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wpontius@datasync.com
Sun, Jan 7, 2001 12:08 AM

I strongly support a change to Robertson square drive screws for many of the
reasons already stated in other posts.  I would not mind buying another set
of  drivers, after all we have slotted,Phillips, and torx in several sizes,
one more is no bug deal.

Someone asked WHERE they would NOT be appropriate.  The only one I can think
of is where the screw heads are exposed in trim and inside woodwork, where
ONLY slotted brass screws with the slot oriented horizontally, are the only
obcessive-compulsive, anal retentive, only way to go, period....end of
storey !!!  Serious but <BG>.

Bill Pontius
Saltayre
KK48 Whaleback

I strongly support a change to Robertson square drive screws for many of the reasons already stated in other posts. I would not mind buying another set of drivers, after all we have slotted,Phillips, and torx in several sizes, one more is no bug deal. Someone asked WHERE they would NOT be appropriate. The only one I can think of is where the screw heads are exposed in trim and inside woodwork, where ONLY slotted brass screws with the slot oriented horizontally, are the only obcessive-compulsive, anal retentive, only way to go, period....end of storey !!! Serious but <BG>. Bill Pontius Saltayre KK48 Whaleback
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rbryett@ibm.net
Sun, Jan 7, 2001 10:18 AM

I strongly support a change to Robertson square drive screws for many of

the reasons already stated in other posts.<<<

Sadly there's no reasonably standard alternative to Phillips and slot heads
down here. Hex drive (Allen key), Torx are expensive and limited in
availability, especially in stainless steel. I don't think I've ever seen a
square drive screw at all. I always said our Canadian cousins were smart
(pity about the climate...).

A growing trend here is screws with a bolt-style hex head designed for use
with a hex socket driver. These are primarily intended for use with
electric screwdrivers and are excellent in terms of strength and ease of
driving. They do look a bit "industrial" though, so I usually rout a
flat-bottomed recess round the hole so that at least the head doesn't stand
proud of the surface.

Someone asked WHERE they would NOT be appropriate.  The only one I can

think of is where the screw heads are exposed in trim and inside woodwork,
where ONLY slotted brass screws with the slot oriented horizontally, are
the only obcessive-compulsive, anal retentive, only way to go,
period....end of storey !!!<<<

Not so! The true obsessive drills or routs an oversized recess round the
top of the fastener hole, drives in the screw or bolt, and then seals the
recess with a plug cut from matching wood (making sure that the grain
patterns line up of course) before finishing the plug flush with the
surface. Of course some use contrasting plugs to draw attention to their
work, but that's just vulgar showing off...

Regards, Robert Bryett
Sydney, Australia.
mailto:rbryett@ibm.net

>>>I strongly support a change to Robertson square drive screws for many of the reasons already stated in other posts.<<< Sadly there's no reasonably standard alternative to Phillips and slot heads down here. Hex drive (Allen key), Torx are expensive and limited in availability, especially in stainless steel. I don't think I've ever seen a square drive screw at all. I always said our Canadian cousins were smart (pity about the climate...). A growing trend here is screws with a bolt-style hex head designed for use with a hex socket driver. These are primarily intended for use with electric screwdrivers and are excellent in terms of strength and ease of driving. They do look a bit "industrial" though, so I usually rout a flat-bottomed recess round the hole so that at least the head doesn't stand proud of the surface. >>>Someone asked WHERE they would NOT be appropriate. The only one I can think of is where the screw heads are exposed in trim and inside woodwork, where ONLY slotted brass screws with the slot oriented horizontally, are the only obcessive-compulsive, anal retentive, only way to go, period....end of storey !!!<<< Not so! The true obsessive drills or routs an oversized recess round the top of the fastener hole, drives in the screw or bolt, and then seals the recess with a plug cut from matching wood (making sure that the grain patterns line up of course) before finishing the plug flush with the surface. Of course some use contrasting plugs to draw attention to their work, but that's just vulgar showing off... Regards, Robert Bryett Sydney, Australia. mailto:rbryett@ibm.net
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docmoss@tampabay.rr.com
Sun, Jan 7, 2001 1:56 PM

snip  > >>>Someone asked WHERE they would NOT be appropriate.  The only one
I can

think of is where the screw heads are exposed in trim and inside woodwork,

snip>>

I can think of another place where you might have problems removing the
robertson.  On a wood application where a plug over the screw might be
appropriate.  In installing the plugs glue or caulk of some kind is used and
usually, or quite often, fills the screw head slot or philips design head.
Cleaning out a robertson to get a screwdriver head into the screw might be a
monumental problems if you have a lot of them to remove.

docmoss

snip > >>>Someone asked WHERE they would NOT be appropriate. The only one I can > think of is where the screw heads are exposed in trim and inside woodwork, snip>> I can think of another place where you might have problems removing the robertson. On a wood application where a plug over the screw might be appropriate. In installing the plugs glue or caulk of some kind is used and usually, or quite often, fills the screw head slot or philips design head. Cleaning out a robertson to get a screwdriver head into the screw might be a monumental problems if you have a lot of them to remove. docmoss
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scaramouche@tvo.org
Sun, Jan 7, 2001 7:42 PM

In installing the plugs glue or caulk of some kind is used and
usually, or quite often, fills the screw head slot or philips design
head.
Cleaning out a robertson to get a screwdriver head into the screw
might be a
monumental problems if you have a lot of them to remove

Someone suggested filling the Robertson head with candle wax or soap
before installing the teak-plug. Haven't tried it, but it makes
sense....

docmoss@tampabay.rr.com writes: > In installing the plugs glue or caulk of some kind is used and >usually, or quite often, fills the screw head slot or philips design >head. >Cleaning out a robertson to get a screwdriver head into the screw >might be a >monumental problems if you have a lot of them to remove Someone suggested filling the Robertson head with candle wax or soap before installing the teak-plug. Haven't tried it, but it makes sense....
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docmoss@tampabay.rr.com
Sun, Jan 7, 2001 8:20 PM

That does make good sense.

domoss
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Geist" scaramouche@tvo.org
To: docmoss@tampabay.rr.com

In installing the plugs glue or caulk of some kind is used and
usually, or quite often, fills the screw head slot or philips design
head.
Cleaning out a robertson to get a screwdriver head into the screw
might be a
monumental problems if you have a lot of them to remove

Someone suggested filling the Robertson head with candle wax or soap
before installing the teak-plug. Haven't tried it, but it makes
sense....

That does make good sense. domoss ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Geist" <scaramouche@tvo.org> To: <docmoss@tampabay.rr.com> > docmoss@tampabay.rr.com writes: > > In installing the plugs glue or caulk of some kind is used and > >usually, or quite often, fills the screw head slot or philips design > >head. > >Cleaning out a robertson to get a screwdriver head into the screw > >might be a > >monumental problems if you have a lot of them to remove > > Someone suggested filling the Robertson head with candle wax or soap > before installing the teak-plug. Haven't tried it, but it makes > sense.... > >