What is the main reference time on the ISS? Is it a primary frequency standard? How is it updated? Ronald

On 5/26/21 4:45 PM, Ronald Held wrote: > What is the main reference time on the ISS? Is it a primary frequency > standard? How is it updated? > Others may weigh in with better info, but as of a few years ago, there wasn't anything like a "house 10 MHz" - most things were timed off the MIL-STD-1553B bus if they needed timing. There is Ethernet, but I don't know if there's an NTP server, or whether they've implemented anything like PTP.  For the most part, if you need good timing for your experiment, you fly your own reference (a GPSDO or a Rb or something). Typically, you don't even know where you are in 3D space that accurately - there's a Broadcast Ancillary Data (BAD) stream with XYZ and rates, but it's generated as a predict by Goddard's Flight Dynamics Facility.  For that matter, the entire structure (which is as large as a football stadium) flexes quite a bit (meters), so if you're looking for meter or nanosecond accuracy, you would need to ask "relative to where". https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/research/quick-start-guide https://www.nasa.gov/pdf/190373main_TP-2007-214768.pdf http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2014/ph240/clark1/docs/np-2010-09-682-hq.pdf

On 5/26/21 6:19 PM, Lux, Jim wrote: > On 5/26/21 4:45 PM, Ronald Held wrote: >> What is the main reference time on the ISS?  Is it a primary frequency >> standard? How is it updated? > > Others may weigh in with better info, but as of a few years ago, there > wasn't anything like a "house 10 MHz" - most things were timed off the > MIL-STD-1553B bus if they needed timing. There is Ethernet, but I > don't know if there's an NTP server, or whether they've implemented > anything like PTP.  For the most part, if you need good timing for > your experiment, you fly your own reference (a GPSDO or a Rb or > something). > > Typically, you don't even know where you are in 3D space that > accurately - there's a Broadcast Ancillary Data (BAD) stream with XYZ > and rates, but it's generated as a predict by Goddard's Flight > Dynamics Facility.  For that matter, the entire structure (which is as > large as a football stadium) flexes quite a bit (meters), so if you're > looking for meter or nanosecond accuracy, you would need to ask > "relative to where". > > https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/research/quick-start-guide > > > https://www.nasa.gov/pdf/190373main_TP-2007-214768.pdf > > http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2014/ph240/clark1/docs/np-2010-09-682-hq.pdf > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com -- To unsubscribe > send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to and follow the instructions there. > As a general thing, and as a time-nut, I am continually disappointed that space-flight folks don't pay enough attention to good timing on-board.  They're used to single spacecraft, a free running oscillator, and figuring it out on the ground. If we're ever to do multispacecraft autonomy away from earth, it's something that needs to be figured out. Todd Ely and the Deep Space Atomic Clock are doing a lot, but it's not common place yet, and Todd's got to do a lot of selling.