On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 09:01:38 AM PST, Scott McGrath via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote:  

Tom, Skip, Maybe the simplest (and maybe cheapest) solution is to use one of these modules https://solectroshop.com/en/modulos-ethernet/5220-w5500-lite-ethernet-network-modules-spi-5905323231627.html W5500 Lite - Ethernet Network Modules SPI solectroshop.com Connect a simple Arduino or ESP32-(C3 if you want to go the Open-Source Risc-V way) and a few lines of code that are available on the net. e.g. https://mischianti.org/esp32-ethernet-w5500-with-plain-http-and-ssl-https/ A simple Ethernet controller always needs some software unfortunately… Or you can go the FPGA way! No software (at least in the “FPGA”…) but needs some tinkering with Verilog, this can be made quite robust in my opinion.(but I'm no Verilog specialist) https://github.com/alexforencich/verilog-ethernet alexforencich/verilog-ethernet: Verilog Ethernet components for FPGA implementation github.com I am currently designing an I²C/RS-485 flexible extension board using the standard “Ethernet-cable CAT-4,5,6…” but of course this is not meant to be connected to an Ethernet network, just a recycled “Ethernet” cable one to one … but this could be used to remote control some Timenut stuff in the lab… But the development has stalled because of other “urgent” things. My initial design, but not yet tested, only for making your gray matter bubbling… ;-)  73’s Jacques ON1TJ > Op 12 jan. 2024, om 09:30 heeft time-nuts-request@lists.febo.com het volgende geschreven: > > Send time-nuts mailing list submissions to > time-nuts@lists.febo.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > time-nuts-request@lists.febo.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > time-nuts-owner@lists.febo.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of time-nuts digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. timing lab, remote control (Tom Van Baak) > 2. Re: timing lab, remote control (Azelio Boriani) > 3. Re: timing lab, remote control (Christophe Huygens) > 4. Re: timing lab, remote control (paul swed) > 5. Re: timing lab, remote control (Bob Camp) > 6. Re: timing lab, remote control (Mike Ingle) > 7. Re: timing lab, remote control (Eric Garner) > 8. Re: timing lab, remote control (Scott McGrath) > 9. Re: timing lab, remote control (Jim Lux) > 10. Re: timing lab, remote control (Jim Lux) > 11. Re: timing lab, remote control (James C Cotton) > 12. Re: timing lab, remote control (Bob Camp) > 13. Re: timing lab, remote control (Robert LaJeunesse) > 14. Re: timing lab, remote control (Robert LaJeunesse) > 15. Re: timing lab, remote control (Eric Scace) > 16. Re: timing lab, remote control (GEO Badger) > 17. Re: timing lab, remote control (Jim Lux) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 06:16:00 -0800 > From: Tom Van Baak <tvb@LeapSecond.com> > Subject: [time-nuts] timing lab, remote control > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> > Message-ID: <a678875e-bb4a-58ed-31f8-0d619ddb6248@LeapSecond.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > There was a posting from Skip a while ago that didn't come through. See > below for his request. Me too. > > In my case, I have an area at home you could call my working bench. I > also have small room, less accessible, where I keep my best clocks with > as little human interference as possible. I'd like to improve its remote > monitoring and control over ethernet. > > So the question is, does anyone make a black box that acts as a > transparent latch or GPIO? I'd like 8 or 16 bits at my bench that when > changed turn into bits in the remote lab. Ideally no setup, no protocol, > no commands, no software, no operating system, no bugs; just two boxes > with N pins on each end and changes are reflected from one to the other > over LAN. TTL/CMOS level is fine. Some latency is ok. > > I'm not looking for yet another WiFi, Arduino/LAN, or R-Pi project, but > rather a turn-key solution that just works. I spent a significant amount > of time on the web, thinking this would be a trivial search, but I came > up empty. > > Thanks, > /tvb > >> I'm looking for a box that has an Ethernet port on one side and some > number or I/O >> (could be from 1 to n) on the other. When two of these boxes are paired >> (by entering their respective IP addresses), the state of an input on > one box is >> reflected in the output of the other box (and vice versa). >> >> An example would be if I had a switch hooked to the input of one box, > its state would >> be reflected in the output of the paired box, such as controlling a > motor remotely. >> >> Any ideas? Perhaps there might be a business opportunity here if it > doesn't exist. >> Thanks for the time, >> Skip Withrow > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 15:52:51 +0100 > From: Azelio Boriani <azelio.boriani@gmail.com> > Subject: [time-nuts] Re: timing lab, remote control > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> > Message-ID: > <CAPjwOuKq7Zd+owWQ3zC8ebOiJ62rqpeDaWGHWjtJ4ocCQrLuKQ@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > It can be done by a PIC and the MAC ENC28J60, there is no way to > implement something that can stay on an ethernet only by logic gates > (OK, add some FF), as was long ago possible with the GPIB (for > example). Operating system free, yes, you can: just an ENC28J60 and a > suitable microprocessor/microcontroller with a TCPIP library ready to > use like the Microchip's one. Then you must interact with it using a > telnet-like connection or UDP packets with your 8 or 16 I/O bits, so a > minimum of Windows or Linux programming is needed. Or make two boxes > that just see each other: I will investigate if it can be done by a > couple of evaluation boards. > > On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 3:18 PM Tom Van Baak via time-nuts > <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: >> >> There was a posting from Skip a while ago that didn't come through. See >> below for his request. Me too. >> >> In my case, I have an area at home you could call my working bench. I >> also have small room, less accessible, where I keep my best clocks with >> as little human interference as possible. I'd like to improve its remote >> monitoring and control over ethernet. >> >> So the question is, does anyone make a black box that acts as a >> transparent latch or GPIO? I'd like 8 or 16 bits at my bench that when >> changed turn into bits in the remote lab. Ideally no setup, no protocol, >> no commands, no software, no operating system, no bugs; just two boxes >> with N pins on each end and changes are reflected from one to the other >> over LAN. TTL/CMOS level is fine. Some latency is ok. >> >> I'm not looking for yet another WiFi, Arduino/LAN, or R-Pi project, but >> rather a turn-key solution that just works. I spent a significant amount >> of time on the web, thinking this would be a trivial search, but I came >> up empty. >> >> Thanks, >> /tvb >> >>> I'm looking for a box that has an Ethernet port on one side and some >> number or I/O >>> (could be from 1 to n) on the other. When two of these boxes are paired >>> (by entering their respective IP addresses), the state of an input on >> one box is >>> reflected in the output of the other box (and vice versa). >>> >>> An example would be if I had a switch hooked to the input of one box, >> its state would >>> be reflected in the output of the paired box, such as controlling a >> motor remotely. >>> >>> Any ideas? Perhaps there might be a business opportunity here if it >> doesn't exist. >>> Thanks for the time, >>> Skip Withrow >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com >> To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 15:54:15 +0100 > From: Christophe Huygens <christophe.huygens@kuleuven.be> > Subject: [time-nuts] Re: timing lab, remote control > To: Tom Van Baak via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> > Cc: christophe.huygens@kuleuven.be > Message-ID: <af3bc6e2-d0a8-4ad4-8ef0-256671b02bf2@kuleuven.be> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Hi, > > check out > https://store.ncd.io/product/ethernet-internet-contact-closure-remote-relay-controller-8-channel-solid-state-1-way/ > > This exists bidirectional also > > br > > Christophe > > > On 11/01/2024 15:16, Tom Van Baak via time-nuts wrote: >> There was a posting from Skip a while ago that didn't come through. >> See below for his request. Me too. >> >> In my case, I have an area at home you could call my working bench. I >> also have small room, less accessible, where I keep my best clocks >> with as little human interference as possible. I'd like to improve its >> remote monitoring and control over ethernet. >> >> So the question is, does anyone make a black box that acts as a >> transparent latch or GPIO? I'd like 8 or 16 bits at my bench that when >> changed turn into bits in the remote lab. Ideally no setup, no >> protocol, no commands, no software, no operating system, no bugs; just >> two boxes with N pins on each end and changes are reflected from one >> to the other over LAN. TTL/CMOS level is fine. Some latency is ok. >> >> I'm not looking for yet another WiFi, Arduino/LAN, or R-Pi project, >> but rather a turn-key solution that just works. I spent a significant >> amount of time on the web, thinking this would be a trivial search, >> but I came up empty. >> >> Thanks, >> /tvb >> >>> I'm looking for a box that has an Ethernet port on one side and some >> number or I/O >>> (could be from 1 to n) on the other. When two of these boxes are >> paired >>> (by entering their respective IP addresses), the state of an input >> on one box is >>> reflected in the output of the other box (and vice versa). >>> >>> An example would be if I had a switch hooked to the input of one >> box, its state would >>> be reflected in the output of the paired box, such as controlling a >> motor remotely. >>> >>> Any ideas? Perhaps there might be a business opportunity here if it >> doesn't exist. >>> Thanks for the time, >>> Skip Withrow >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com >> To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 10:11:35 -0500 > From: paul swed <paulswedb@gmail.com> > Subject: [time-nuts] Re: timing lab, remote control > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> > Message-ID: > <CAD2JfAh+jHvG8eMrt-o-BQg32JsRLmBXWPVKy6u-nLHanWxVCg@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I believe some of the dataq products ( https://www.dataq.com/ ) will fit > the bill. I use one of there usb models. It had 8 gpios. But they go bigger > and also have A/D and D/A IO. They were very price attractive for usb. > Ethernet seems to be higher. > Regards > Paul > WB8TSL > > On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 9:18 AM Tom Van Baak via time-nuts < > time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > >> There was a posting from Skip a while ago that didn't come through. See >> below for his request. Me too. >> >> In my case, I have an area at home you could call my working bench. I >> also have small room, less accessible, where I keep my best clocks with >> as little human interference as possible. I'd like to improve its remote >> monitoring and control over ethernet. >> >> So the question is, does anyone make a black box that acts as a >> transparent latch or GPIO? I'd like 8 or 16 bits at my bench that when >> changed turn into bits in the remote lab. Ideally no setup, no protocol, >> no commands, no software, no operating system, no bugs; just two boxes >> with N pins on each end and changes are reflected from one to the other >> over LAN. TTL/CMOS level is fine. Some latency is ok. >> >> I'm not looking for yet another WiFi, Arduino/LAN, or R-Pi project, but >> rather a turn-key solution that just works. I spent a significant amount >> of time on the web, thinking this would be a trivial search, but I came >> up empty. >> >> Thanks, >> /tvb >> >>> I'm looking for a box that has an Ethernet port on one side and some >> number or I/O >>> (could be from 1 to n) on the other. When two of these boxes are paired >>> (by entering their respective IP addresses), the state of an input on >> one box is >>> reflected in the output of the other box (and vice versa). >>> >>> An example would be if I had a switch hooked to the input of one box, >> its state would >>> be reflected in the output of the paired box, such as controlling a >> motor remotely. >>> >>> Any ideas? Perhaps there might be a business opportunity here if it >> doesn't exist. >>> Thanks for the time, >>> Skip Withrow >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com >> To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 10:24:13 -0500 > From: Bob Camp <kb8tq@n1k.org> > Subject: [time-nuts] Re: timing lab, remote control > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> > Cc: Tom Van Baak <tvb@LeapSecond.com> > Message-ID: <4B1CFAD3-6192-40D6-B5E5-6AFEA9114FB1@n1k.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi > > I think you are stuck with a pair of RPi’s ….. > > Bob > >> On Jan 11, 2024, at 9:16 AM, Tom Van Baak via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: >> >> There was a posting from Skip a while ago that didn't come through. See below for his request. Me too. >> >> In my case, I have an area at home you could call my working bench. I also have small room, less accessible, where I keep my best clocks with as little human interference as possible. I'd like to improve its remote monitoring and control over ethernet. >> >> So the question is, does anyone make a black box that acts as a transparent latch or GPIO? I'd like 8 or 16 bits at my bench that when changed turn into bits in the remote lab. Ideally no setup, no protocol, no commands, no software, no operating system, no bugs; just two boxes with N pins on each end and changes are reflected from one to the other over LAN. TTL/CMOS level is fine. Some latency is ok. >> >> I'm not looking for yet another WiFi, Arduino/LAN, or R-Pi project, but rather a turn-key solution that just works. I spent a significant amount of time on the web, thinking this would be a trivial search, but I came up empty. >> >> Thanks, >> /tvb >> >>> I'm looking for a box that has an Ethernet port on one side and some number or I/O >>> (could be from 1 to n) on the other. When two of these boxes are paired >>> (by entering their respective IP addresses), the state of an input on one box is >>> reflected in the output of the other box (and vice versa). >>> >>> An example would be if I had a switch hooked to the input of one box, its state would >>> be reflected in the output of the paired box, such as controlling a motor remotely. >>> >>> Any ideas? Perhaps there might be a business opportunity here if it doesn't exist. >>> Thanks for the time, >>> Skip Withrow >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com >> To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 16:25:33 +0100 > From: Mike Ingle <finndmike62@gmail.com> > Subject: [time-nuts] Re: timing lab, remote control > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> > Message-ID: > <CA+9RfkTBpB4fX1zyxzF3xm9gwsdKAnH_KUoDG7wp62NrxJ94bw@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I remember looking at some serdes link ICs in the early 1990s, but I have > forgotten their name, and they are probably obsolete now. A related search > came up with: > https://eu.mouser.com/datasheet/2/609/MAX9205_MAX9207-3131009.pdf > It looks like you could buy a couple eval boards from mouser. The price > hurts but... > > good luck. --mike > > On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 3:18 PM Tom Van Baak via time-nuts < > time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > >> There was a posting from Skip a while ago that didn't come through. See >> below for his request. Me too. >> >> In my case, I have an area at home you could call my working bench. I >> also have small room, less accessible, where I keep my best clocks with >> as little human interference as possible. I'd like to improve its remote >> monitoring and control over ethernet. >> >> So the question is, does anyone make a black box that acts as a >> transparent latch or GPIO? I'd like 8 or 16 bits at my bench that when >> changed turn into bits in the remote lab. Ideally no setup, no protocol, >> no commands, no software, no operating system, no bugs; just two boxes >> with N pins on each end and changes are reflected from one to the other >> over LAN. TTL/CMOS level is fine. Some latency is ok. >> >> I'm not looking for yet another WiFi, Arduino/LAN, or R-Pi project, but >> rather a turn-key solution that just works. I spent a significant amount >> of time on the web, thinking this would be a trivial search, but I came >> up empty. >> >> Thanks, >> /tvb >> >>> I'm looking for a box that has an Ethernet port on one side and some >> number or I/O >>> (could be from 1 to n) on the other. When two of these boxes are paired >>> (by entering their respective IP addresses), the state of an input on >> one box is >>> reflected in the output of the other box (and vice versa). >>> >>> An example would be if I had a switch hooked to the input of one box, >> its state would >>> be reflected in the output of the paired box, such as controlling a >> motor remotely. >>> >>> Any ideas? Perhaps there might be a business opportunity here if it >> doesn't exist. >>> Thanks for the time, >>> Skip Withrow >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com >> To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 08:00:01 -0800 > From: Eric Garner <garnere@gmail.com> > Subject: [time-nuts] Re: timing lab, remote control > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> > Message-ID: > <CABqdsz-Tn_G0ExCCeODiMOVkg5F5AMAxUbn+Kgo7t33dK8wuyQ@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > This kind of need is pretty common in the PLC/industrial automation world. > > Moxa among others makes devices like this. > https://www.moxa.com/en/products/industrial-edge-connectivity/controllers-and-ios/universal-controllers-and-i-os/iomirror-e3200-series > > The search term you're looking for is "IO mirror" > > Eric > > On Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 6:18 AM Tom Van Baak via time-nuts < > time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > >> There was a posting from Skip a while ago that didn't come through. See >> below for his request. Me too. >> >> In my case, I have an area at home you could call my working bench. I >> also have small room, less accessible, where I keep my best clocks with >> as little human interference as possible. I'd like to improve its remote >> monitoring and control over ethernet. >> >> So the question is, does anyone make a black box that acts as a >> transparent latch or GPIO? I'd like 8 or 16 bits at my bench that when >> changed turn into bits in the remote lab. Ideally no setup, no protocol, >> no commands, no software, no operating system, no bugs; just two boxes >> with N pins on each end and changes are reflected from one to the other >> over LAN. TTL/CMOS level is fine. Some latency is ok. >> >> I'm not looking for yet another WiFi, Arduino/LAN, or R-Pi project, but >> rather a turn-key solution that just works. I spent a significant amount >> of time on the web, thinking this would be a trivial search, but I came >> up empty. >> >> Thanks, >> /tvb >> >>> I'm looking for a box that has an Ethernet port on one side and some >> number or I/O >>> (could be from 1 to n) on the other. When two of these boxes are paired >>> (by entering their respective IP addresses), the state of an input on >> one box is >>> reflected in the output of the other box (and vice versa). >>> >>> An example would be if I had a switch hooked to the input of one box, >> its state would >>> be reflected in the output of the paired box, such as controlling a >> motor remotely. >>> >>> Any ideas? Perhaps there might be a business opportunity here if it >> doesn't exist. >>> Thanks for the time, >>> Skip Withrow >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com >> To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 11:01:22 -0500 > From: Scott McGrath <scmcgrath@gmail.com> > Subject: [time-nuts] Re: timing lab, remote control > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> > Message-ID: <1E560F3C-08D2-493F-BF52-99BB2F2119E9@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > National Instruments- www.ni.com makes exactly what you are looking for, new they are a bit spendy but used ones come up frequently on the well known auction site. > > There are a variety of them but they are all classified as digital i/o > > On Jan 11, 2024, at 9:18 AM, Tom Van Baak via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > LAN, or R-Pi project, but rather a turn-key > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 12:17:13 -0500 > From: "Jim Lux" <jim@luxfamily.com> > Subject: [time-nuts] Re: timing lab, remote control > To: time-nuts@lists.febo.com > Cc: > Message-ID: > <1704993433.3wj1e13vb4w4kwwg@webmail.hosting.earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > > > I've hunted for this too, but the best I found was a RPi at both ends, with some software to send it via TCP/UDP. > You might look at the industrial controls products - I've not looked recently, and it would definitely be pricey. But that kind of almost turnkey thing is fairly common. > > > > On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 06:16:00 -0800, Tom Van Baak via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > There was a posting from Skip a while ago that didn't come through. See > below for his request. Me too. > > In my case, I have an area at home you could call my working bench. I > also have small room, less accessible, where I keep my best clocks with > as little human interference as possible. I'd like to improve its remote > monitoring and control over ethernet. > > So the question is, does anyone make a black box that acts as a > transparent latch or GPIO? I'd like 8 or 16 bits at my bench that when > changed turn into bits in the remote lab. Ideally no setup, no protocol, > no commands, no software, no operating system, no bugs; just two boxes > with N pins on each end and changes are reflected from one to the other > over LAN. TTL/CMOS level is fine. Some latency is ok. > > I'm not looking for yet another WiFi, Arduino/LAN, or R-Pi project, but > rather a turn-key solution that just works. I spent a significant amount > of time on the web, thinking this would be a trivial search, but I came > up empty. > > Thanks, > /tvb > >> I'm looking for a box that has an Ethernet port on one side and some > number or I/O >> (could be from 1 to n) on the other. When two of these boxes are paired >> (by entering their respective IP addresses), the state of an input on > one box is >> reflected in the output of the other box (and vice versa). >> >> An example would be if I had a switch hooked to the input of one box, > its state would >> be reflected in the output of the paired box, such as controlling a > motor remotely. >> >> Any ideas? Perhaps there might be a business opportunity here if it > doesn't exist. >> Thanks for the time, >> Skip Withrow > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 12:22:18 -0500 > From: "Jim Lux" <jim@luxfamily.com> > Subject: [time-nuts] Re: timing lab, remote control > To: time-nuts@lists.febo.com > Cc: > Message-ID: > <1704993738.71dw9t6ego0ck4gk@webmail.hosting.earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > > > ooh.. $500 each.. That's about what I would expect, but you gave the key thing, a search term. > > So this is about what I'd expect, pricewise - RPi, isolated interface card, integration, package, some software. > > > > On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 08:00:01 -0800, Eric Garner via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > This kind of need is pretty common in the PLC/industrial automation world. > > Moxa among others makes devices like this. > https://www.moxa.com/en/products/industrial-edge-connectivity/controllers-and-ios/universal-controllers-and-i-os/iomirror-e3200-series > > The search term you're looking for is "IO mirror" > > Eric > > On Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 6:18 AM Tom Van Baak via time-nuts < > time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > >> There was a posting from Skip a while ago that didn't come through. See >> below for his request. Me too. >> >> In my case, I have an area at home you could call my working bench. I >> also have small room, less accessible, where I keep my best clocks with >> as little human interference as possible. I'd like to improve its remote >> monitoring and control over ethernet. >> >> So the question is, does anyone make a black box that acts as a >> transparent latch or GPIO? I'd like 8 or 16 bits at my bench that when >> changed turn into bits in the remote lab. Ideally no setup, no protocol, >> no commands, no software, no operating system, no bugs; just two boxes >> with N pins on each end and changes are reflected from one to the other >> over LAN. TTL/CMOS level is fine. Some latency is ok. >> >> I'm not looking for yet another WiFi, Arduino/LAN, or R-Pi project, but >> rather a turn-key solution that just works. I spent a significant amount >> of time on the web, thinking this would be a trivial search, but I came >> up empty. >> >> Thanks, >> /tvb >> >>> I'm looking for a box that has an Ethernet port on one side and some >> number or I/O >>> (could be from 1 to n) on the other. When two of these boxes are paired >>> (by entering their respective IP addresses), the state of an input on >> one box is >>> reflected in the output of the other box (and vice versa). >>> >>> An example would be if I had a switch hooked to the input of one box, >> its state would >>> be reflected in the output of the paired box, such as controlling a >> motor remotely. >>> >>> Any ideas? Perhaps there might be a business opportunity here if it >> doesn't exist. >>> Thanks for the time, >>> Skip Withrow >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com >> To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 17:39:37 +0000 > From: James C Cotton <jim.cotton@wmich.edu> > Subject: [time-nuts] Re: timing lab, remote control > To: "time-nuts@lists.febo.com" <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> > Message-ID: <CH0PR08MB7291FA5BD348BB92C30BE24395682@CH0PR08MB7291.nam > prd08.prod.outlook.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > These solutions exist in the land of SCADA, industrial control, DIN rail.. > > Advantech is a vendor, search "iot-ethernet-i-o-modules-adam-6000-6200"... > > Jim > ________________________________ > From: Jim Lux via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2024 12:17 PM > To: time-nuts@lists.febo.com <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> > Cc: Jim Lux <jim@luxfamily.com> > Subject: [time-nuts] Re: timing lab, remote control > > > > > > I've hunted for this too, but the best I found was a RPi at both ends, with some software to send it via TCP/UDP. > You might look at the industrial controls products - I've not looked recently, and it would definitely be pricey. But that kind of almost turnkey thing is fairly common. > > > > On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 06:16:00 -0800, Tom Van Baak via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > There was a posting from Skip a while ago that didn't come through. See > below for his request. Me too. > > In my case, I have an area at home you could call my working bench. I > also have small room, less accessible, where I keep my best clocks with > as little human interference as possible. I'd like to improve its remote > monitoring and control over ethernet. > > So the question is, does anyone make a black box that acts as a > transparent latch or GPIO? I'd like 8 or 16 bits at my bench that when > changed turn into bits in the remote lab. Ideally no setup, no protocol, > no commands, no software, no operating system, no bugs; just two boxes > with N pins on each end and changes are reflected from one to the other > over LAN. TTL/CMOS level is fine. Some latency is ok. > > I'm not looking for yet another WiFi, Arduino/LAN, or R-Pi project, but > rather a turn-key solution that just works. I spent a significant amount > of time on the web, thinking this would be a trivial search, but I came > up empty. > > Thanks, > /tvb > >> I'm looking for a box that has an Ethernet port on one side and some > number or I/O >> (could be from 1 to n) on the other. When two of these boxes are paired >> (by entering their respective IP addresses), the state of an input on > one box is >> reflected in the output of the other box (and vice versa). >> >> An example would be if I had a switch hooked to the input of one box, > its state would >> be reflected in the output of the paired box, such as controlling a > motor remotely. >> >> Any ideas? Perhaps there might be a business opportunity here if it > doesn't exist. >> Thanks for the time, >> Skip Withrow > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 12:52:12 -0500 > From: Bob Camp <kb8tq@n1k.org> > Subject: [time-nuts] Re: timing lab, remote control > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> > Message-ID: <BDCB9BF4-E495-4801-8E7B-1084D9CB8497@n1k.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi > > A pair of $35 each RPi’s and who knows who’s add on boards for (maybe) $50 each gets you quite a ways. Assuming “who knows who” also provides a rational library to support their boards things should not be to far off into the world of insane projects. By the time you add cases, you have made it past $100 each. Pick another brand of add on board, add the supply adapter and you could easily be up around $150 each. Off to a fancier RPi and you could maybe get to $200 … maybe. > > Even with the RPi approach, this could get pretty expensive pretty fast. > > Do you really escape from bugs and issues with this or that canned solution? There are similar devices that (when you tear them apart) have something like an RPi buried inside. That’s based on chatting with folks who tear this stuff apart for a living. You are saving the hassle of doing it DIY. You now are isolated enough that fixing bugs is more difficult. We don’t live in a perfect world ….. > > Bob > > > >> On Jan 11, 2024, at 12:22 PM, Jim Lux via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> ooh.. $500 each.. That's about what I would expect, but you gave the key thing, a search term. >> >> So this is about what I'd expect, pricewise - RPi, isolated interface card, integration, package, some software. >> >> >> >> On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 08:00:01 -0800, Eric Garner via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: >> >> This kind of need is pretty common in the PLC/industrial automation world. >> >> Moxa among others makes devices like this. >> https://www.moxa.com/en/products/industrial-edge-connectivity/controllers-and-ios/universal-controllers-and-i-os/iomirror-e3200-series >> >> The search term you're looking for is "IO mirror" >> >> Eric >> >> On Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 6:18 AM Tom Van Baak via time-nuts < >> time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: >> >>> There was a posting from Skip a while ago that didn't come through. See >>> below for his request. Me too. >>> >>> In my case, I have an area at home you could call my working bench. I >>> also have small room, less accessible, where I keep my best clocks with >>> as little human interference as possible. I'd like to improve its remote >>> monitoring and control over ethernet. >>> >>> So the question is, does anyone make a black box that acts as a >>> transparent latch or GPIO? I'd like 8 or 16 bits at my bench that when >>> changed turn into bits in the remote lab. Ideally no setup, no protocol, >>> no commands, no software, no operating system, no bugs; just two boxes >>> with N pins on each end and changes are reflected from one to the other >>> over LAN. TTL/CMOS level is fine. Some latency is ok. >>> >>> I'm not looking for yet another WiFi, Arduino/LAN, or R-Pi project, but >>> rather a turn-key solution that just works. I spent a significant amount >>> of time on the web, thinking this would be a trivial search, but I came >>> up empty. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> /tvb >>> >>>> I'm looking for a box that has an Ethernet port on one side and some >>> number or I/O >>>> (could be from 1 to n) on the other. When two of these boxes are paired >>>> (by entering their respective IP addresses), the state of an input on >>> one box is >>>> reflected in the output of the other box (and vice versa). >>>> >>>> An example would be if I had a switch hooked to the input of one box, >>> its state would >>>> be reflected in the output of the paired box, such as controlling a >>> motor remotely. >>>> >>>> Any ideas? Perhaps there might be a business opportunity here if it >>> doesn't exist. >>>> Thanks for the time, >>>> Skip Withrow >>> _______________________________________________ >>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com >>> To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com >> To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com >> To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 19:33:07 +0100 > From: Robert LaJeunesse <lajeunesse@mail.com> > Subject: [time-nuts] Re: timing lab, remote control > To: time-nuts@lists.febo.com > Message-ID: <trinity-2e8716fb-1046-4488-9a19-123d0efe2095-170499798677 > 3@3c-app-mailcom-lxa06> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Here's the output half, 8 relays, remote IP web interface controlled over 10/100 RJ-45 (or simple string commands by RS-485 serial), for under $50: > https://www.walmart.com/ip/Diymore-NC-1000-Ethernet-RJ45-TCP-IP-Remote-Control-Board-8-Channel-Relay-Net-Controller/3934806669 > > Apparently NC-1000 clones (or maybe the original) are available elsewhere: > https://www.elecbee.com/en-23923-NC-1000-Ethernet-RJ45-TCP-IP-Remote-Control-Board-with-8-Channels-Relay-Integrated-AC250V-485-Networking-Controller-DC-7-24V > > Bob L. > >> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 9:16 AM >> From: "Tom Van Baak via time-nuts" <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> >> To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> >> Cc: "Tom Van Baak" <tvb@LeapSecond.com> >> Subject: [time-nuts] timing lab, remote control >> >> There was a posting from Skip a while ago that didn't come through. See >> below for his request. Me too. >> >> In my case, I have an area at home you could call my working bench. I >> also have small room, less accessible, where I keep my best clocks with >> as little human interference as possible. I'd like to improve its remote >> monitoring and control over ethernet. >> >> So the question is, does anyone make a black box that acts as a >> transparent latch or GPIO? I'd like 8 or 16 bits at my bench that when >> changed turn into bits in the remote lab. Ideally no setup, no protocol, >> no commands, no software, no operating system, no bugs; just two boxes >> with N pins on each end and changes are reflected from one to the other >> over LAN. TTL/CMOS level is fine. Some latency is ok. >> >> I'm not looking for yet another WiFi, Arduino/LAN, or R-Pi project, but >> rather a turn-key solution that just works. I spent a significant amount >> of time on the web, thinking this would be a trivial search, but I came >> up empty. >> >> Thanks, >> /tvb >> >>> I'm looking for a box that has an Ethernet port on one side and some >> number or I/O >>> (could be from 1 to n) on the other. When two of these boxes are paired >>> (by entering their respective IP addresses), the state of an input on >> one box is >>> reflected in the output of the other box (and vice versa). >>> >>> An example would be if I had a switch hooked to the input of one box, >> its state would >>> be reflected in the output of the paired box, such as controlling a >> motor remotely. >>> >>> Any ideas? Perhaps there might be a business opportunity here if it >> doesn't exist. >>> Thanks for the time, >>> Skip Withrow >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com >> To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 19:48:16 +0100 > From: Robert LaJeunesse <lajeunesse@mail.com> > Subject: [time-nuts] Re: timing lab, remote control > To: time-nuts@lists.febo.com > Message-ID: <trinity-514315ad-930e-48b0-a679-77156ae5a7ed-170499889638 > 3@3c-app-mailcom-lxa06> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > For the real frugal here is a $12 (total!) solution that requires almost no development effort: > https://robotzero.one/sending-data-esp8266-to-esp8266/ > > Using two of these for digital I/O only: > https://www.ebay.com/itm/123866319935 > > Bob L. > >> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 9:16 AM >> From: "Tom Van Baak via time-nuts" <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> >> To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> >> Cc: "Tom Van Baak" <tvb@LeapSecond.com> >> Subject: [time-nuts] timing lab, remote control >> >> There was a posting from Skip a while ago that didn't come through. See >> below for his request. Me too. >> >> In my case, I have an area at home you could call my working bench. I >> also have small room, less accessible, where I keep my best clocks with >> as little human interference as possible. I'd like to improve its remote >> monitoring and control over ethernet. >> >> So the question is, does anyone make a black box that acts as a >> transparent latch or GPIO? I'd like 8 or 16 bits at my bench that when >> changed turn into bits in the remote lab. Ideally no setup, no protocol, >> no commands, no software, no operating system, no bugs; just two boxes >> with N pins on each end and changes are reflected from one to the other >> over LAN. TTL/CMOS level is fine. Some latency is ok. >> >> I'm not looking for yet another WiFi, Arduino/LAN, or R-Pi project, but >> rather a turn-key solution that just works. I spent a significant amount >> of time on the web, thinking this would be a trivial search, but I came >> up empty. >> >> Thanks, >> /tvb >> >>> I'm looking for a box that has an Ethernet port on one side and some >> number or I/O >>> (could be from 1 to n) on the other. When two of these boxes are paired >>> (by entering their respective IP addresses), the state of an input on >> one box is >>> reflected in the output of the other box (and vice versa). >>> >>> An example would be if I had a switch hooked to the input of one box, >> its state would >>> be reflected in the output of the paired box, such as controlling a >> motor remotely. >>> >>> Any ideas? Perhaps there might be a business opportunity here if it >> doesn't exist. >>> Thanks for the time, >>> Skip Withrow >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com >> To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 12:45:45 -0700 > From: Eric Scace <eric@scace.org> > Subject: [time-nuts] Re: timing lab, remote control > To: Time Nuts email list <time-nuts@lists.febo.com>, Van Baak Tom > <tvb@LeapSecond.com> > Cc: Withrow Skip <skip.withrow@gmail.com> > Message-ID: <3116813B-1CFC-4708-AF4E-3D57B46EFB16@scace.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi Tom, Skip — > > In the broadcast world there are suppliers of GPIO-over-Internet/Ethernet devices. They aren’t cheap, however, as they are usually part of a larger package of devices that send packetized audio (and video). > > How much delay/time variance can you tolerate in your applications? > > If none of the other devices people suggest will do the job, let me know. > > — Eric > >> On Jan 11, 2024, at 07:16, Tom Van Baak via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: >> >> There was a posting from Skip a while ago that didn't come through. See below for his request. Me too. >> >> In my case, I have an area at home you could call my working bench. I also have small room, less accessible, where I keep my best clocks with as little human interference as possible. I'd like to improve its remote monitoring and control over ethernet. >> >> So the question is, does anyone make a black box that acts as a transparent latch or GPIO? I'd like 8 or 16 bits at my bench that when changed turn into bits in the remote lab. Ideally no setup, no protocol, no commands, no software, no operating system, no bugs; just two boxes with N pins on each end and changes are reflected from one to the other over LAN. TTL/CMOS level is fine. Some latency is ok. >> >> I'm not looking for yet another WiFi, Arduino/LAN, or R-Pi project, but rather a turn-key solution that just works. I spent a significant amount of time on the web, thinking this would be a trivial search, but I came up empty. >> >> Thanks, >> /tvb >> >>> I'm looking for a box that has an Ethernet port on one side and some number or I/O >>> (could be from 1 to n) on the other. When two of these boxes are paired >>> (by entering their respective IP addresses), the state of an input on one box is >>> reflected in the output of the other box (and vice versa). >>> >>> An example would be if I had a switch hooked to the input of one box, its state would >>> be reflected in the output of the paired box, such as controlling a motor remotely. >>> >>> Any ideas? Perhaps there might be a business opportunity here if it doesn't exist. >>> Thanks for the time, >>> Skip Withrow >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com >> To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 22:21:50 +0000 (UTC) > From: GEO Badger <w3ab@yahoo.com> > Subject: [time-nuts] Re: timing lab, remote control > To: Scott McGrath via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> > Message-ID: <1966034974.506443.1705011710129@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Lantronics may have a solution. > --- > Ciao baby, catch you on the flip side > 73 de W3AB/GEO > WA2LSI, KE6RJW, W6B, W7B > http://www.w3ab.org > > Summers fly by,winters always walk. > > > > On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 09:01:38 AM PST, Scott McGrath via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > National Instruments- www.ni.com makes exactly what you are looking for, new they are a bit spendy but used ones come up frequently on the well known auction site. > > There are a variety of them but they are all classified as digital i/o > > On Jan 11, 2024, at 9:18 AM, Tom Van Baak via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > LAN, or R-Pi project, but rather a turn-key > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 20:02:44 -0500 > From: "Jim Lux" <jim@luxfamily.com> > Subject: [time-nuts] Re: timing lab, remote control > To: time-nuts@lists.febo.com > Cc: > Message-ID: > <1705021364.njt5ni580sc00c8c@webmail.hosting.earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > > > > I'd think that if they're selling into an industrial controls market that it has to be reasonably robust. The functionality is fairly limited in this kind of application, so the software is less likely to be buggy. When I see features like "web access" or "autoupload to cloud" I might get more nervous (if only because that means it's an attack surface for intruders..) > > > > On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 12:52:12 -0500, Bob Camp <kb8tq@n1k.org> wrote: > > Hi > > A pair of $35 each RPi’s and who knows who’s add on boards for (maybe) $50 each gets you quite a ways. Assuming “who knows who” also provides a rational library to support their boards things should not be to far off into the world of insane projects. By the time you add cases, you have made it past $100 each. Pick another brand of add on board, add the supply adapter and you could easily be up around $150 each. Off to a fancier RPi and you could maybe get to $200 … maybe. > > Even with the RPi approach, this could get pretty expensive pretty fast. > > Do you really escape from bugs and issues with this or that canned solution? There are similar devices that (when you tear them apart) have something like an RPi buried inside. That’s based on chatting with folks who tear this stuff apart for a living. You are saving the hassle of doing it DIY. You now are isolated enough that fixing bugs is more difficult. We don’t live in a perfect world ….. > > Bob > > > >> On Jan 11, 2024, at 12:22 PM, Jim Lux via time-nuts wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> ooh.. $500 each.. That's about what I would expect, but you gave the key thing, a search term. >> >> So this is about what I'd expect, pricewise - RPi, isolated interface card, integration, package, some software. >> >> >> >> On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 08:00:01 -0800, Eric Garner via time-nuts wrote: >> >> This kind of need is pretty common in the PLC/industrial automation world. >> >> Moxa among others makes devices like this. >> https://www.moxa.com/en/products/industrial-edge-connectivity/controllers-and-ios/universal-controllers-and-i-os/iomirror-e3200-series >> >> The search term you're looking for is "IO mirror" >> >> Eric >> >> On Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 6:18 AM Tom Van Baak via time-nuts < >> time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: >> >>> There was a posting from Skip a while ago that didn't come through. See >>> below for his request. Me too. >>> >>> In my case, I have an area at home you could call my working bench. I >>> also have small room, less accessible, where I keep my best clocks with >>> as little human interference as possible. I'd like to improve its remote >>> monitoring and control over ethernet. >>> >>> So the question is, does anyone make a black box that acts as a >>> transparent latch or GPIO? I'd like 8 or 16 bits at my bench that when >>> changed turn into bits in the remote lab. Ideally no setup, no protocol, >>> no commands, no software, no operating system, no bugs; just two boxes >>> with N pins on each end and changes are reflected from one to the other >>> over LAN. TTL/CMOS level is fine. Some latency is ok. >>> >>> I'm not looking for yet another WiFi, Arduino/LAN, or R-Pi project, but >>> rather a turn-key solution that just works. I spent a significant amount >>> of time on the web, thinking this would be a trivial search, but I came >>> up empty. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> /tvb >>> >>>> I'm looking for a box that has an Ethernet port on one side and some >>> number or I/O >>>> (could be from 1 to n) on the other. When two of these boxes are paired >>>> (by entering their respective IP addresses), the state of an input on >>> one box is >>>> reflected in the output of the other box (and vice versa). >>>> >>>> An example would be if I had a switch hooked to the input of one box, >>> its state would >>>> be reflected in the output of the paired box, such as controlling a >>> motor remotely. >>>> >>>> Any ideas? Perhaps there might be a business opportunity here if it >>> doesn't exist. >>>> Thanks for the time, >>>> Skip Withrow >>> _______________________________________________ >>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com >>> To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com >> To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com >> To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com > %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > > ------------------------------ > > End of time-nuts Digest, Vol 237, Issue 1 > *****************************************