I’m not sure folks need to get too concerned but if they are and under circumstances where anonymity is necessary I suppose they could use an anonymous email account but I’m not sure how that would work for the municode listserv nor do I see it being easily implemented for our listservs. The opinion has been the rule in Maryland since 2015 and I’ve not seen any huge hurdles of compliance. However Maryland courts adopted a rule of reasonableness in interpreting rule 1.6 in a not analogous situation. The rule of reasonableness seems the best approach particularly considering some of the analysis of the rule by commentators. Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2024, at 11:31 AM, Pete Haskel via Ethics <ethics@lists.imla.org> wrote:  If a member lawyer uses an email address disclosing their client’s identity as their email for an IMLA listserv, or if IMLA staff lawyers otherwise know a member lawyer’s sole client, and that member lawyer doesn’t have client informed consent to email a question to an IMLA staff lawyer who can then post it to a listserv without disclosing the client, the solution might be for IMLA (MuniCode) to create one or more anonymous email addresses for each listserv as nominal list members from which member lawyers can post anonymous questions to an IMLA list? The anonymous addresses would be protected by some sort of password protocol & members asked not to share outside the list. If this tech solution might work, a starting implementation point could be based on one of the anonymizing email services profiled in this article: How to Send an Anonymous Email | PCMag, https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/how-to-create-an-anonymous-email-account (as of May 15, 2024). Regards, Pete Haskel Of Counsel Bojorquez Law Firm, PC 11675 Jollyville Road, Suite 300 Austin, Texas 78759 Phone: (512) 250-0411 Cell: (214) 577-9635 Fax: (512) 250-0749 Email: pete@texasmunicipallawyers.com<mailto:pete@texasmunicipallawyers.com> Web: www.texasmunicipallawyers.com<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.texasmunicipallawyers.com_&d=DwMGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=0SeTY5xTYzlnEpZimwgcfvl1VHZsrHbaQ4uFGsVR9Wg&m=kRBdgFzg6AaSXs2yzQzcSxnopxiye60-b3HlfDnvitD61wKL6v6J91WWhLtI5X1E&s=1XOmr4gSxjXtkNehcBgDx6jXUTCKZNpy9TtKR-1rOAE&e=> From: Amanda Karras via Ethics <ethics@lists.imla.org> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2024 3:36 PM To: ethics@lists.imla.org; cityattorneys@lists.imla.org; counties@lists.imla.org; employlaw@lists.imla.org; policeadvisors@lists.imla.org; Universitycities@lists.imla.org Subject: [Ethics] FW: IMLA Listservs Response to ABA Formal Opinion 511 Good afternoon: IMLA is going to host a discussion regarding the ABA opinion on listservs this Thursday, 5/16, at 3 pm eastern. 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From: Amanda Karras <amandakarras@imla.org<mailto:amandakarras@imla.org>> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2024 3:23 PM To: Amanda Karras <akarras@imla.org<mailto:akarras@imla.org>> Subject: IMLA Listservs Response to ABA Formal Opinion 511   [https://files.constantcontact.com/96235a6b201/eb55bcc8-73ab-4372-85c0-8156dc44a16c.png]   From the Desk of Amanda Karras   Dear IMLA Members: Last week, the ABA issued ethical guidance regarding the use of listservs. IMLA has analyzed the Opinion, and we believe IMLA’s listservs remain an important resource and members may continue to utilize them without running afoul of the Opinion as discussed more fully below. 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Rule 1.6 prevents lawyers from revealing information protected by the attorney-client relationship and the new ABA Opinion extends that obligation to listservs. Both the Rule and the Opinion are aimed at restricting the dissemination of information that could reveal attorney-client protected information. Opinion 511 discusses a 1988 ABA Formal Opinion which provides guidance on how attorneys can continue to utilize IMLA’s listservs without violating Rule 1.6. ABA Formal Opinion 98-411 (1988), explained that “a lawyer is impliedly authorized to consult with an unaffiliated attorney in a direct lawyer-to-lawyer consultation and to reveal information relating to the representation without client consent to further the representation when such information is anonymized or presented as a hypothetical and the information is revealed under circumstances in which ‘the information will not be further disclosed or otherwise used against the consulting lawyer’s client.’” While Opinion 511 goes on to explain that the 1988 Opinion did not extend to listservs, the Opinion does not contemplate how IMLA members typically use the IMLA listservs and which IMLA believes abides by Opinion 98-411. Specifically, IMLA members may reach out to myself or another IMLA attorney on staff and under Opinion 98-411 they are impliedly authorized to pose a question in a hypothetical fashion which the IMLA attorney may then anonymize and post on the relevant listserv. In this way, no confidential information is shared on the listserv and the responses will be forwarded on to the inquiring member. Those that respond to the inquiries should be mindful not to share confidential information and if their response should be anonymized, they should let the IMLA attorney know so that the IMLA attorney does not forward any confidential information. Furthermore, posting non-confidential information to the listservs is already permissible and may continue (sharing legal updates and other publicly available information). We believe it is important for all attorneys to abide by their ethical obligations under Rule 1.6 and individual attorneys should feel free to consult with their state ethics commissions or other ethical bodies for further information on this. 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We are fortunate to have such a great community of local government attorneys as a part of our membership. 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