Wed Night Series Standings

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Tony Martin afmartin@alumni.uchicago.edu
Thu, May 16, 2019 8:04 PM
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as of5/16/2019Spinnaker Division

# of Races2No ThrowoutsBoat NameEncoreHee SooImagine MoreMargaretRace Riot*SpiritThe OfficeStanding7314551Cumulative Score1254810104* Race Riot on Race Committee first two races, receives average score for those races, once she races and has an average to include.

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as of5/16/2019Non-Spinnaker Division

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JI
John Ivan Sutter, MD, MS
Thu, May 16, 2019 8:23 PM

As per The Rules of Sailing, I as a crew member am requesting a formal
redress for the results of the race on Wed, May 15, 2019. As per the
requirements for a formal redress, I brought the matter to the attention
of the Chair of the Race Committee at the conclusion of last nights race
regarding the alteration of the course as originally stated. A course
change can not be done by radio and must require the posting of the
appropriate flag for a course change and course shortening. This would
also necessitate the placement of a race patrol boat within clear sight
of the mark, Neither condition was fulfilled and thus the race committee
was in violation of the sailing instructions previously provided. This
is to serve as confirmation of the request for a formal redress and the
elimination of all results from the specified race on May 15th.
John Ivan Sutter

On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 04:04 PM, Tony Martin afmartin--- via
Cruisingfleet wrote:

Wednesday Night Series (Low Scoring)
as of5/16/2019
Spinnaker Division

of Races2No ThrowoutsBoat NameEncoreHee SooImagine MoreMargaretRace

RiotSpiritThe OfficeStanding7314551Cumulative Score1254810104 Race
Riot on Race Committee first two races, receives average score for those
races, once she races and has an average to include. 

Wednesday Night Series (Low Scoriing)
as of5/16/2019
Non-Spinnaker Division

of Races2No ThrowoutsBoat Name50/50AeolusDolceHudson

DragonJourneyMerry
ChasePentimentoShebaSpectraZoomStanding3189723396Cumulative
Score751517146771713


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As per The Rules of Sailing, I as a crew member am requesting a formal redress for the results of the race on Wed, May 15, 2019. As per the requirements for a formal redress, I brought the matter to the attention of the Chair of the Race Committee at the conclusion of last nights race regarding the alteration of the course as originally stated. A course change can not be done by radio and must require the posting of the appropriate flag for a course change and course shortening. This would also necessitate the placement of a race patrol boat within clear sight of the mark, Neither condition was fulfilled and thus the race committee was in violation of the sailing instructions previously provided. This is to serve as confirmation of the request for a formal redress and the elimination of all results from the specified race on May 15th. John Ivan Sutter On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 04:04 PM, Tony Martin afmartin--- via Cruisingfleet wrote: Wednesday Night Series (Low Scoring) as of5/16/2019 Spinnaker Division # of Races2No ThrowoutsBoat NameEncoreHee SooImagine MoreMargaretRace Riot*SpiritThe OfficeStanding7314551Cumulative Score1254810104* Race Riot on Race Committee first two races, receives average score for those races, once she races and has an average to include.  Wednesday Night Series (Low Scoriing) as of5/16/2019 Non-Spinnaker Division # of Races2No ThrowoutsBoat Name50/50AeolusDolceHudson DragonJourneyMerry ChasePentimentoShebaSpectraZoomStanding3189723396Cumulative Score751517146771713 _______________________________________________ Cruisingfleet mailing list Cruisingfleet@maillist.nyackboatclub.org http://maillist.nyackboatclub.org/mailman/listinfo/cruisingfleet_maillist.nyackboatclub.org <http://maillist.nyackboatclub.org/mailman/listinfo/cruisingfleet_maillist.nyackboatclub.org>
JI
John Ivan Sutter, MD, MS
Thu, May 16, 2019 9:04 PM
HR
Howard Rinehart
Thu, May 16, 2019 10:04 PM

Request denied,  you are 20 hours late.
Howie Rinehart, PRO

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From: Wednightracing wednightracing-bounces@maillist.nyackboatclub.org on behalf of John Ivan Sutter, MD, MS via Wednightracing wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2019 4:23:36 PM
To: Tony Martin (afmartin@alumni.uchicago.edu)
Cc: wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
Subject: Re: [CruisingFleetRacing] [Cruisingfleet] Wed Night Series Redress

As per The Rules of Sailing, I as a crew member am requesting a formal redress for the results of the race on Wed, May 15, 2019. As per the requirements for a formal redress, I brought the matter to the attention of the Chair of the Race Committee at the conclusion of last nights race regarding the alteration of the course as originally stated. A course change can not be done by radio and must require the posting of the appropriate flag for a course change and course shortening. This would also necessitate the placement of a race patrol boat within clear sight of the mark, Neither condition was fulfilled and thus the race committee was in violation of the sailing instructions previously provided. This is to serve as confirmation of the request for a formal redress and the elimination of all results from the specified race on May 15th.
John Ivan Sutter

On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 04:04 PM, Tony Martin afmartin--- via Cruisingfleet wrote:

Wednesday Night Series (Low Scoring)
as of  5/16/2019
Spinnaker Division
# of Races      2      No Throwouts
Boat Name      Encore  Hee Soo Imagine More    Margaret        Race Riot*      Spirit  The Office
Standing        7      3      1      4      5      5      1
Cumulative Score        12      5      4      8      10      10      4

  • Race Riot on Race Committee first two races, receives average score for those races, once she races and has an average to include.

Wednesday Night Series (Low Scoriing)
as of  5/16/2019
Non-Spinnaker Division
# of Races      2      No Throwouts
Boat Name      50/50  Aeolus  Dolce  Hudson Dragon  Journey Merry Chase    Pentimento      Sheba  Spectra Zoom
Standing        3      1      8      9      7      2      3      3      9      6
Cumulative Score        7      5      15      17      14      6      7      7      17      13



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Request denied, you are 20 hours late. Howie Rinehart, PRO Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> ________________________________ From: Wednightracing <wednightracing-bounces@maillist.nyackboatclub.org> on behalf of John Ivan Sutter, MD, MS via Wednightracing <wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2019 4:23:36 PM To: Tony Martin (afmartin@alumni.uchicago.edu) Cc: wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org Subject: Re: [CruisingFleetRacing] [Cruisingfleet] Wed Night Series Redress As per The Rules of Sailing, I as a crew member am requesting a formal redress for the results of the race on Wed, May 15, 2019. As per the requirements for a formal redress, I brought the matter to the attention of the Chair of the Race Committee at the conclusion of last nights race regarding the alteration of the course as originally stated. A course change can not be done by radio and must require the posting of the appropriate flag for a course change and course shortening. This would also necessitate the placement of a race patrol boat within clear sight of the mark, Neither condition was fulfilled and thus the race committee was in violation of the sailing instructions previously provided. This is to serve as confirmation of the request for a formal redress and the elimination of all results from the specified race on May 15th. John Ivan Sutter On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 04:04 PM, Tony Martin afmartin--- via Cruisingfleet wrote: Wednesday Night Series (Low Scoring) as of 5/16/2019 Spinnaker Division # of Races 2 No Throwouts Boat Name Encore Hee Soo Imagine More Margaret Race Riot* Spirit The Office Standing 7 3 1 4 5 5 1 Cumulative Score 12 5 4 8 10 10 4 * Race Riot on Race Committee first two races, receives average score for those races, once she races and has an average to include. Wednesday Night Series (Low Scoriing) as of 5/16/2019 Non-Spinnaker Division # of Races 2 No Throwouts Boat Name 50/50 Aeolus Dolce Hudson Dragon Journey Merry Chase Pentimento Sheba Spectra Zoom Standing 3 1 8 9 7 2 3 3 9 6 Cumulative Score 7 5 15 17 14 6 7 7 17 13 ________________________________ _______________________________________________ Cruisingfleet mailing list Cruisingfleet@maillist.nyackboatclub.org http://maillist.nyackboatclub.org/mailman/listinfo/cruisingfleet_maillist.nyackboatclub.org<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmaillist.nyackboatclub.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fcruisingfleet_maillist.nyackboatclub.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf3d3430490d740be6db208d6da3c7a0b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636936350612495104&sdata=YqRBPqoXS%2FniTWg%2Btoq5EHqAyank9o98VW1JyezHaSE%3D&reserved=0>
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BRACKEN
Thu, May 16, 2019 10:50 PM

Attaboy, Howie.

On May 16, 2019 at 6:04 PM Howard Rinehart via Wednightracing wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org wrote:

 Request denied,  you are 20 hours late.
 Howie Rinehart, PRO

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 From: Wednightracing <wednightracing-bounces@maillist.nyackboatclub.org> on behalf of John Ivan Sutter, MD, MS via Wednightracing <wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org>
 Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2019 4:23:36 PM
 To: Tony Martin (afmartin@alumni.uchicago.edu)
 Cc: wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
 Subject: Re: [CruisingFleetRacing] [Cruisingfleet] Wed Night Series Redress
  

 As per The Rules of Sailing, I as a crew member am requesting a formal redress for the results of the race on Wed, May 15, 2019. As per the requirements for a formal redress, I brought the matter to the attention of the Chair of the Race Committee at the conclusion of last nights race regarding the alteration of the course as originally stated. A course change can not be done by radio and must require the posting of the appropriate flag for a course change and course shortening. This would also necessitate the placement of a race patrol boat within clear sight of the mark, Neither condition was fulfilled and thus the race committee was in violation of the sailing instructions previously provided. This is to serve as confirmation of the request for a formal redress and the elimination of all results from the specified race on May 15th.
 John Ivan Sutter

 On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 04:04 PM, Tony Martin afmartin--- via Cruisingfleet wrote:
     Wednesday Night Series (Low Scoring)
     as of 	 5/16/2019 	 	 	 	
     Spinnaker Division
     # of Races 	 2 	 No Throwouts 	 	 	
     Boat Name 	 Encore 	 Hee Soo 	 Imagine More 	 Margaret 	 Race Riot* 	 Spirit 	 The Office
     Standing 	 7 	 3 	 1 	 4 	 5 	 5 	 1
     Cumulative Score 	 12 	 5 	 4 	 8 	 10 	 10 	 4
     * Race Riot on Race Committee first two races, receives average score for those races, once she races and has an average to include. 

     Wednesday Night Series (Low Scoriing)
     as of 	 5/16/2019 	 	 	 	 	 	 	
     Non-Spinnaker Division
     # of Races 	 2 	 No Throwouts 	 	 	 	 	 	
     Boat Name 	 50/50 	 Aeolus 	 Dolce 	 Hudson Dragon 	 Journey 	 Merry Chase 	 Pentimento 	 Sheba 	 Spectra 	 Zoom
     Standing 	 3 	 1 	 8 	 9 	 7 	 2 	 3 	 3 	 9 	 6
     Cumulative Score 	 7 	 5 	 15 	 17 	 14 	 6 	 7 	 7 	 17 	 13
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Attaboy, Howie. > On May 16, 2019 at 6:04 PM Howard Rinehart via Wednightracing <wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org> wrote: > > Request denied, you are 20 hours late. > Howie Rinehart, PRO > > Get Outlook for iOS https://aka.ms/o0ukef > > --------------------------------------------- > From: Wednightracing <wednightracing-bounces@maillist.nyackboatclub.org> on behalf of John Ivan Sutter, MD, MS via Wednightracing <wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org> > Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2019 4:23:36 PM > To: Tony Martin (afmartin@alumni.uchicago.edu) > Cc: wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org > Subject: Re: [CruisingFleetRacing] [Cruisingfleet] Wed Night Series Redress > > > As per The Rules of Sailing, I as a crew member am requesting a formal redress for the results of the race on Wed, May 15, 2019. As per the requirements for a formal redress, I brought the matter to the attention of the Chair of the Race Committee at the conclusion of last nights race regarding the alteration of the course as originally stated. A course change can not be done by radio and must require the posting of the appropriate flag for a course change and course shortening. This would also necessitate the placement of a race patrol boat within clear sight of the mark, Neither condition was fulfilled and thus the race committee was in violation of the sailing instructions previously provided. This is to serve as confirmation of the request for a formal redress and the elimination of all results from the specified race on May 15th. > John Ivan Sutter > > On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 04:04 PM, Tony Martin afmartin--- via Cruisingfleet wrote: > > > > > > > Wednesday Night Series (Low Scoring) > > as of 5/16/2019 > > Spinnaker Division > > # of Races 2 No Throwouts > > Boat Name Encore Hee Soo Imagine More Margaret Race Riot* Spirit The Office > > Standing 7 3 1 4 5 5 1 > > Cumulative Score 12 5 4 8 10 10 4 > > * Race Riot on Race Committee first two races, receives average score for those races, once she races and has an average to include. > > > > Wednesday Night Series (Low Scoriing) > > as of 5/16/2019 > > Non-Spinnaker Division > > # of Races 2 No Throwouts > > Boat Name 50/50 Aeolus Dolce Hudson Dragon Journey Merry Chase Pentimento Sheba Spectra Zoom > > Standing 3 1 8 9 7 2 3 3 9 6 > > Cumulative Score 7 5 15 17 14 6 7 7 17 13 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > > Cruisingfleet mailing list > > Cruisingfleet@maillist.nyackboatclub.org > > http://maillist.nyackboatclub.org/mailman/listinfo/cruisingfleet_maillist.nyackboatclub.org https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmaillist.nyackboatclub.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fcruisingfleet_maillist.nyackboatclub.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf3d3430490d740be6db208d6da3c7a0b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636936350612495104&sdata=YqRBPqoXS%2FniTWg%2Btoq5EHqAyank9o98VW1JyezHaSE%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wednightracing mailing list > Wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org > http://maillist.nyackboatclub.org/mailman/listinfo/wednightracing_maillist.nyackboatclub.org >
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BRACKEN
Thu, May 16, 2019 10:57 PM

What Dr. Sutter fails to mention in his Protest form is critical: how his finishing position in the race was made "significantly worse"by the action of the race committee.

On May 16, 2019 at 6:50 PM BRACKEN via Wednightracing wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org wrote:

 Attaboy, Howie.

On May 16, 2019 at 6:04 PM Howard Rinehart via Wednightracing wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org wrote:

     Request denied,  you are 20 hours late.
     Howie Rinehart, PRO

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     From: Wednightracing <wednightracing-bounces@maillist.nyackboatclub.org> on behalf of John Ivan Sutter, MD, MS via Wednightracing <wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org>
     Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2019 4:23:36 PM
     To: Tony Martin (afmartin@alumni.uchicago.edu)
     Cc: wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
     Subject: Re: [CruisingFleetRacing] [Cruisingfleet] Wed Night Series Redress
      

     As per The Rules of Sailing, I as a crew member am requesting a formal redress for the results of the race on Wed, May 15, 2019. As per the requirements for a formal redress, I brought the matter to the attention of the Chair of the Race Committee at the conclusion of last nights race regarding the alteration of the course as originally stated. A course change can not be done by radio and must require the posting of the appropriate flag for a course change and course shortening. This would also necessitate the placement of a race patrol boat within clear sight of the mark, Neither condition was fulfilled and thus the race committee was in violation of the sailing instructions previously provided. This is to serve as confirmation of the request for a formal redress and the elimination of all results from the specified race on May 15th.
     John Ivan Sutter

     On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 04:04 PM, Tony Martin afmartin--- via Cruisingfleet wrote:
         Wednesday Night Series (Low Scoring)
         as of 	 5/16/2019 	 	 	 	
         Spinnaker Division
         # of Races 	 2 	 No Throwouts 	 	 	
         Boat Name 	 Encore 	 Hee Soo 	 Imagine More 	 Margaret 	 Race Riot* 	 Spirit 	 The Office
         Standing 	 7 	 3 	 1 	 4 	 5 	 5 	 1
         Cumulative Score 	 12 	 5 	 4 	 8 	 10 	 10 	 4
         * Race Riot on Race Committee first two races, receives average score for those races, once she races and has an average to include. 

         Wednesday Night Series (Low Scoriing)
         as of 	 5/16/2019 	 	 	 	 	 	 	
         Non-Spinnaker Division
         # of Races 	 2 	 No Throwouts 	 	 	 	 	 	
         Boat Name 	 50/50 	 Aeolus 	 Dolce 	 Hudson Dragon 	 Journey 	 Merry Chase 	 Pentimento 	 Sheba 	 Spectra 	 Zoom
         Standing 	 3 	 1 	 8 	 9 	 7 	 2 	 3 	 3 	 9 	 6
         Cumulative Score 	 7 	 5 	 15 	 17 	 14 	 6 	 7 	 7 	 17 	 13
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What Dr. Sutter fails to mention in his Protest form is critical: how his finishing position in the race was made "significantly worse"by the action of the race committee. > On May 16, 2019 at 6:50 PM BRACKEN via Wednightracing <wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org> wrote: > > Attaboy, Howie. > > > > > On May 16, 2019 at 6:04 PM Howard Rinehart via Wednightracing <wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org> wrote: > > > > Request denied, you are 20 hours late. > > Howie Rinehart, PRO > > > > Get Outlook for iOS https://aka.ms/o0ukef > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > From: Wednightracing <wednightracing-bounces@maillist.nyackboatclub.org> on behalf of John Ivan Sutter, MD, MS via Wednightracing <wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org> > > Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2019 4:23:36 PM > > To: Tony Martin (afmartin@alumni.uchicago.edu) > > Cc: wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org > > Subject: Re: [CruisingFleetRacing] [Cruisingfleet] Wed Night Series Redress > > > > > > As per The Rules of Sailing, I as a crew member am requesting a formal redress for the results of the race on Wed, May 15, 2019. As per the requirements for a formal redress, I brought the matter to the attention of the Chair of the Race Committee at the conclusion of last nights race regarding the alteration of the course as originally stated. A course change can not be done by radio and must require the posting of the appropriate flag for a course change and course shortening. This would also necessitate the placement of a race patrol boat within clear sight of the mark, Neither condition was fulfilled and thus the race committee was in violation of the sailing instructions previously provided. This is to serve as confirmation of the request for a formal redress and the elimination of all results from the specified race on May 15th. > > John Ivan Sutter > > > > On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 04:04 PM, Tony Martin afmartin--- via Cruisingfleet wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday Night Series (Low Scoring) > > > as of 5/16/2019 > > > Spinnaker Division > > > # of Races 2 No Throwouts > > > Boat Name Encore Hee Soo Imagine More Margaret Race Riot* Spirit The Office > > > Standing 7 3 1 4 5 5 1 > > > Cumulative Score 12 5 4 8 10 10 4 > > > * Race Riot on Race Committee first two races, receives average score for those races, once she races and has an average to include. > > > > > > Wednesday Night Series (Low Scoriing) > > > as of 5/16/2019 > > > Non-Spinnaker Division > > > # of Races 2 No Throwouts > > > Boat Name 50/50 Aeolus Dolce Hudson Dragon Journey Merry Chase Pentimento Sheba Spectra Zoom > > > Standing 3 1 8 9 7 2 3 3 9 6 > > > Cumulative Score 7 5 15 17 14 6 7 7 17 13 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Cruisingfleet mailing list > > > Cruisingfleet@maillist.nyackboatclub.org > > > http://maillist.nyackboatclub.org/mailman/listinfo/cruisingfleet_maillist.nyackboatclub.org https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmaillist.nyackboatclub.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fcruisingfleet_maillist.nyackboatclub.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf3d3430490d740be6db208d6da3c7a0b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636936350612495104&sdata=YqRBPqoXS%2FniTWg%2Btoq5EHqAyank9o98VW1JyezHaSE%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wednightracing mailing list > > Wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org > > http://maillist.nyackboatclub.org/mailman/listinfo/wednightracing_maillist.nyackboatclub.org > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wednightracing mailing list > Wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org > http://maillist.nyackboatclub.org/mailman/listinfo/wednightracing_maillist.nyackboatclub.org >
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Lee
Thu, May 16, 2019 11:35 PM

John,

Please read the NBC Wednesday Night Sailing Instructions. Local Sailing Instructions supersede the U.S. Racing Rules of Sailing.

RULE 1

The series will be governed by the rules as defined in The Racing Rules of Sailing.

Rule 12 - CHANGING THE NEXT LEG OF THE COURSE

Changes of course will be announced on VHF. There will be separate announcements for each fleet. This changes RRS 33.

Lee

From: Wednightracing [mailto:wednightracing-bounces@maillist.nyackboatclub.org] On Behalf Of John Ivan Sutter, MD, MS via Wednightracing
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2019 4:24 PM
To: Tony Martin (afmartin@alumni.uchicago.edu)
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Subject: Re: [CruisingFleetRacing] [Cruisingfleet] Wed Night Series Redress

As per The Rules of Sailing, I as a crew member am requesting a formal redress for the results of the race on Wed, May 15, 2019. As per the requirements for a formal redress, I brought the matter to the attention of the Chair of the Race Committee at the conclusion of last nights race regarding the alteration of the course as originally stated. A course change can not be done by radio and must require the posting of the appropriate flag for a course change and course shortening. This would also necessitate the placement of a race patrol boat within clear sight of the mark, Neither condition was fulfilled and thus the race committee was in violation of the sailing instructions previously provided. This is to serve as confirmation of the request for a formal redress and the elimination of all results from the specified race on May 15th.

John Ivan Sutter

On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 04:04 PM, Tony Martin afmartin--- via Cruisingfleet wrote:

Wednesday Night Series (Low Scoring)

	as of

5/16/2019

Spinnaker Division

	# of Races

2

No Throwouts

Boat Name

Encore

Hee Soo

Imagine More

Margaret

Race Riot*

Spirit

The Office

Standing

7

3

1

4

5

5

1

Cumulative Score

12

5

4

8

10

10

4

  • Race Riot on Race Committee first two races, receives average score for those races, once she races and has an average to include.

Wednesday Night Series (Low Scoriing)

	as of

5/16/2019

Non-Spinnaker Division

	# of Races

2

No Throwouts

Boat Name

50/50

Aeolus

Dolce

Hudson Dragon

Journey

Merry Chase

Pentimento

Sheba

Spectra

Zoom

Standing

3

1

8

9

7

2

3

3

9

6

Cumulative Score

7

5

15

17

14

6

7

7

17

13



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John, Please read the NBC Wednesday Night Sailing Instructions. Local Sailing Instructions supersede the U.S. Racing Rules of Sailing. RULE 1 The series will be governed by the rules as defined in The Racing Rules of Sailing. Rule 12 - CHANGING THE NEXT LEG OF THE COURSE Changes of course will be announced on VHF. There will be separate announcements for each fleet. This changes RRS 33. Lee From: Wednightracing [mailto:wednightracing-bounces@maillist.nyackboatclub.org] On Behalf Of John Ivan Sutter, MD, MS via Wednightracing Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2019 4:24 PM To: Tony Martin (afmartin@alumni.uchicago.edu) Cc: wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org Subject: Re: [CruisingFleetRacing] [Cruisingfleet] Wed Night Series Redress As per The Rules of Sailing, I as a crew member am requesting a formal redress for the results of the race on Wed, May 15, 2019. As per the requirements for a formal redress, I brought the matter to the attention of the Chair of the Race Committee at the conclusion of last nights race regarding the alteration of the course as originally stated. A course change can not be done by radio and must require the posting of the appropriate flag for a course change and course shortening. This would also necessitate the placement of a race patrol boat within clear sight of the mark, Neither condition was fulfilled and thus the race committee was in violation of the sailing instructions previously provided. This is to serve as confirmation of the request for a formal redress and the elimination of all results from the specified race on May 15th. John Ivan Sutter On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 04:04 PM, Tony Martin afmartin--- via Cruisingfleet wrote: Wednesday Night Series (Low Scoring) as of 5/16/2019 Spinnaker Division # of Races 2 No Throwouts Boat Name Encore Hee Soo Imagine More Margaret Race Riot* Spirit The Office Standing 7 3 1 4 5 5 1 Cumulative Score 12 5 4 8 10 10 4 * Race Riot on Race Committee first two races, receives average score for those races, once she races and has an average to include. Wednesday Night Series (Low Scoriing) as of 5/16/2019 Non-Spinnaker Division # of Races 2 No Throwouts Boat Name 50/50 Aeolus Dolce Hudson Dragon Journey Merry Chase Pentimento Sheba Spectra Zoom Standing 3 1 8 9 7 2 3 3 9 6 Cumulative Score 7 5 15 17 14 6 7 7 17 13 _____ _______________________________________________ Cruisingfleet mailing list Cruisingfleet@maillist.nyackboatclub.org http://maillist.nyackboatclub.org/mailman/listinfo/cruisingfleet_maillist.nyackboatclub.org
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Richie Stark
Fri, May 17, 2019 2:18 AM

Right on Howie.  Keep it safe, keep it simple and keep it FUN.

Richie

On 5/16/19 6:04 PM, Howard Rinehart via Wednightracing wrote:

Request denied,  you are 20 hours late.
Howie Rinehart, PRO

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Ivan Sutter, MD, MS via Wednightracing
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Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2019 4:23:36 PM
To: Tony Martin (afmartin@alumni.uchicago.edu)
Cc: wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
Subject: Re: [CruisingFleetRacing] [Cruisingfleet] Wed Night Series
Redress

As per The Rules of Sailing, I as a crew member am requesting a formal
redress for the results of the race on Wed, May 15, 2019. As per the
requirements for a formal redress, I brought the matter to the
attention of the Chair of the Race Committee at the conclusion of last
nights race regarding the alteration of the course as originally
stated. A course change can not be done by radio and must require the
posting of the appropriate flag for a course change and course
shortening. This would also necessitate the placement of a race patrol
boat within clear sight of the mark, Neither condition was fulfilled
and thus the race committee was in violation of the sailing
instructions previously provided. This is to serve as confirmation of
the request for a formal redress and the elimination of all results
from the specified race on May 15th.
John Ivan Sutter

On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 04:04 PM, Tony Martin afmartin--- via
Cruisingfleet wrote:

 Wednesday Night Series (Low Scoring)
 	
 	
 	as of 	5/16/2019 	
 	
 	
 	
 Spinnaker Division
 	
 	
 	# of Races 	*2* 	No Throwouts 	
 	
 	

 	Boat Name 	Encore 	Hee Soo 	Imagine More 	Margaret 	Race Riot*
 Spirit 	The Office

 	Standing 	7 	3 	1 	4 	5 	5 	1

 	Cumulative Score 	12 	5 	4 	8 	10 	10 	4

 * Race Riot on Race Committee first two races, receives average
 score for those races, once she races and has an average to include.

 Wednesday Night Series (Low Scoriing)
 	
 	
 	*as of* 	*5/16/2019* 	
 	
 	
 	
 	
 	
 	
 *Non-Spinnaker Division*
 	
 	
 	*# of Races* 	*2* 	*No Throwout*s 	
 	
 	
 	
 	
 	

 	Boat Name 	50/50 	Aeolus 	Dolce 	Hudson Dragon 	Journey 	Merry
 Chase 	Pentimento 	Sheba 	Spectra 	Zoom

 	Standing 	3 	1 	8 	9 	7 	2 	3 	3 	9 	6

 	Cumulative Score 	7 	5 	15 	17 	14 	6 	7 	7 	17 	13


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Right on Howie.  Keep it safe, keep it simple and keep it FUN. Richie On 5/16/19 6:04 PM, Howard Rinehart via Wednightracing wrote: > Request denied,  you are 20 hours late. > Howie Rinehart, PRO > > Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Wednightracing > <wednightracing-bounces@maillist.nyackboatclub.org> on behalf of John > Ivan Sutter, MD, MS via Wednightracing > <wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org> > *Sent:* Thursday, May 16, 2019 4:23:36 PM > *To:* Tony Martin (afmartin@alumni.uchicago.edu) > *Cc:* wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org > *Subject:* Re: [CruisingFleetRacing] [Cruisingfleet] Wed Night Series > Redress > > As per The Rules of Sailing, I as a crew member am requesting a formal > redress for the results of the race on Wed, May 15, 2019. As per the > requirements for a formal redress, I brought the matter to the > attention of the Chair of the Race Committee at the conclusion of last > nights race regarding the alteration of the course as originally > stated. A course change can not be done by radio and must require the > posting of the appropriate flag for a course change and course > shortening. This would also necessitate the placement of a race patrol > boat within clear sight of the mark, Neither condition was fulfilled > and thus the race committee was in violation of the sailing > instructions previously provided. This is to serve as confirmation of > the request for a formal redress and the elimination of all results > from the specified race on May 15th. > John Ivan Sutter > > On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 04:04 PM, Tony Martin afmartin--- via > Cruisingfleet wrote: > > > Wednesday Night Series (Low Scoring) > > > as of 5/16/2019 > > > > Spinnaker Division > > > # of Races *2* No Throwouts > > > > Boat Name Encore Hee Soo Imagine More Margaret Race Riot* > Spirit The Office > > Standing 7 3 1 4 5 5 1 > > Cumulative Score 12 5 4 8 10 10 4 > > * Race Riot on Race Committee first two races, receives average > score for those races, once she races and has an average to include. > > Wednesday Night Series (Low Scoriing) > > > *as of* *5/16/2019* > > > > > > > *Non-Spinnaker Division* > > > *# of Races* *2* *No Throwout*s > > > > > > > Boat Name 50/50 Aeolus Dolce Hudson Dragon Journey Merry > Chase Pentimento Sheba Spectra Zoom > > Standing 3 1 8 9 7 2 3 3 9 6 > > Cumulative Score 7 5 15 17 14 6 7 7 17 13 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Cruisingfleet mailing list > Cruisingfleet@maillist.nyackboatclub.org > http://maillist.nyackboatclub.org/mailman/listinfo/cruisingfleet_maillist.nyackboatclub.org > <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmaillist.nyackboatclub.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fcruisingfleet_maillist.nyackboatclub.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf3d3430490d740be6db208d6da3c7a0b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636936350612495104&sdata=YqRBPqoXS%2FniTWg%2Btoq5EHqAyank9o98VW1JyezHaSE%3D&reserved=0> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wednightracing mailing list > Wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org > http://maillist.nyackboatclub.org/mailman/listinfo/wednightracing_maillist.nyackboatclub.org
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John Sheehan
Fri, May 17, 2019 2:23 AM

Wednesday night racers,

As mentioned by Howie and Eric, this request for redress came too late.
Also, I believe the RC properly announced the change in course.
Explanation is below.  I also wrote a little speech about  racer conduct on
VHF 78.

Protests, including protests against the Race Committee, must be made
within one hour after the RC boat reaches her mooring.

Course changes
Our SIs allow the RC to announce course changes on VHF Channel 78.  The RC
did this properly, since the change was announced before any boat rounded
Mark C.

I was fortunate to be corresponding with a representative from US Sailing
about our SIs, so I asked about last night's situation.  Here is their
answer:

Technically, the current SIs allow the PRO to verbally change the next leg
of the course.  Verbal changes are NOT recommended for many reasons we can
discuss in June.  The verbal change MUST follow RRS 33 – the announcement
MUST be made to ALL boats before they begin the changed leg. The hail
should include bearing to the new mark and an indication if the leg length
has been changed.  IF all of this was not properly done (the hail was not
done in a timely fashion and all of the required information was not
provided) AND a boat was significantly disadvantaged, that boat  can
request redress.

While US Sailing isn't in favor of verbal changes, Howie and the RC met the
above criteria, and properly changed the course.

Racer conduct on VHF
The purpose of VHF 78 is for checking in, RC communication with racers,
alerting racers of emergencies or potential danger, and perhaps asking RC a
question which they have no obligation to answer.  It is not a format for
racers to give running commentary and recommendations to the race
committee.  I think that some of last night's behavior on VHF could be
deemed misconduct, defined by 69.1(b)(1) as ". . .conduct that is a breach
of good manners. . ."

So let's conduct ourselves with good manners on VHF so your fellow
competitors don't feel compelled to turn it off.

And let's file protests on time, and have fun!

John Sheehan
Chair, Race Committee
Nyack Boat Club

On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 6:03 PM John Ivan Sutter, MD, MS via Wednightracing
wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org wrote:

Wednesday night racers, As mentioned by Howie and Eric, this request for redress came too late. Also, I believe the RC properly announced the change in course. Explanation is below. I also wrote a little speech about racer conduct on VHF 78. *Protests*, including protests against the Race Committee, must be made within one hour after the RC boat reaches her mooring. *Course changes* Our SIs allow the RC to announce course changes on VHF Channel 78. The RC did this properly, since the change was announced before any boat rounded Mark C. I was fortunate to be corresponding with a representative from US Sailing about our SIs, so I asked about last night's situation. Here is their answer: *Technically, the current SIs allow the PRO to verbally change the next leg of the course. Verbal changes are NOT recommended for many reasons we can discuss in June. The verbal change MUST follow RRS 33 – the announcement MUST be made to ALL boats before they begin the changed leg. The hail should include bearing to the new mark and an indication if the leg length has been changed. IF all of this was not properly done (the hail was not done in a timely fashion and all of the required information was not provided) AND a boat was significantly disadvantaged, that boat can request redress.* While US Sailing isn't in favor of verbal changes, Howie and the RC met the above criteria, and properly changed the course. *Racer conduct on VHF* The purpose of VHF 78 is for checking in, RC communication with racers, alerting racers of emergencies or potential danger, and perhaps asking RC a question which they have no obligation to answer. It is not a format for racers to give running commentary and recommendations to the race committee. I think that some of last night's behavior on VHF could be deemed misconduct, defined by 69.1(b)(1) as ". . .conduct that is a breach of good manners. . ." So let's conduct ourselves with good manners on VHF so your fellow competitors don't feel compelled to turn it off. And let's file protests on time, and have fun! John Sheehan Chair, Race Committee Nyack Boat Club On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 6:03 PM John Ivan Sutter, MD, MS via Wednightracing <wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org> wrote: > > > _______________________________________________ > Wednightracing mailing list > Wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org > > http://maillist.nyackboatclub.org/mailman/listinfo/wednightracing_maillist.nyackboatclub.org >
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Marco Moretti
Fri, May 17, 2019 5:30 AM

Thank you John.
Interesting subject.

From a purely academic perspective I note the following:

The NBC wednesday  SI 18.4 State: 'All boats must have a working VHF radio and monitor it for announcements from the RC, OCS, abandonment and change of course will be announced by VHF.
The same SI at 19.1 state: "All communications to and from the RC shall be on VHF channel 78."
It appears that the sum of the two rules (one VHF +  request  to monitor channel 78)  induces  racers to disregard Coast Guard Regulations which state:
Radio Watchkeeping Regulations
In general, any vessel equipped with a VHF marine radiotelephone (whether voluntarily or required to) must maintain a watch on channel 16 (156.800 MHz) whenever the radiotelephone is not being used to communicate.
Source: FCC 47 CFR §§ 80.148, 80.310, NTIA Manual 8.2.29.6.c(2)(e), ITU RR 31.18, 52.244
I see the logic of the CG and  FCC  regulations beyond the legal requirement  and I can imagine  the danger of following the SI as it pertains to "communication"  while racing: What would happen, for example, if a tug-barge coming down the channel has a breakdown, its captain sends a Pon-Pon to all station on channel 16 and makes an unexpected maneuver in front of a bunch of sailors blissfully ignorant of the issue while they are monitoring CH 78 for "Changes" and other inconsequential communication? 
I reflect upon these issues as I am getting ready to coach two new members of the club  to race in our fleets, hopefully in the safest way possible.  The hailing frequency on the Hudson and the rest of the world is Channel 16. I think the inducement to monitor anything else  is potentially imprudent.
My two cents.
Thank you and regards.

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On Thursday, May 16, 2019, 10:23:58 PM EDT, John Sheehan via Wednightracing <wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org> wrote:  

Wednesday night racers,
As mentioned by Howie and Eric, this request for redress came too late.  Also, I believe the RC properly announced the change in course.  Explanation is below.  I also wrote a little speech about  racer conduct on VHF 78.
Protests, including protests against the Race Committee, must be made within one hour after the RC boat reaches her mooring.
Course changesOur SIs allow the RC to announce course changes on VHF Channel 78.  The RC did this properly, since the change was announced before any boat rounded Mark C.  
I was fortunate to be corresponding with a representative from US Sailing about our SIs, so I asked about last night's situation.  Here is their answer:
Technically, the current SIs allow the PRO to verbally change the next leg of the course.  Verbal changes are NOT recommended for many reasons we can discuss in June.  The verbal change MUST follow RRS 33 – the announcement MUST be made to ALL boats before they begin the changed leg. The hail should include bearing to the new mark and an indication if the leg length has been changed.  IF all of this was not properly done (the hail was not done in a timely fashion and all of the required information was not provided) AND a boat was significantly disadvantaged, that boat  can request redress.
While US Sailing isn't in favor of verbal changes, Howie and the RC met the above criteria, and properly changed the course. 
Racer conduct on VHFThe purpose of VHF 78 is for checking in, RC communication with racers, alerting racers of emergencies or potential danger, and perhaps asking RC a question which they have no obligation to answer.  It is not a format for racers to give running commentary and recommendations to the race committee.  I think that some of last night's behavior on VHF could be deemed misconduct, defined by 69.1(b)(1) as ". . .conduct that is a breach of good manners. . ."
So let's conduct ourselves with good manners on VHF so your fellow competitors don't feel compelled to turn it off.  
And let's file protests on time, and have fun!
John SheehanChair, Race CommitteeNyack Boat Club

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Thank you John. Interesting subject. >From a purely academic perspective I note the following: The NBC wednesday  SI 18.4 State: 'All boats must have a working VHF radio and monitor it for announcements from the RC, OCS, abandonment and change of course will be announced by VHF. The same SI at 19.1 state: "All communications to and from the RC shall be on VHF channel 78." It appears that the sum of the two rules (one VHF +  request  to monitor channel 78)  induces  racers to disregard Coast Guard Regulations which state: Radio Watchkeeping Regulations In general, any vessel equipped with a VHF marine radiotelephone (whether voluntarily or required to) must maintain a watch on channel 16 (156.800 MHz) whenever the radiotelephone is not being used to communicate. Source: FCC 47 CFR §§ 80.148, 80.310, NTIA Manual 8.2.29.6.c(2)(e), ITU RR 31.18, 52.244 I see the logic of the CG and  FCC  regulations beyond the legal requirement  and I can imagine  the danger of following the SI as it pertains to "communication"  while racing: What would happen, for example, if a tug-barge coming down the channel has a breakdown, its captain sends a Pon-Pon to all station on channel 16 and makes an unexpected maneuver in front of a bunch of sailors blissfully ignorant of the issue while they are monitoring CH 78 for "Changes" and other inconsequential communication?  I reflect upon these issues as I am getting ready to coach two new members of the club  to race in our fleets, hopefully in the safest way possible.  The hailing frequency on the Hudson and the rest of the world is Channel 16. I think the inducement to monitor anything else  is potentially imprudent. My two cents. Thank you and regards. The contents of this e-mail message and any files andattachments are confidential and are intended solely for addressee. Theinformation may also be legally privileged. This transmission is sent in trust,for the sole purpose of delivery to the intended recipient. If you havereceived this transmission in error, any use, reproduction or dissemination ofthis transmission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intendedrecipient, please immediately notify the sender by reply e-mail or phone anddelete this message and its attachments, if any. On Thursday, May 16, 2019, 10:23:58 PM EDT, John Sheehan via Wednightracing <wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org> wrote: Wednesday night racers, As mentioned by Howie and Eric, this request for redress came too late.  Also, I believe the RC properly announced the change in course.  Explanation is below.  I also wrote a little speech about  racer conduct on VHF 78. Protests, including protests against the Race Committee, must be made within one hour after the RC boat reaches her mooring. Course changesOur SIs allow the RC to announce course changes on VHF Channel 78.  The RC did this properly, since the change was announced before any boat rounded Mark C.   I was fortunate to be corresponding with a representative from US Sailing about our SIs, so I asked about last night's situation.  Here is their answer: Technically, the current SIs allow the PRO to verbally change the next leg of the course.  Verbal changes are NOT recommended for many reasons we can discuss in June.  The verbal change MUST follow RRS 33 – the announcement MUST be made to ALL boats before they begin the changed leg. The hail should include bearing to the new mark and an indication if the leg length has been changed.  IF all of this was not properly done (the hail was not done in a timely fashion and all of the required information was not provided) AND a boat was significantly disadvantaged, that boat  can request redress. While US Sailing isn't in favor of verbal changes, Howie and the RC met the above criteria, and properly changed the course.  Racer conduct on VHFThe purpose of VHF 78 is for checking in, RC communication with racers, alerting racers of emergencies or potential danger, and perhaps asking RC a question which they have no obligation to answer.  It is not a format for racers to give running commentary and recommendations to the race committee.  I think that some of last night's behavior on VHF could be deemed misconduct, defined by 69.1(b)(1) as ". . .conduct that is a breach of good manners. . ." So let's conduct ourselves with good manners on VHF so your fellow competitors don't feel compelled to turn it off.   And let's file protests on time, and have fun! John SheehanChair, Race CommitteeNyack Boat Club On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 6:03 PM John Ivan Sutter, MD, MS via Wednightracing <wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org> wrote: _______________________________________________ Wednightracing mailing list Wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org http://maillist.nyackboatclub.org/mailman/listinfo/wednightracing_maillist.nyackboatclub.org _______________________________________________ Wednightracing mailing list Wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org http://maillist.nyackboatclub.org/mailman/listinfo/wednightracing_maillist.nyackboatclub.org