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Re: [time-nuts] Lost GPS lock or 1PPS recently?

WH
William H. Fite
Sun, Sep 9, 2018 1:48 AM

We sound like we could be cousins, Scott. When we bought our current house,
I discovered that the previous owner had built a Faraday cage in a small
room off the basement. I put all my stuff in there. I also have a generator
with magneto ignition so I should be good to go when the end-of-the-world
arrives.

On Saturday, September 8, 2018, Scott McGrath scmcgrath@gmail.com wrote:

Actually

I do have much of my equipment inside a shield room,  not for tinfoil hat
reasons but to keep experimental systems from causing interference and to
eliminate existing RF sources in the 800 Mhz to 8 Ghz range as error
sources in measurements.

If one is concerned there are lots of old screen rooms coming up for sale
on e-bay as WiFi manufacturers prepare to dip their toes into bands above
10 Ghz and many of the old ones were only good to 6-8 Ghz.

As to backup generators I have a modern one and an ‘old school’
mechanically governed one with magneto ignition.    I keep that one mainly
because i like its Art Deco design.    Sometimes bring it to local Ag Fair
to display among the gear from that era.

Content by Scott
Typos by Siri

On Sep 8, 2018, at 8:11 PM, William H. Fite omniryx@gmail.com wrote:

<Donning asbestos underwear>

Gentlemen, I've found this discussion interesting and informative. This
household works on quantum information theory rather than engineering so
there is much for us to learn.

I must observe that if an event takes out the entire GPS system (which a
Carrington event would not do) we will have issues a great deal more
immediate and pressing than getting hyper-precise timing systems restored.

And speaking of Carrington events, how many of us have our equipment
surrounded by Faraday cages and supplied with off-grid power? Because
without those, we won't have instruments to measure T&F at home or even in
a great many labs and businesses.

Just a thought.....

On Saturday, September 8, 2018, Dana Whitlow k8yumdoober@gmail.com

wrote:

I argue that when the "big one" happens, getting back to where we are
technologically
will be in large part a bootstrapping kind of affair.  And I believe that
starting off with
WWV* will be a far better starting point than starting with sun clocks

and

dripping
water.

Dana

On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 5:54 PM, Ruslan Nabioullin <rnabioullin@gmail.com

wrote:

On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 8:32 PM Bob kb8tq kb8tq@n1k.org wrote:

This is Time Nuts, not end of the world nuts …..
...
I think we’ve all heard plenty of “the world is ending” stuff.

But the availability of a T&F service under adverse conditions and the
ability of a system which consumes a T&F reference to gracefully degrade
its functionality upon degradation or absence of reference input(s) are
features/figures of merit---I do not see how discussion of that aspect

can

be considered to be offtopic.

-Ruslan

--
Ruslan Nabioullin
Wittgenstein Laboratories
rnabioullin@gmail.com
(508) 523-8535
50 Louise Dr.
Hollis, NH 03049


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--Mark Twain

We may be surprised at the people we find in heaven. God has a soft spot
for sinners. His standards are quite low.
--Desmond Tutu

We sound like we could be cousins, Scott. When we bought our current house, I discovered that the previous owner had built a Faraday cage in a small room off the basement. I put all my stuff in there. I also have a generator with magneto ignition so I should be good to go when the end-of-the-world arrives. On Saturday, September 8, 2018, Scott McGrath <scmcgrath@gmail.com> wrote: > Actually > > I do have much of my equipment inside a shield room, not for tinfoil hat > reasons but to keep experimental systems from causing interference and to > eliminate existing RF sources in the 800 Mhz to 8 Ghz range as error > sources in measurements. > > If one is concerned there are lots of old screen rooms coming up for sale > on e-bay as WiFi manufacturers prepare to dip their toes into bands above > 10 Ghz and many of the old ones were only good to 6-8 Ghz. > > As to backup generators I have a modern one and an ‘old school’ > mechanically governed one with magneto ignition. I keep that one mainly > because i like its Art Deco design. Sometimes bring it to local Ag Fair > to display among the gear from that era. > > Content by Scott > Typos by Siri > > On Sep 8, 2018, at 8:11 PM, William H. Fite <omniryx@gmail.com> wrote: > > <Donning asbestos underwear> > > Gentlemen, I've found this discussion interesting and informative. This > household works on quantum information theory rather than engineering so > there is much for us to learn. > > I must observe that if an event takes out the entire GPS system (which a > Carrington event would not do) we will have issues a great deal more > immediate and pressing than getting hyper-precise timing systems restored. > > And speaking of Carrington events, how many of us have our equipment > surrounded by Faraday cages and supplied with off-grid power? Because > without those, we won't have instruments to measure T&F at home or even in > a great many labs and businesses. > > Just a thought..... > > > > > > On Saturday, September 8, 2018, Dana Whitlow <k8yumdoober@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > I argue that when the "big one" happens, getting back to where we are > > technologically > > will be in large part a bootstrapping kind of affair. And I believe that > > starting off with > > WWV* will be a far better starting point than starting with sun clocks > and > > dripping > > water. > > > > Dana > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 5:54 PM, Ruslan Nabioullin <rnabioullin@gmail.com > > > > wrote: > > > >>> On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 8:32 PM Bob kb8tq <kb8tq@n1k.org> wrote: > >>> > >>> This is Time Nuts, not end of the world nuts ….. > >>> ... > >>> I think we’ve all heard plenty of “the world is ending” stuff. > >>> > >> > >> But the availability of a T&F service under adverse conditions and the > >> ability of a system which consumes a T&F reference to gracefully degrade > >> its functionality upon degradation or absence of reference input(s) are > >> features/figures of merit---I do not see how discussion of that aspect > > can > >> be considered to be offtopic. > >> > >> -Ruslan > >> > >> -- > >> Ruslan Nabioullin > >> Wittgenstein Laboratories > >> rnabioullin@gmail.com > >> (508) 523-8535 > >> 50 Louise Dr. > >> Hollis, NH 03049 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > >> To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/ > >> listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > >> and follow the instructions there. > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/ > > listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > -- > Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government > when it deserves it. > --Mark Twain > > We may be surprised at the people we find in heaven. God has a soft spot > for sinners. His standards are quite low. > --Desmond Tutu > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/ > listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there. > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/ > listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there. > -- Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it. --Mark Twain We may be surprised at the people we find in heaven. God has a soft spot for sinners. His standards are quite low. --Desmond Tutu
SM
Scott McGrath
Sun, Sep 9, 2018 1:08 PM

My company paid for my shield room the real trick was getting the door in which weighed 600-800 pounds.

As to the old generator I restore old machinery as another hobby for the times I want to disengage brain.  But photoetched brass id plates show so much more thought than thermal printed labels

Content by Scott
Typos by Siri

On Sep 8, 2018, at 9:48 PM, William H. Fite omniryx@gmail.com wrote:

We sound like we could be cousins, Scott. When we bought our current house,
I discovered that the previous owner had built a Faraday cage in a small
room off the basement. I put all my stuff in there. I also have a generator
with magneto ignition so I should be good to go when the end-of-the-world
arrives.

On Saturday, September 8, 2018, Scott McGrath scmcgrath@gmail.com wrote:

Actually

I do have much of my equipment inside a shield room,  not for tinfoil hat
reasons but to keep experimental systems from causing interference and to
eliminate existing RF sources in the 800 Mhz to 8 Ghz range as error
sources in measurements.

If one is concerned there are lots of old screen rooms coming up for sale
on e-bay as WiFi manufacturers prepare to dip their toes into bands above
10 Ghz and many of the old ones were only good to 6-8 Ghz.

As to backup generators I have a modern one and an ‘old school’
mechanically governed one with magneto ignition.    I keep that one mainly
because i like its Art Deco design.    Sometimes bring it to local Ag Fair
to display among the gear from that era.

Content by Scott
Typos by Siri

On Sep 8, 2018, at 8:11 PM, William H. Fite omniryx@gmail.com wrote:

<Donning asbestos underwear>

Gentlemen, I've found this discussion interesting and informative. This
household works on quantum information theory rather than engineering so
there is much for us to learn.

I must observe that if an event takes out the entire GPS system (which a
Carrington event would not do) we will have issues a great deal more
immediate and pressing than getting hyper-precise timing systems restored.

And speaking of Carrington events, how many of us have our equipment
surrounded by Faraday cages and supplied with off-grid power? Because
without those, we won't have instruments to measure T&F at home or even in
a great many labs and businesses.

Just a thought.....

On Saturday, September 8, 2018, Dana Whitlow k8yumdoober@gmail.com

wrote:

I argue that when the "big one" happens, getting back to where we are
technologically
will be in large part a bootstrapping kind of affair.  And I believe that
starting off with
WWV* will be a far better starting point than starting with sun clocks

and

dripping
water.

Dana

On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 5:54 PM, Ruslan Nabioullin <rnabioullin@gmail.com

wrote:

On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 8:32 PM Bob kb8tq kb8tq@n1k.org wrote:

This is Time Nuts, not end of the world nuts …..
...
I think we’ve all heard plenty of “the world is ending” stuff.

But the availability of a T&F service under adverse conditions and the
ability of a system which consumes a T&F reference to gracefully degrade
its functionality upon degradation or absence of reference input(s) are
features/figures of merit---I do not see how discussion of that aspect

can

be considered to be offtopic.

-Ruslan

--
Ruslan Nabioullin
Wittgenstein Laboratories
rnabioullin@gmail.com
(508) 523-8535
50 Louise Dr.
Hollis, NH 03049


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My company paid for my shield room the real trick was getting the door in which weighed 600-800 pounds. As to the old generator I restore old machinery as another hobby for the times I want to disengage brain. But photoetched brass id plates show so much more thought than thermal printed labels Content by Scott Typos by Siri On Sep 8, 2018, at 9:48 PM, William H. Fite <omniryx@gmail.com> wrote: We sound like we could be cousins, Scott. When we bought our current house, I discovered that the previous owner had built a Faraday cage in a small room off the basement. I put all my stuff in there. I also have a generator with magneto ignition so I should be good to go when the end-of-the-world arrives. > On Saturday, September 8, 2018, Scott McGrath <scmcgrath@gmail.com> wrote: > > Actually > > I do have much of my equipment inside a shield room, not for tinfoil hat > reasons but to keep experimental systems from causing interference and to > eliminate existing RF sources in the 800 Mhz to 8 Ghz range as error > sources in measurements. > > If one is concerned there are lots of old screen rooms coming up for sale > on e-bay as WiFi manufacturers prepare to dip their toes into bands above > 10 Ghz and many of the old ones were only good to 6-8 Ghz. > > As to backup generators I have a modern one and an ‘old school’ > mechanically governed one with magneto ignition. I keep that one mainly > because i like its Art Deco design. Sometimes bring it to local Ag Fair > to display among the gear from that era. > > Content by Scott > Typos by Siri > > On Sep 8, 2018, at 8:11 PM, William H. Fite <omniryx@gmail.com> wrote: > > <Donning asbestos underwear> > > Gentlemen, I've found this discussion interesting and informative. This > household works on quantum information theory rather than engineering so > there is much for us to learn. > > I must observe that if an event takes out the entire GPS system (which a > Carrington event would not do) we will have issues a great deal more > immediate and pressing than getting hyper-precise timing systems restored. > > And speaking of Carrington events, how many of us have our equipment > surrounded by Faraday cages and supplied with off-grid power? Because > without those, we won't have instruments to measure T&F at home or even in > a great many labs and businesses. > > Just a thought..... > > > > >> On Saturday, September 8, 2018, Dana Whitlow <k8yumdoober@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> I argue that when the "big one" happens, getting back to where we are >> technologically >> will be in large part a bootstrapping kind of affair. And I believe that >> starting off with >> WWV* will be a far better starting point than starting with sun clocks > and >> dripping >> water. >> >> Dana >> >> >> On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 5:54 PM, Ruslan Nabioullin <rnabioullin@gmail.com >> >> wrote: >> >>>> On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 8:32 PM Bob kb8tq <kb8tq@n1k.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> This is Time Nuts, not end of the world nuts ….. >>>> ... >>>> I think we’ve all heard plenty of “the world is ending” stuff. >>>> >>> >>> But the availability of a T&F service under adverse conditions and the >>> ability of a system which consumes a T&F reference to gracefully degrade >>> its functionality upon degradation or absence of reference input(s) are >>> features/figures of merit---I do not see how discussion of that aspect >> can >>> be considered to be offtopic. >>> >>> -Ruslan >>> >>> -- >>> Ruslan Nabioullin >>> Wittgenstein Laboratories >>> rnabioullin@gmail.com >>> (508) 523-8535 >>> 50 Louise Dr. >>> Hollis, NH 03049 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com >>> To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/ >>> listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com >>> and follow the instructions there. >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/ >> listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com >> and follow the instructions there. >> > > > -- > Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government > when it deserves it. > --Mark Twain > > We may be surprised at the people we find in heaven. God has a soft spot > for sinners. His standards are quite low. > --Desmond Tutu > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/ > listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there. > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/ > listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there. > -- Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it. --Mark Twain We may be surprised at the people we find in heaven. God has a soft spot for sinners. 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