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TWL: Re: Cingular Service & Email

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Martin I Veiner
Tue, Jan 27, 2004 2:48 PM

I use a Nokia 6340i and have Cingular as a provider. A long as you are in
an area with a digital signal, you can access your ISP with this phone,
for no additional service fees or charges, in spite of the misinformation
and misadvice given out by Cingular representatives, including their tech
specialists.

You must have a Model DLR-3P data cable, and the right driver to install
the phone as a modem under Windows.

You must also have the Nokia PC Suite 4.75 User Guide, and software that
can be downloaded (free) from:
http://www.nokiausa.com/phones/software/6340i/
I strongly suggest that you print out this manual, all 49 pages, and read
it carefully as it will help you if you get misinformation from a
Cingular rep!

Another critical item is a setting in the Nokia 6340i. My Windows
environment must be turned on, or the phone will not work.

Finally, I cannot provide any data on the speed of transmission. It is
marginally faster than my previous Nokia 7160, but it is most likely
between 14K to 19K. Unfortunately, my notebook says the connection is
running at 115,000 but I know that is not true. However, speed is not
critical when downloading packets of email. Stay away from photos and
large graphics.

Martin Veiner
Marine Trader 44-555 -  "Micha"
Currently lying in St Marks, Florida


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I use a Nokia 6340i and have Cingular as a provider. A long as you are in an area with a digital signal, you can access your ISP with this phone, for no additional service fees or charges, in spite of the misinformation and misadvice given out by Cingular representatives, including their tech specialists. You must have a Model DLR-3P data cable, and the right driver to install the phone as a modem under Windows. You must also have the Nokia PC Suite 4.75 User Guide, and software that can be downloaded (free) from: http://www.nokiausa.com/phones/software/6340i/ I strongly suggest that you print out this manual, all 49 pages, and read it carefully as it will help you if you get misinformation from a Cingular rep! Another critical item is a setting in the Nokia 6340i. My Windows environment must be turned on, or the phone will not work. Finally, I cannot provide any data on the speed of transmission. It is marginally faster than my previous Nokia 7160, but it is most likely between 14K to 19K. Unfortunately, my notebook says the connection is running at 115,000 but I know that is not true. However, speed is not critical when downloading packets of email. Stay away from photos and large graphics. Martin Veiner Marine Trader 44-555 - "Micha" Currently lying in St Marks, Florida ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!
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bv
Wed, Jan 28, 2004 12:38 AM

I've seen many posts recently concerning e-mail and cell phone. I've been
conducting a few experiments around here, using different providers and
technologies. I thought you'd be interested by the results.

Various document have been sent and received via different providers, using
the same computer and system. Here is the average time it took for a 300 ko
file :
Cable modem : upload, 8 seconds, download : 2 seconds
Regular telephone line (56k modem) : upload, 2'35'', download : 1'25''
(minutes and seconds)

Now, wireless cell phone connected to laptop :
GSM cell phone : upload : 4'05'', download : 1'40''
CDMA cell phone : upload : 3'50'', download : 1'15''
AirCard Sierra wireless (1X), upload : 1'45", download : 40 sec.
1 X cell phone with cable : same as Aircard

Clearly, the 1X technology is the fastest wireless technology available
actually at a reasonable cost. It beats easily any regular telephone home
line. GSM and CDMA offer very stable possibilities, but slow, at about half
the speed of a regular tel line (56k modem). Btw, I noticed it was easier
and cheaper to "negociate" unlimited data access with GSM providers
(cheapest was 20$ a month unlimited with a 2-year contract).

Aircard 1x are expensive to buy but trustable (Macs and PC)

Wi-fi networks are fine, but hard to find outside of big cities. Their range
is usually a few hundred feet around the original signal. If you can "hack"
the signal, you can browse the web, but for e-mailing from your regular
address, you need the name of the SMTP server.

From now on, I'll use the Aircard555 while on the boat (1X technology), for

50$ a month, unlimited. No connection, just happy camper

Ben

I've seen many posts recently concerning e-mail and cell phone. I've been conducting a few experiments around here, using different providers and technologies. I thought you'd be interested by the results. Various document have been sent and received via different providers, using the same computer and system. Here is the average time it took for a 300 ko file : Cable modem : upload, 8 seconds, download : 2 seconds Regular telephone line (56k modem) : upload, 2'35'', download : 1'25'' (minutes and seconds) Now, wireless cell phone connected to laptop : GSM cell phone : upload : 4'05'', download : 1'40'' CDMA cell phone : upload : 3'50'', download : 1'15'' AirCard Sierra wireless (1X), upload : 1'45", download : 40 sec. 1 X cell phone with cable : same as Aircard Clearly, the 1X technology is the fastest wireless technology available actually at a reasonable cost. It beats easily any regular telephone home line. GSM and CDMA offer very stable possibilities, but slow, at about half the speed of a regular tel line (56k modem). Btw, I noticed it was easier and cheaper to "negociate" unlimited data access with GSM providers (cheapest was 20$ a month unlimited with a 2-year contract). Aircard 1x are expensive to buy but trustable (Macs and PC) Wi-fi networks are fine, but hard to find outside of big cities. Their range is usually a few hundred feet around the original signal. If you can "hack" the signal, you can browse the web, but for e-mailing from your regular address, you need the name of the SMTP server. >From now on, I'll use the Aircard555 while on the boat (1X technology), for 50$ a month, unlimited. No connection, just happy camper Ben
RC
R C Smith Jr
Wed, Jan 28, 2004 3:36 PM

All of Ben's comments are right on the mark IMHO, but just a practical
observation:

Email by CDMA cellphone is plenty fast enough for regular email. It helps to
set your program to only receive the smallest amount of each email...you can
decide later to DL a longer email (or one with an attachment).

Bob


Robert Calhoun Smith Jr
M/V MARY KATHRYN
Hatteras 58 LRC
Marathon in the Florida Keys

Sent using the Entourage X Test Drive.

All of Ben's comments are right on the mark IMHO, but just a practical observation: Email by CDMA cellphone is plenty fast enough for regular email. It helps to set your program to only receive the smallest amount of each email...you can decide later to DL a longer email (or one with an attachment). Bob ________________ Robert Calhoun Smith Jr M/V MARY KATHRYN Hatteras 58 LRC Marathon in the Florida Keys Sent using the Entourage X Test Drive.
BM
Bob Miller
Sat, Jan 31, 2004 8:14 PM

Ben -

Good posting, real world numbers are always better than brochure numbers.

RE: "hacking" wifi nets and SMTP (outgoing e-mail). I have noticed that more
and more WISPs are not providing SMTP servers and that some ISPs (like
Earthlink) don't accept e-mail from computers not directly connected to
their service. All of this is help block spam.

Since I use a SMTP-based e-mail service, I have started to use an
internet-based service (like Hotmail or MSN) when I travel. If I found that
my mail is not going out, I change the Accounts field in Outlook to use my
Hotmail account. Then things work smoothly.

Bob Miller
Anacortes, WA

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:trawler-world-list-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of bv
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 4:39 PM
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Subject: TWL: Email via cell phone

I've seen many posts recently concerning e-mail and cell phone. I've been
conducting a few experiments around here, using different providers and
technologies. I thought you'd be interested by the results.
<snip>

Ben - Good posting, real world numbers are always better than brochure numbers. RE: "hacking" wifi nets and SMTP (outgoing e-mail). I have noticed that more and more WISPs are not providing SMTP servers and that some ISPs (like Earthlink) don't accept e-mail from computers not directly connected to their service. All of this is help block spam. Since I use a SMTP-based e-mail service, I have started to use an internet-based service (like Hotmail or MSN) when I travel. If I found that my mail is not going out, I change the Accounts field in Outlook to use my Hotmail account. Then things work smoothly. Bob Miller Anacortes, WA -----Original Message----- From: trawler-world-list-bounces@lists.samurai.com [mailto:trawler-world-list-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of bv Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 4:39 PM To: Trawler World List Subject: TWL: Email via cell phone I've seen many posts recently concerning e-mail and cell phone. I've been conducting a few experiments around here, using different providers and technologies. I thought you'd be interested by the results. <snip>
JB
Jim Barrentine
Sat, Jan 31, 2004 11:33 PM

At 03:14 PM 01/31/2004, you wrote:

Ben -

Good posting, real world numbers are always better than brochure numbers.

RE: "hacking" wifi nets and SMTP (outgoing e-mail). I have noticed that more
and more WISPs are not providing SMTP servers and that some ISPs (like
Earthlink) don't accept e-mail from computers not directly connected to
their service. All of this is help block spam.

Not true for Earthlink.  They have an authenticated SMTP server
(smtpauth.earthlink.net) that, given an proper Earthlink login, will send
email no matter what the connection.  I am using it to send this posting
from an Adelphia cable modem connection and I regularly use it to send
email from my Verizon National Access wireless account.

James K. Barrentine
Information Partners, Inc.
Technology & Management Solutions for Libraries
11470 Euclid Avenue, #404
Cleveland, OH  44106-3926
216-371-2415 (voice)
216-932-4980 (fax)
mailto:jkb@ix.netcom.comjkb@ix.netcom.com

At 03:14 PM 01/31/2004, you wrote: >Ben - > >Good posting, real world numbers are always better than brochure numbers. > >RE: "hacking" wifi nets and SMTP (outgoing e-mail). I have noticed that more >and more WISPs are not providing SMTP servers and that some ISPs (like >Earthlink) don't accept e-mail from computers not directly connected to >their service. All of this is help block spam. Not true for Earthlink. They have an authenticated SMTP server (smtpauth.earthlink.net) that, given an proper Earthlink login, will send email no matter what the connection. I am using it to send this posting from an Adelphia cable modem connection and I regularly use it to send email from my Verizon National Access wireless account. James K. Barrentine Information Partners, Inc. Technology & Management Solutions for Libraries 11470 Euclid Avenue, #404 Cleveland, OH 44106-3926 216-371-2415 (voice) 216-932-4980 (fax) <mailto:jkb@ix.netcom.com>jkb@ix.netcom.com
MC
Mike Cowan
Sun, Feb 1, 2004 9:14 AM

Bob,

All decent ISPs are not allowing relay off their mail servers, Earthlink
has gone a step further, to much IMHO, by not allowing mail traffic on
their network if it not destined to their own mail servers.  Most ISPs do
support smtp auth however.  When you log into your POP account the mail
server (if your client is configured correctly) will capture your source
address and create a dynamic, temporary rule and will accept your message
from any IP you happen to be using.  Call your ISP and see if they support
smtp auth.

Mike Cowan

At 03:14 PM 1/31/2004, Bob Miller wrote:

Ben -

Good posting, real world numbers are always better than brochure numbers.

RE: "hacking" wifi nets and SMTP (outgoing e-mail). I have noticed that more
and more WISPs are not providing SMTP servers and that some ISPs (like
Earthlink) don't accept e-mail from computers not directly connected to
their service. All of this is help block spam.

Since I use a SMTP-based e-mail service, I have started to use an
internet-based service (like Hotmail or MSN) when I travel. If I found that
my mail is not going out, I change the Accounts field in Outlook to use my
Hotmail account. Then things work smoothly.

Bob Miller
Anacortes, WA

Mike Cowan
Advanced Computer Connections
166 Milan Ave
Norwalk, OH  44857
419-668-4080
mikec@accnorwalk.com
www.accnorwalk.com

Bob, All decent ISPs are not allowing relay off their mail servers, Earthlink has gone a step further, to much IMHO, by not allowing mail traffic on their network if it not destined to their own mail servers. Most ISPs do support smtp auth however. When you log into your POP account the mail server (if your client is configured correctly) will capture your source address and create a dynamic, temporary rule and will accept your message from any IP you happen to be using. Call your ISP and see if they support smtp auth. Mike Cowan At 03:14 PM 1/31/2004, Bob Miller wrote: >Ben - > >Good posting, real world numbers are always better than brochure numbers. > >RE: "hacking" wifi nets and SMTP (outgoing e-mail). I have noticed that more >and more WISPs are not providing SMTP servers and that some ISPs (like >Earthlink) don't accept e-mail from computers not directly connected to >their service. All of this is help block spam. > >Since I use a SMTP-based e-mail service, I have started to use an >internet-based service (like Hotmail or MSN) when I travel. If I found that >my mail is not going out, I change the Accounts field in Outlook to use my >Hotmail account. Then things work smoothly. > >Bob Miller >Anacortes, WA Mike Cowan Advanced Computer Connections 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-668-4080 mikec@accnorwalk.com www.accnorwalk.com