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Susan Woodrum

Wed, Dec 23, 2015 6:04 PM

We just had the wonderful experience of cruising down the ICW from Norfolk as far south as Myrtle Beach. It was our first time on the ICW and we loved it. The friends’ boat we were on (42’ Sundeck) had had major problems with their brand new electronics (that’s a whole other story), so we were navigating with iPads using the Navionics and sometimes iNavx apps. There was no radar installed. My husband and I are primarily ocean and bay sailors. In the distant past we have done thousands of miles cruising with a sextant, compass and sumlog. So paper charts are how we learned, but have loved making the switch to digital charts and GPS.

The captain and the 3 crew on this ICW voyage disagreed on this North Up vs Course Up dilemma. Traveling this long stretch of waterway for the first time for most of us, it seemed to make much more sense to have the software apps set at Course Up (or is it Heading Up?). However, the Captain would not hear of this and his Admiral, a very proficient sailor with her 100 ton license, was not amused by this. She found it confusing as did I. If there had been radar aboard it might have been even more confusing.

What says the group?

Susie
Eureka, 40’ Cooper Monk PH Trawler
Sausalito, CA

We just had the wonderful experience of cruising down the ICW from Norfolk as far south as Myrtle Beach. It was our first time on the ICW and we loved it. The friends’ boat we were on (42’ Sundeck) had had major problems with their brand new electronics (that’s a whole other story), so we were navigating with iPads using the Navionics and sometimes iNavx apps. There was no radar installed. My husband and I are primarily ocean and bay sailors. In the distant past we have done thousands of miles cruising with a sextant, compass and sumlog. So paper charts are how we learned, but have loved making the switch to digital charts and GPS. The captain and the 3 crew on this ICW voyage disagreed on this North Up vs Course Up dilemma. Traveling this long stretch of waterway for the first time for most of us, it seemed to make much more sense to have the software apps set at Course Up (or is it Heading Up?). However, the Captain would not hear of this and his Admiral, a very proficient sailor with her 100 ton license, was not amused by this. She found it confusing as did I. If there had been radar aboard it might have been even more confusing. What says the group? Susie Eureka, 40’ Cooper Monk PH Trawler Sausalito, CA

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Richard Cook

Wed, Dec 23, 2015 6:39 PM

From the discussions I've followed, it seems to depend on what you're
used to.

My personal preference is course up when I'm traveling. I don't have
radar on my chartplotter display, and the radar screen always shows
heading up, but if I keep reasonably close to the chartplotter course
I'm following the two match fairly well. If I had radar on the
chartplotter, and an accurate heading input to it, I might prefer
heading up. To me it seems more natural to have the radar and
chartplotter look pretty much like what I see through the windshield.

Also, if I have my chartplotter set to course up, the ship icon is
nearer to the bottom of the screen, rather than centered, so I can see
more of what's ahead.

When scouting an anchorage, or drifting around bottom fishing, I switch
to north up, so that the chart isn't spinning on me. Also north up when
planning a route.

Richard Cook
New Moon (Bounty 257)

On 12/23/2015 11:04 AM, Susan Woodrum via Trawlers-and-Trawlering wrote:

We just had the wonderful experience of cruising down the ICW from Norfolk as far south as Myrtle Beach. It was our first time on the ICW and we loved it. The friends’ boat we were on (42’ Sundeck) had had major problems with their brand new electronics (that’s a whole other story), so we were navigating with iPads using the Navionics and sometimes iNavx apps. There was no radar installed. My husband and I are primarily ocean and bay sailors. In the distant past we have done thousands of miles cruising with a sextant, compass and sumlog. So paper charts are how we learned, but have loved making the switch to digital charts and GPS.

The captain and the 3 crew on this ICW voyage disagreed on this North Up vs Course Up dilemma. Traveling this long stretch of waterway for the first time for most of us, it seemed to make much more sense to have the software apps set at Course Up (or is it Heading Up?). However, the Captain would not hear of this and his Admiral, a very proficient sailor with her 100 ton license, was not amused by this. She found it confusing as did I. If there had been radar aboard it might have been even more confusing.

What says the group?

Susie
Eureka, 40’ Cooper Monk PH Trawler
Sausalito, CA

From the discussions I've followed, it seems to depend on what you're used to. My personal preference is course up when I'm traveling. I don't have radar on my chartplotter display, and the radar screen always shows heading up, but if I keep reasonably close to the chartplotter course I'm following the two match fairly well. If I had radar on the chartplotter, and an accurate heading input to it, I might prefer heading up. To me it seems more natural to have the radar and chartplotter look pretty much like what I see through the windshield. Also, if I have my chartplotter set to course up, the ship icon is nearer to the bottom of the screen, rather than centered, so I can see more of what's ahead. When scouting an anchorage, or drifting around bottom fishing, I switch to north up, so that the chart isn't spinning on me. Also north up when planning a route. Richard Cook New Moon (Bounty 257) On 12/23/2015 11:04 AM, Susan Woodrum via Trawlers-and-Trawlering wrote: > We just had the wonderful experience of cruising down the ICW from Norfolk as far south as Myrtle Beach. It was our first time on the ICW and we loved it. The friends’ boat we were on (42’ Sundeck) had had major problems with their brand new electronics (that’s a whole other story), so we were navigating with iPads using the Navionics and sometimes iNavx apps. There was no radar installed. My husband and I are primarily ocean and bay sailors. In the distant past we have done thousands of miles cruising with a sextant, compass and sumlog. So paper charts are how we learned, but have loved making the switch to digital charts and GPS. > > The captain and the 3 crew on this ICW voyage disagreed on this North Up vs Course Up dilemma. Traveling this long stretch of waterway for the first time for most of us, it seemed to make much more sense to have the software apps set at Course Up (or is it Heading Up?). However, the Captain would not hear of this and his Admiral, a very proficient sailor with her 100 ton license, was not amused by this. She found it confusing as did I. If there had been radar aboard it might have been even more confusing. > > What says the group? > > Susie > Eureka, 40’ Cooper Monk PH Trawler > Sausalito, CA >

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Bob McLeran

Wed, Dec 23, 2015 6:46 PM

We have the same options with our chartplotters and computer nav software.

On Sanderling, it's the Conning Officer's choice. Whatever makes the job
easier for the person actually doing the work! It's easy enough to
switch back and forth depending on the wishes of the Con at the time.

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On 12/23/2015 1:04 PM, Susan Woodrum via Trawlers-and-Trawlering wrote:

The captain and the 3 crew on this ICW voyage disagreed on this North Up vs Course Up dilemma. Traveling this long stretch of waterway for the first time for most of us, it seemed to make much more sense to have the software apps set at Course Up (or is it Heading Up?). However, the Captain would not hear of this and his Admiral, a very proficient sailor with her 100 ton license, was not amused by this. She found it confusing as did I. If there had been radar aboard it might have been even more confusing.

What says the group?

We have the same options with our chartplotters and computer nav software. On Sanderling, it's the Conning Officer's choice. Whatever makes the job easier for the person actually doing the work! It's easy enough to switch back and forth depending on the wishes of the Con at the time. <><><><><><><><><><><><>Mozilla Thunderbird<><><><><><><><><><> Bob McLeran and Judy Young Manatee Cove Marina MV Sanderling Patrick Air Force Base DeFever 41 Trawler Melbourne, Florida Blog: http://mvsanderling.net/Blog Web: http://cruising.mvsanderling.net/ On 12/23/2015 1:04 PM, Susan Woodrum via Trawlers-and-Trawlering wrote: > The captain and the 3 crew on this ICW voyage disagreed on this North Up vs Course Up dilemma. Traveling this long stretch of waterway for the first time for most of us, it seemed to make much more sense to have the software apps set at Course Up (or is it Heading Up?). However, the Captain would not hear of this and his Admiral, a very proficient sailor with her 100 ton license, was not amused by this. She found it confusing as did I. If there had been radar aboard it might have been even more confusing. > > What says the group? >

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Charlotte and James

Wed, Dec 23, 2015 7:32 PM

Whomever is on watch chooses! I like course /head up but James likes north
up. No problem. It works for us.

Charlotte
M/V Pegasus.
M

please excuse all typos
On 23 Dec 2015 13:05, "Susan Woodrum via Trawlers-and-Trawlering" <
trawlers@lists.trawlering.com> wrote:

We just had the wonderful experience of cruising down the ICW from Norfolk
as far south as Myrtle Beach. It was our first time on the ICW and we
loved it. The friends’ boat we were on (42’ Sundeck) had had major problems
with their brand new electronics (that’s a whole other story), so we were
navigating with iPads using the Navionics and sometimes iNavx apps. There
was no radar installed. My husband and I are primarily ocean and bay
sailors. In the distant past we have done thousands of miles cruising with
a sextant, compass and sumlog. So paper charts are how we learned, but
have loved making the switch to digital charts and GPS.

The captain and the 3 crew on this ICW voyage disagreed on this North Up
vs Course Up dilemma. Traveling this long stretch of waterway for the
first time for most of us, it seemed to make much more sense to have the
software apps set at Course Up (or is it Heading Up?). However, the
Captain would not hear of this and his Admiral, a very proficient sailor
with her 100 ton license, was not amused by this. She found it confusing
as did I. If there had been radar aboard it might have been even more
confusing.

What says the group?

Susie
Eureka, 40’ Cooper Monk PH Trawler
Sausalito, CA

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Whomever is on watch chooses! I like course /head up but James likes north up. No problem. It works for us. Charlotte M/V Pegasus. M please excuse all typos On 23 Dec 2015 13:05, "Susan Woodrum via Trawlers-and-Trawlering" < trawlers@lists.trawlering.com> wrote: > We just had the wonderful experience of cruising down the ICW from Norfolk > as far south as Myrtle Beach. It was our first time on the ICW and we > loved it. The friends’ boat we were on (42’ Sundeck) had had major problems > with their brand new electronics (that’s a whole other story), so we were > navigating with iPads using the Navionics and sometimes iNavx apps. There > was no radar installed. My husband and I are primarily ocean and bay > sailors. In the distant past we have done thousands of miles cruising with > a sextant, compass and sumlog. So paper charts are how we learned, but > have loved making the switch to digital charts and GPS. > > The captain and the 3 crew on this ICW voyage disagreed on this North Up > vs Course Up dilemma. Traveling this long stretch of waterway for the > first time for most of us, it seemed to make much more sense to have the > software apps set at Course Up (or is it Heading Up?). However, the > Captain would not hear of this and his Admiral, a very proficient sailor > with her 100 ton license, was not amused by this. She found it confusing > as did I. If there had been radar aboard it might have been even more > confusing. > > What says the group? > > Susie > Eureka, 40’ Cooper Monk PH Trawler > Sausalito, CA > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers_lists.trawlering.com > > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options (get password, change > email address, etc) go to: > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers_lists.trawlering.com > Trawlers & Trawlering and T&T are trademarks of Water World > Productions. Unauthorized use is prohibited.

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scubadude@charter.net

Wed, Dec 23, 2015 8:04 PM

Like others have already said it's really the choice of the helmwatch, but,
everyone involved with navigation should know and agree on a particular
setting and know what it is.

I find Head-up or Course-up works best for me when navigating the ICW and
narrow channels. It presents the chart as you see the world in front of
you.

However, I like North-Up when doing offshore passages and or when trying
"mow the lawn" or fish structures/canyons when trolling.

North-up also is easy to move between paper charts and chart plotters. Most
folks don't rotate their charts to the direction of travel, but, instead
keep N. on the top.

Regardless, don't change it from how I have it my boat unless you ask me
first! Tell the next watchkeeper how it's set-up...

Like others have already said it's really the choice of the helmwatch, but, everyone involved with navigation should know and agree on a particular setting and know what it is. I find Head-up or Course-up works best for me when navigating the ICW and narrow channels. It presents the chart as you see the world in front of you. However, I like North-Up when doing offshore passages and or when trying "mow the lawn" or fish structures/canyons when trolling. North-up also is easy to move between paper charts and chart plotters. Most folks don't rotate their charts to the direction of travel, but, instead keep N. on the top. Regardless, don't change it from how I have it my boat unless you ask me first! Tell the next watchkeeper how it's set-up...

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Electronic Navigation: Course Up vs North Up?