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John

Sun, Jan 3, 2010 11:12 PM

To All;

Steve's post reflects my view as well. I hope that George will
reconsider and that Jeff will continue to provide his expertise to the list.

The following is an un-official count of the "Active Captain-et.al." thread:

Total On-Line Responses - 13
Total On-Line For Returning "Active Captain" to the List - 10 (76.92%)
Total On-line Against Returning "Active Captain" to the List - 2 (15.38%)
Total On-Line Un-Sure - 1 (7.69%)

While 13 is not a huge percentage of the total list members, it clearly does represent, rather pointedly, the feelings of the respondents. I presume, maybe wrongly, that this list was developed to provide a non-profit service to its members. This action against "Active Captain", based on the response noted above, does NOT appear to meet this goal.

I also do not appreciate being treated like a child and "told" what I can and cannot read. My vote, included in the numbers above, is FOR Returning Active Captain to the List.

Thanks

John Blair

To All; Steve's post reflects my view as well. I hope that George will reconsider and that Jeff will continue to provide his expertise to the list. The following is an un-official count of the "Active Captain-et.al." thread: Total On-Line Responses - 13 Total On-Line For Returning "Active Captain" to the List - 10 (76.92%) Total On-line Against Returning "Active Captain" to the List - 2 (15.38%) Total On-Line Un-Sure - 1 (7.69%) While 13 is not a huge percentage of the total list members, it clearly does represent, rather pointedly, the feelings of the respondents. I presume, maybe wrongly, that this list was developed to provide a non-profit service to its members. This action against "Active Captain", based on the response noted above, does NOT appear to meet this goal. I also do not appreciate being treated like a child and "told" what I can and cannot read. My vote, included in the numbers above, is FOR Returning Active Captain to the List. Thanks John Blair

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Steve and Regina Smith

Sun, Jan 3, 2010 11:32 PM

We vote to include Active Captain. We appreciate the views that Jeff and
others bring to the list. While I would not support a complete
commercialization of the list, I do think that those that are relevant and
provide options and suggestions are important to the list. I may or may not
agree with all the suggestions that are presented, we are all adults and can
make better informed decisions because of Jeff and other who are
contributors to the list.

Steve and Gina Smith

From: "John" blair_j@bellsouth.net
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 6:12 PM
To: "Trawlers-and-Trawlering@Lists.Samurai.Com"
trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com
Subject: T&T: Active Captain

To All;

Steve's post reflects my view as well. I hope that George will
reconsider and that Jeff will continue to provide his expertise to the
list.

The following is an un-official count of the "Active Captain-et.al."
thread:

Total On-Line Responses - 13
Total On-Line For Returning "Active Captain" to the List - 10 (76.92%)
Total On-line Against Returning "Active Captain" to the List - 2 (15.38%)
Total On-Line Un-Sure - 1 (7.69%)

While 13 is not a huge percentage of the total list members, it clearly
does represent, rather pointedly, the feelings of the respondents. I
presume, maybe wrongly, that this list was developed to provide a
non-profit service to its members. This action against "Active Captain",
based on the response noted above, does NOT appear to meet this goal.

I also do not appreciate being treated like a child and "told" what I can
and cannot read. My vote, included in the numbers above, is FOR Returning
Active Captain to the List.

Thanks

John Blair

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We vote to include Active Captain. We appreciate the views that Jeff and others bring to the list. While I would not support a complete commercialization of the list, I do think that those that are relevant and provide options and suggestions are important to the list. I may or may not agree with all the suggestions that are presented, we are all adults and can make better informed decisions because of Jeff and other who are contributors to the list. Steve and Gina Smith -------------------------------------------------- From: "John" <blair_j@bellsouth.net> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 6:12 PM To: "Trawlers-and-Trawlering@Lists.Samurai.Com" <trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com> Subject: T&T: Active Captain > To All; > > Steve's post reflects my view as well. I hope that George will > reconsider and that Jeff will continue to provide his expertise to the > list. > > The following is an un-official count of the "Active Captain-et.al." > thread: > > Total On-Line Responses - 13 > Total On-Line For Returning "Active Captain" to the List - 10 (76.92%) > Total On-line Against Returning "Active Captain" to the List - 2 (15.38%) > Total On-Line Un-Sure - 1 (7.69%) > > While 13 is not a huge percentage of the total list members, it clearly > does represent, rather pointedly, the feelings of the respondents. I > presume, maybe wrongly, that this list was developed to provide a > non-profit service to its members. This action against "Active Captain", > based on the response noted above, does NOT appear to meet this goal. > > I also do not appreciate being treated like a child and "told" what I can > and cannot read. My vote, included in the numbers above, is FOR Returning > Active Captain to the List. > > Thanks > > John Blair > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers-and-trawlering > > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options (get password, change > email address, etc) go to: > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/options/trawlers-and-trawlering > > Trawlers & Trawlering and T&T are trademarks of Water World > Productions. Unauthorized use is prohibited.

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Henry Quigley

Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:06 AM

Add me to the return Jeff to the list.

Henry
M/Y Mary M
North Pacific 43

----- Original Message ----

The following is an un-official count of the
"Active Captain-et.al." thread:

Total On-Line Responses - 13
Total On-Line
For Returning "Active Captain" to the List - 10 (76.92%) ADD ME HERE
Total On-line Against Returning "Active Captain" to the List - 2 (15.38%)
Total On-Line Un-Sure - 1 (7.69%)

Add me to the return Jeff to the list. Henry M/Y Mary M North Pacific 43 ----- Original Message ---- The following is an un-official count of the "Active Captain-et.al." thread: Total On-Line Responses - 13 Total On-Line For Returning "Active Captain" to the List - 10 (76.92%) ADD ME HERE Total On-line Against Returning "Active Captain" to the List - 2 (15.38%) Total On-Line Un-Sure - 1 (7.69%)

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Ron Rogers

Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:37 AM

I think that there is some real confusion here. Nobody in authority has
mentioned excluding Jeff from posting, rather we are being told that Jeff
cannot answer questions about Active Captain because his website has a
"Store" tab on the home page making it a "for profit" website by the list
owner's interpretation of the list's rules. Some of us feel that the public
service character of the website outweighs that small "commercial"
component. So, we are requesting a waiver of the rules so that Active
Captain, per se, may be discussed.

Nobody's integrity is in question here; it's just a question of how the list
owner chooses to apply the rule. Frankly, there are a decent number of
respondents whose replies implicitly advertise their services. That doesn't
offend me either as I want the information from those with experience.

Ron Rogers

I think that there is some real confusion here. Nobody in authority has mentioned excluding Jeff from posting, rather we are being told that Jeff cannot answer questions about Active Captain because his website has a "Store" tab on the home page making it a "for profit" website by the list owner's interpretation of the list's rules. Some of us feel that the public service character of the website outweighs that small "commercial" component. So, we are requesting a waiver of the rules so that Active Captain, per se, may be discussed. Nobody's integrity is in question here; it's just a question of how the list owner chooses to apply the rule. Frankly, there are a decent number of respondents whose replies implicitly advertise their services. That doesn't offend me either as I want the information from those with experience. Ron Rogers

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Bob Smith

Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:01 AM

I believe I get more information from this list however I get far more very
important to me information from Active Captain (AC). The long, frequent
discussions on single vs twin, which anchor, how to dock, AIS or not, how many
times to blow your horn etc are interesting to varying degrees but when I am
on the water they don't mean a thing compared to what I get from Active
Captain.
It didn't sound like Jeff was kicked off the list, at least not yet, however
he apparently was asked not to discuss AC here. I really would like to hear
his responses to questions as they probably mean more to me then many
discussions here.
I never have seen where Jeff had any flagrant discussion of using AC, so I
don't really understand the problem, could it be jealousy?
Jeff perhaps you should start your own list. You could call it T&T with Active
Captain.
Sign me up please.

Bob

Cold in Kingston Ont.

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I believe I get more information from this list however I get far more very important to me information from Active Captain (AC). The long, frequent discussions on single vs twin, which anchor, how to dock, AIS or not, how many times to blow your horn etc are interesting to varying degrees but when I am on the water they don't mean a thing compared to what I get from Active Captain. It didn't sound like Jeff was kicked off the list, at least not yet, however he apparently was asked not to discuss AC here. I really would like to hear his responses to questions as they probably mean more to me then many discussions here. I never have seen where Jeff had any flagrant discussion of using AC, so I don't really understand the problem, could it be jealousy? Jeff perhaps you should start your own list. You could call it T&T with Active Captain. Sign me up please. Bob Cold in Kingston Ont. __________________________________________________________________ Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet Explorer. 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/

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Jim Boyd

Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:18 AM

And me

-----Original Message-----
From: trawlers-and-trawlering-bounces+jboydjr=comcast.net@lists.samurai.com
[mailto:trawlers-and-trawlering-bounces+jboydjr=comcast.net@lists.samurai.co
m] On Behalf Of Henry Quigley
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:06 PM
To: John; Trawlers-and-Trawlering@Lists.Samurai.Com
Subject: Re: T&T: Active Captain

Add me to the return Jeff to the list.

Henry
M/Y Mary M
North Pacific 43

----- Original Message ----

The following is an un-official count of the
"Active Captain-et.al." thread:

Total On-Line Responses - 13
Total On-Line
For Returning "Active Captain" to the List - 10 (76.92%) ADD ME HERE
Total On-line Against Returning "Active Captain" to the List - 2 (15.38%)
Total On-Line Un-Sure - 1 (7.69%)

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And me -----Original Message----- From: trawlers-and-trawlering-bounces+jboydjr=comcast.net@lists.samurai.com [mailto:trawlers-and-trawlering-bounces+jboydjr=comcast.net@lists.samurai.co m] On Behalf Of Henry Quigley Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:06 PM To: John; Trawlers-and-Trawlering@Lists.Samurai.Com Subject: Re: T&T: Active Captain Add me to the return Jeff to the list. Henry M/Y Mary M North Pacific 43 ----- Original Message ---- The following is an un-official count of the "Active Captain-et.al." thread: Total On-Line Responses - 13 Total On-Line For Returning "Active Captain" to the List - 10 (76.92%) ADD ME HERE Total On-line Against Returning "Active Captain" to the List - 2 (15.38%) Total On-Line Un-Sure - 1 (7.69%) _______________________________________________ http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers-and-trawlering To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options (get password, change email address, etc) go to: http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/options/trawlers-and-trawlering Trawlers & Trawlering and T&T are trademarks of Water World Productions. Unauthorized use is prohibited.

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