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GPS height ( was AIS pitfalls )

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Truelove39@aol.com
Tue, Jun 5, 2007 10:16 AM

Hi John -
You make some good  points; your statement copied below prompted me to think
about the GPS receiver  in the Furuno 1943 radar. It is DGPS-capable and so we
use it for AIS and  CE as well as the built-in ARPA.
My thoughts revolve  around the fact that the ARPA targets' headings often
vary wildly in a  seaway and especially at longer distances, although they do
settle down  closer in. I'm thinking that the height (24 feet) may be the cause.
Although I  haven't studied it, a glance at the menu tells me I can't defeat
the internal  GPS and source the data input for ARPA externally from a unit
mounted lower. I'm  curious why you say, "the dome for that is mounted high
above everything else  at about 38' elevation to make it work well," when
conventional wisdom is  to mount them as low as possible to avoid "swing."
Regards,
John
"Seahorse"

To your other point, for course input, we do have a GPS  compass

system... the dome for that is mounted high above everything  else at
about 38' elevation to make it work well. I understand it uses  3
GPS's all by itself. It broadcasts heading to all devices on our  NMEA
bus. It worked great coming up the Pacific coast from  Dana Point to
Victoria, BC,  even in large, steep head seas when we were pitching
like crazy. The  swing at 38' above the water must have been  dramatic.

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Hi John - You make some good points; your statement copied below prompted me to think about the GPS receiver in the Furuno 1943 radar. It is DGPS-capable and so we use it for AIS and CE as well as the built-in ARPA. My thoughts revolve around the fact that the ARPA targets' headings often vary wildly in a seaway and especially at longer distances, although they do settle down closer in. I'm thinking that the height (24 feet) may be the cause. Although I haven't studied it, a glance at the menu tells me I can't defeat the internal GPS and source the data input for ARPA externally from a unit mounted lower. I'm curious why you say, "the dome for that is mounted high above everything else at about 38' elevation to make it work well," when conventional wisdom is to mount them as low as possible to avoid "swing." Regards, John "Seahorse" > To your other point, for course input, we do have a GPS compass system... the dome for that is mounted high above everything else at about 38' elevation to make it work well. I understand it uses 3 GPS's all by itself. It broadcasts heading to all devices on our NMEA bus. It worked great coming up the Pacific coast from Dana Point to Victoria, BC, even in large, steep head seas when we were pitching like crazy. The swing at 38' above the water must have been dramatic. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
JF
John Ford
Tue, Jun 5, 2007 9:33 PM

Snip

I'm  curious why you say, "the dome for that is mounted high
above everything else  at about 38' elevation to make it work well,"
when
conventional wisdom is  to mount them as low as possible to avoid
"swing."

End Snip

What you say is correct, maybe he was trying overcome what I realize
as a shortcoming in my design.  When I was having my electronics
installed I attempted to have as much installed on my mast as
possible and as few holes as possible in my Pilot House.  Later is
when I realized that Furuno asked that the GPS Antennas not be in the
path of the radar I did a quick test looking at my signal strength.
With the radar on I would lose my connection to about two birds and
watch the signal strength drop on a couple of others.  Maybe if I can
find some gadgets to fill those holes later the Antenna's will be
moved to a more appropriate place.  :-)

John Ford
KK44 Feisty Lady
Annapolis City Marina

Snip I'm curious why you say, "the dome for that is mounted high above everything else at about 38' elevation to make it work well," when conventional wisdom is to mount them as low as possible to avoid "swing." End Snip What you say is correct, maybe he was trying overcome what I realize as a shortcoming in my design. When I was having my electronics installed I attempted to have as much installed on my mast as possible and as few holes as possible in my Pilot House. Later is when I realized that Furuno asked that the GPS Antennas not be in the path of the radar I did a quick test looking at my signal strength. With the radar on I would lose my connection to about two birds and watch the signal strength drop on a couple of others. Maybe if I can find some gadgets to fill those holes later the Antenna's will be moved to a more appropriate place. :-) John Ford KK44 Feisty Lady Annapolis City Marina
DB
Dan Blaner
Tue, Jun 5, 2007 11:56 PM

Mr. Ford,

May I suggest a FLIR as a nice gadget to fill a hole?

Regards,

Dan

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Subject: Re: [PUP] GPS height ( was AIS pitfalls )

Snip

I'm  curious why you say, "the dome for that is mounted high
above everything else  at about 38' elevation to make it work well,"
when
conventional wisdom is  to mount them as low as possible to avoid
"swing."

End Snip

What you say is correct, maybe he was trying overcome what I realize
as a shortcoming in my design.  When I was having my electronics
installed I attempted to have as much installed on my mast as
possible and as few holes as possible in my Pilot House.  Later is
when I realized that Furuno asked that the GPS Antennas not be in the
path of the radar I did a quick test looking at my signal strength.
With the radar on I would lose my connection to about two birds and
watch the signal strength drop on a couple of others.  Maybe if I can
find some gadgets to fill those holes later the Antenna's will be
moved to a more appropriate place.  :-)

John Ford
KK44 Feisty Lady
Annapolis City Marina


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Mr. Ford, May I suggest a FLIR as a nice gadget to fill a hole? Regards, Dan -----Original Message----- From: passagemaking-under-power-bounces@lists.samurai.com [mailto:passagemaking-under-power-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of John Ford Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 5:34 PM To: Passagemaking Under Power List Subject: Re: [PUP] GPS height ( was AIS pitfalls ) Snip I'm curious why you say, "the dome for that is mounted high above everything else at about 38' elevation to make it work well," when conventional wisdom is to mount them as low as possible to avoid "swing." End Snip What you say is correct, maybe he was trying overcome what I realize as a shortcoming in my design. When I was having my electronics installed I attempted to have as much installed on my mast as possible and as few holes as possible in my Pilot House. Later is when I realized that Furuno asked that the GPS Antennas not be in the path of the radar I did a quick test looking at my signal strength. With the radar on I would lose my connection to about two birds and watch the signal strength drop on a couple of others. Maybe if I can find some gadgets to fill those holes later the Antenna's will be moved to a more appropriate place. :-) John Ford KK44 Feisty Lady Annapolis City Marina _______________________________________________ http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power To unsubscribe send email to passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com with the word UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks of Water World Productions, formerly known as Trawler World Productions.