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5000w PURE SINE WAVE POWER INVERTER 12V/110V

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Larry N. Brown
Mon, Nov 9, 2009 12:04 PM

Somebody shoot this down fast!

http://xrl.in/3n0e

Larry
MV Cigano

Somebody shoot this down fast! http://xrl.in/3n0e Larry MV Cigano
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Mark Richter
Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:30 PM

Larry,
This inverter seems like a heck of a deal, if you believe all their specs.
Note that this unit contains no charger, just an inverter.  Although it is
spec'ed at 5000 watts, it seems like it's really a 2500w unit, that can put
out 5000 watts for a very short time.  Many of the cheaper inverters are
being spec'ed this way, it seems.

The unit must be extremely efficient, since it can produce 5000 watts at
110v from 417 amps at 12v (5004 watts) :-).  In other parts of the ad,
efficiency is stated as 80% and 87-90%.  My other concern is whether it
really produces pure sine-wave form.  If so, it really is a bargain at $450
shipping included.  Why not buy one and let us know if it's as good as it
says!

Mark Richter, Winnie the Pooh, Ortona, FL on the Okeechobee Waterway
Mark's Mobile Marine
Electrical system design, installation and repair

Subject: T&T: 5000w PURE SINE WAVE POWER INVERTER 12V/110V

Somebody shoot this down fast!

http://xrl.in/3n0e

Larry
MV Cigano

Larry, This inverter seems like a heck of a deal, if you believe all their specs. Note that this unit contains no charger, just an inverter. Although it is spec'ed at 5000 watts, it seems like it's really a 2500w unit, that can put out 5000 watts for a very short time. Many of the cheaper inverters are being spec'ed this way, it seems. The unit must be extremely efficient, since it can produce 5000 watts at 110v from 417 amps at 12v (5004 watts) :-). In other parts of the ad, efficiency is stated as 80% and 87-90%. My other concern is whether it really produces pure sine-wave form. If so, it really is a bargain at $450 shipping included. Why not buy one and let us know if it's as good as it says! Mark Richter, Winnie the Pooh, Ortona, FL on the Okeechobee Waterway Mark's Mobile Marine Electrical system design, installation and repair >Subject: T&T: 5000w PURE SINE WAVE POWER INVERTER 12V/110V > Somebody shoot this down fast! > > http://xrl.in/3n0e > > Larry > MV Cigano
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Ron Rogers
Mon, Nov 9, 2009 4:08 PM

Scroll down to the bottom and view the DOA 10,000 watt model! Does DOA mean
Dead On Arrival?

Ron Rogers

Scroll down to the bottom and view the DOA 10,000 watt model! Does DOA mean Dead On Arrival? Ron Rogers
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Scott H.E. Welch
Mon, Nov 9, 2009 5:06 PM

The easiest thing to do with these type of low-end products is to take a
quick peek at the DC input cables. First, 5000 watts @ 110 VAC is equivalent
to roughly 400 amps at 12 VDC, even assuming 100% efficiency. 400 amps will
require 4/0 cable, which is roughly the diameter of 1/2 garden hose. I don't
see that on this unit. What I do see looks like about #10 cable, which is
rated at 60 amps or 720 watts. That's probably a pretty realistic rating for
the unit.

If you drew even 2400 watts (200 amps @ 12 VDC) through #10, it would melt
the insulation within minutes. But you wouldn't ever draw that amount, of
course, since you have provided overcurrent protection based on both NEMA and
AYCB ratings, and you've also taken into account both the insulation
temperature rating and the ampacity derating when cable is installed in
engine spaces. Right?

By the way here is a link to a useful set of tables:

http://www.marinco.com/page/wire-tech-data

Scott Welch
Chief Evangelist, Open Text Social Media Group
www.opentext.com
905 762 6101

"Things turn out best for people who make the best of the way things turn
out." - John Wooden

The easiest thing to do with these type of low-end products is to take a quick peek at the DC input cables. First, 5000 watts @ 110 VAC is equivalent to roughly 400 amps at 12 VDC, even assuming 100% efficiency. 400 amps will require 4/0 cable, which is roughly the diameter of 1/2 garden hose. I don't see that on this unit. What I do see looks like about #10 cable, which is rated at 60 amps or 720 watts. That's probably a pretty realistic rating for the unit. If you drew even 2400 watts (200 amps @ 12 VDC) through #10, it would melt the insulation within minutes. But you wouldn't ever draw that amount, of course, since you have provided overcurrent protection based on both NEMA and AYCB ratings, and you've also taken into account both the insulation temperature rating and the ampacity derating when cable is installed in engine spaces. Right? By the way here is a link to a useful set of tables: http://www.marinco.com/page/wire-tech-data Scott Welch Chief Evangelist, Open Text Social Media Group www.opentext.com 905 762 6101 "Things turn out best for people who make the best of the way things turn out." - John Wooden