This debate goes on and on because there is a little truth on both sides. The perception is there because of contact with individual squadron members at boat shows and other public events. Certain members staff the booth with little regard for salesmanship or recruiting new members. They do it for a sense of duty or to see their friends. This is a problem with any volunteer organization. When our Squadron does its boat show (Michigan City IN) we need 4 days of coverage for the booth - basically, we enlist a large portion of the membership. Some can sell mini-skirts to the Taliban and others couldn't give away Flemming 55s. Next to the Squadron's booth are commercial operations with nice outgoing friendly salesman. Of course they make the Squadron members seem aloof. But the individual Squadrons are anything but. In a 100 member Squadron you will find good people who share your interest in boating and you are pleased to call friends. And God knows maybe your are not the supersalesman of the day and will appear aloof to the next stranger who asks for info. The next time you approach a Squadron member, remember he is just some guy out trying to do a little good, and he is likely not trained or skilled in dealing with the public. He may in fact be just like you. Marty Campanella Bay Pelican KK42