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Switching and high spike in spectrum

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bob wole
Wed, Oct 29, 2014 5:54 PM

USRPN210r4 with SBX

I am observing a strong spike at the center of the receive spectrum when I
start burst transmission.

My top flowgraph contains following two hierarchical blocks

  1. A transmitter flow graph with (tx_time, tx_sob, tx_eob)
  2. A receiver flow graph

When I run top flowgrpah (without transmitting anything) and observe the
FFT of the received signal the spectrum does not contain high spike in the
center.

But as soon as I start transmitting in burst mode I see a very high spike
in center of the received signal FFT spectrum. It looks like LO
(transmitter or receiver ) is being received? Which one is it ? And why is
it happening?  How can I avoid it because it is affecting my packets.

When I apply the offset in digital using DDC/DUC, the spike moves out of
the band.

--
Bob

USRPN210r4 with SBX I am observing a strong spike at the center of the receive spectrum when I start burst transmission. My top flowgraph contains following two hierarchical blocks 1) A transmitter flow graph with (tx_time, tx_sob, tx_eob) 2) A receiver flow graph When I run top flowgrpah (without transmitting anything) and observe the FFT of the received signal the spectrum does not contain high spike in the center. But as soon as I start transmitting in burst mode I see a very high spike in center of the received signal FFT spectrum. It looks like LO (transmitter or receiver ) is being received? Which one is it ? And why is it happening? How can I avoid it because it is affecting my packets. When I apply the offset in digital using DDC/DUC, the spike moves out of the band. -- Bob
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Marcus D. Leech
Wed, Oct 29, 2014 6:02 PM

On 10/29/2014 01:54 PM, bob wole via USRP-users wrote:

USRPN210r4 with SBX

I am observing a strong spike at the center of the receive spectrum
when I start burst transmission.

My top flowgraph contains following two hierarchical blocks

  1. A transmitter flow graph with (tx_time, tx_sob, tx_eob)
  2. A receiver flow graph

When I run top flowgrpah (without transmitting anything) and observe
the FFT of the received signal the spectrum does not contain high
spike in the center.

But as soon as I start transmitting in burst mode I see a very high
spike in center of the received signal FFT spectrum. It looks like LO
(transmitter or receiver ) is being received? Which one is it ? And
why is it happening?  How can I avoid it because it is affecting my
packets.

When I apply the offset in digital using DDC/DUC, the spike moves out
of the band.

--
Bob


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That spike in the middle is a consequence of using direct conversion in
both the RX and TX paths--it'll be there in both to some degree.

You can use offset-tuning to move the DC offset outside your passband:

http://files.ettus.com/manual/page_general.html

In built-for-a-particular-purpose radios, there will also be undesired
LO leakage and mixing products--those are generally dealt with using an
application/band-specific filter to eliminate them.  For
general-purpose SDRs, that isn't possible to do "as manufactured", you
have to deal
with RF hygiene and plumbing issues yourself.

So, moving the LO leakage outside your passband is part of the
picture--use offset tuning for that.  Then, if you have "this won't meet
our hygiene requirements", you have to look at filtering.

Another thing you really should do is to run the calibration utilities,
which will attempt to balance I/Q amplitude and phase, which can improve
some of these issues, but not, usually, eliminate them entirely.

--
Marcus Leech
Principal Investigator
Shirleys Bay Radio Astronomy Consortium
http://www.sbrac.org

On 10/29/2014 01:54 PM, bob wole via USRP-users wrote: > > USRPN210r4 with SBX > > I am observing a strong spike at the center of the receive spectrum > when I start burst transmission. > > My top flowgraph contains following two hierarchical blocks > 1) A transmitter flow graph with (tx_time, tx_sob, tx_eob) > 2) A receiver flow graph > > When I run top flowgrpah (without transmitting anything) and observe > the FFT of the received signal the spectrum does not contain high > spike in the center. > > But as soon as I start transmitting in burst mode I see a very high > spike in center of the received signal FFT spectrum. It looks like LO > (transmitter or receiver ) is being received? Which one is it ? And > why is it happening? How can I avoid it because it is affecting my > packets. > > When I apply the offset in digital using DDC/DUC, the spike moves out > of the band. > > > -- > Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > USRP-users mailing list > USRP-users@lists.ettus.com > http://lists.ettus.com/mailman/listinfo/usrp-users_lists.ettus.com That spike in the middle is a consequence of using direct conversion in both the RX and TX paths--it'll be there in both to some degree. You can use offset-tuning to move the DC offset outside your passband: http://files.ettus.com/manual/page_general.html In built-for-a-particular-purpose radios, there will also be undesired LO leakage and mixing products--those are generally dealt with using an application/band-specific filter to eliminate them. For general-purpose SDRs, that isn't possible to do "as manufactured", you have to deal with RF hygiene and plumbing issues yourself. So, moving the LO leakage outside your passband is part of the picture--use offset tuning for that. Then, if you have "this won't meet our hygiene requirements", you have to look at filtering. Another thing you really should do is to run the calibration utilities, which will attempt to balance I/Q amplitude and phase, which can improve some of these issues, but not, usually, eliminate them entirely. -- Marcus Leech Principal Investigator Shirleys Bay Radio Astronomy Consortium http://www.sbrac.org