> Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 13:54:19 +0200 > From: "Roger Bingham" <rjbingham@orange.fr> > To: "'Trawlers & Trawlering List'" > <trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com> > Subject: Re: T&T: What do they teach Coast Guard employees these days > Message-ID: <00d001cae9ee$32e69160$98b3b420$@fr> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > "Spring cleat" is standard terminology in UK - > > but I have observed a few other vacabularic (I made that one up) > differences > on previous occasions:-)) > > Regards > > Roger Bingham > France > > > I would like to know what a " spring cleat " is? If I was on the dock and > somebody yelled tie to the spring cleat! I would look confused at the > captain and say: What are you talking about? Regardless of the english > accent! On my boat I have a fwd, mid and aft cleat and any of them can be > used as a "spring cleat" Even in England I think there would be some > confusion! Now tell me to make a fwd spring or a mid or an aft and I would > know what to do. BTW I have the CG crew training manual and there is no > mention of "a spring cleat". AND I guarantee that any CG crew member on a > "safe boat" knows port or starboard. They would not be on a boat unless > the know the baqsics and more! Hans

Hans, Google "Spring cleat" and you get about 759,000 hits - that term is clearly in common usage somewhere! Roger Bingham France I said > "Spring cleat" is standard terminology in UK - Hans said > Even in England I think there would be some confusion . .

Two points: 1) 2,180 hits if you seek the exact phrase by using quote marks as in "spring cleats". 2) If you look at some of the hits, you will see that they are describing different things. Most importantly, they often call any cleat to which a spring line is connected - the spring cleat. So, the phrase communicates nothing to the knowledgeable seaman. Although allot of Coast Guard training is OJT, the kids on the boats seem to have their acts together. Some of the uniformed (not civilian volunteer) radio operators leave something to be desired (when I looked into it, there was no radio operator course at Cape May). Ron Rogers -----Original Message----- From: Roger Bingham Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 12:24 PM Hans, Google "Spring cleat" and you get about 759,000 hits - that term is clearly in common usage somewhere! Roger Bingham France I said > "spring cleat" is standard terminology in UK - Hans said > Even in England I think there would be some confusion. .

I, as usual, bow to Ron's argument (supported by Kevin R) on my faulty Googling techniques. However - At random, I looked at Fairline Boats website http://www.fairline.com/#/targa/t38/specs/ selected their smallest boat and copy below an extract from the equipment list. Deck: . . . . . . . . . . Stainless steel bow, spring and stern cleats . Stainless steel bow fairlead(s) . . . . . . . . Common use in UK. Roger Bingham - Out! > Most importantly, they often call any cleat to which > a spring line is connected - the spring cleat. So, the phrase > communicates nothing to the knowledgeable seaman.

With Respect, Perhaps any cleat can be rigged with a spring line but only one cleat's nomenclature is a "spring cleat." Kindest regards, Leonard Brunotte -----Original Message----- From: trawlers-and-trawlering-bounces@lists.samurai.com [mailto:trawlers-and-trawlering-bounces@lists.samurai.com]On Behalf Of Roger Bingham Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 4:18 AM To: 'Ron Rogers'; trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com Subject: T&T: CG terminology I, as usual, bow to Ron's argument (supported by Kevin R) on my faulty Googling techniques. However - At random, I looked at Fairline Boats website http://www.fairline.com/#/targa/t38/specs/ selected their smallest boat and copy below an extract from the equipment list. Deck: . . . . . . . . . . Stainless steel bow, spring and stern cleats . Stainless steel bow fairlead(s) . . . . . . . . Common use in UK. Roger Bingham - Out! > Most importantly, they often call any cleat to which > a spring line is connected - the spring cleat. So, the phrase > communicates nothing to the knowledgeable seaman. _______________________________________________ http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers-and-trawlering To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options (get password, change email address, etc) go to: http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/options/trawlers-and-trawlering Trawlers & Trawlering and T&T are trademarks of Water World Productions. Unauthorized use is prohibited.