building something unless it's really easy.. > > remember, the competition is going and buying 4 clocks from CVS) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there. >
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Oz-in-DFW
Fri, Jan 8, 2021 4:28 PM

On 1/7/2021 9:35 PM, Lux, Jim wrote:

I've got a shelf about 80cm long that I'd like to have 4 timezones
displayed on.

The obvious easy solution is go buy 4 clocks and put them there.

MFJ makes a dual time zone, radio-disciplined clock for the US amateur
radio market that might meet your need if you buy two and are in the US.
They list for $70 ea.

https://mfjenterprises.com/collections/clock/products/mfj-148rc
https://mfjenterprises.com/collections/clock/products/mfj-148rc

What's not entirely clear is whether one of the two clocks is hard coded
to UTC.  There is seemingly conflicting information on the catalog page.
Both sides of the display have US timezone icons. The sales video says
that you can select the timezone of both clocks.

While they normally have all their manuals on-line, the manual for this
clock is not.  It has an empty folder in their cumbersome manual
organization.

Oz (in DFW)

On 1/7/2021 9:35 PM, Lux, Jim wrote: > I've got a shelf about 80cm long that I'd like to have 4 timezones > displayed on. > > The obvious easy solution is go buy 4 clocks and put them there. MFJ makes a dual time zone, radio-disciplined clock for the US amateur radio market that might meet your need if you buy two and are in the US. They list for $70 ea. https://mfjenterprises.com/collections/clock/products/mfj-148rc <https://mfjenterprises.com/collections/clock/products/mfj-148rc> What's not entirely clear is whether one of the two clocks is hard coded to UTC.  There is seemingly conflicting information on the catalog page. Both sides of the display have US timezone icons. The sales video says that you can select the timezone of both clocks. While they normally have all their manuals on-line, the manual for this clock is not.  It has an empty folder in their cumbersome manual organization. Oz (in DFW)
DJ
Didier Juges
Sat, Jan 9, 2021 7:06 PM

Jim,
Not to sound greedy or anything, but if you have a Thunderbolt around, you
can use 4 of my kits and put them on different time zones :)
Didier KO4BB

On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 10:59 PM Lux, Jim jim@luxfamily.com wrote:

I've got a shelf about 80cm long that I'd like to have 4 timezones
displayed on.

The obvious easy solution is go buy 4 clocks and put them there.

But, being a member of this list - anyone know of a off the shelf
multizone display that accepts NTP or receives WWVB?

Because, after all, if I glance up and want to know what time it is in
DC, I want it accurate to microseconds.

(My wife keeps setting other clocks in the house fast for one reason or
another. Or they just drift.)

Maybe a $100-200 budget here.

(Not interested in building something unless it's really easy..
remember, the competition is going and buying 4 clocks from CVS)


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Jim, Not to sound greedy or anything, but if you have a Thunderbolt around, you can use 4 of my kits and put them on different time zones :) Didier KO4BB On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 10:59 PM Lux, Jim <jim@luxfamily.com> wrote: > I've got a shelf about 80cm long that I'd like to have 4 timezones > displayed on. > > The obvious easy solution is go buy 4 clocks and put them there. > > But, being a member of this list - anyone know of a off the shelf > multizone display that accepts NTP or receives WWVB? > > Because, after all, if I glance up and want to know what time it is in > DC, I want it accurate to microseconds. > > > (My wife keeps setting other clocks in the house fast for one reason or > another. Or they just drift.) > > Maybe a $100-200 budget here. > > (Not interested in building something unless it's really easy.. > remember, the competition is going and buying 4 clocks from CVS) > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there. >