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Re: TWL: Re: RE: Re: Safety at sea - What would you do if?

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Russ@technicalmarketing.com
Wed, Oct 4, 2000 4:30 AM

Charles C Culotta,Jr." wrote:
A lawyer can NOT file an action without a WILLING client.
Oh, come now, Charles. Lawyers go after clients and persuade them to file suits.
Even those who are reluctant to do so are generally swayed by the visions of
mucho large greenbacks. The legal system is a lottery. Jurys award huge
incomprehensible damages because they figure someday it might be their turn. And
get rid of liability laws? Fat chance. The entire system is designed,
manipulated, owned, and run for the sole benefit of lawyers. It has nothing to do
with justice, with "compensating injured parties" or any other altruistic
codswallop.

I have to stop before I hyperventilate.
Russ

"

Russ and Donna Sherwin
  MV "Four Seasons"
2000 Nordhavn 46, Hull #70
Sunnyvale, Ca 94086

Charles C Culotta,Jr." wrote: A lawyer can NOT file an action without a WILLING client. Oh, come now, Charles. Lawyers go after clients and persuade them to file suits. Even those who are reluctant to do so are generally swayed by the visions of mucho large greenbacks. The legal system is a lottery. Jurys award huge incomprehensible damages because they figure someday it might be their turn. And get rid of liability laws? Fat chance. The entire system is designed, manipulated, owned, and run for the sole benefit of lawyers. It has nothing to do with justice, with "compensating injured parties" or any other altruistic codswallop. I have to stop before I hyperventilate. Russ " ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ and Donna Sherwin MV "Four Seasons" 2000 Nordhavn 46, Hull #70 Sunnyvale, Ca 94086 ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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Russ@technicalmarketing.com
Wed, Oct 4, 2000 4:33 AM

By the way, has anyone who is actively cruising, and has no fixed address, tried
to get liability insurance? Pretty hard to find. But you don't dare cruise
without it.
Russ


Russ and Donna Sherwin
  MV "Four Seasons"
2000 Nordhavn 46, Hull #70
Sunnyvale, Ca 94086

By the way, has anyone who is actively cruising, and has no fixed address, tried to get liability insurance? Pretty hard to find. But you don't dare cruise without it. Russ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ and Donna Sherwin MV "Four Seasons" 2000 Nordhavn 46, Hull #70 Sunnyvale, Ca 94086 ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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rhj@pacific.net.hk
Wed, Oct 4, 2000 10:55 AM

My argument is not about individual lawyers. The point that I was trying

to make is that the legal profession in this country is more than a bit

out

of hand.

Well said Charles, isn't the problem a question of fees? If they were flat
rate not based on the result wouldn't this discourage people / lawyers?
In Hong Kong legal fees are astronomical and have to be paid win or lose not
based on a % of the outcome. No one sue here unless you have a very good
case.

Rob Harrington-Johnson
Fat Cheoy
Cheoy Lee 42
Hong Kong

>>>My argument is not about individual lawyers. The point that I was trying > to make is that the legal profession in this country is more than a bit out > of hand. Well said Charles, isn't the problem a question of fees? If they were flat rate not based on the result wouldn't this discourage people / lawyers? In Hong Kong legal fees are astronomical and have to be paid win or lose not based on a % of the outcome. No one sue here unless you have a very good case. Rob Harrington-Johnson Fat Cheoy Cheoy Lee 42 Hong Kong
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rbryett@ibm.net
Wed, Oct 4, 2000 12:02 PM

Well said Charles, isn't the problem a question of fees? If they were

flat rate not based on the result wouldn't this discourage people /
lawyers?<<<

On the other hand it would mean that only the wealthy could afford to take
legal action at all (unless they're backed by the state), as is basically
true in Australia. Unless one believes that ALL lawsuits are without merit,
that's hardly desirable either.

Regards, Robert Bryett
Sydney, Australia.
mailto:rbryett@ibm.net

>>>Well said Charles, isn't the problem a question of fees? If they were flat rate not based on the result wouldn't this discourage people / lawyers?<<< On the other hand it would mean that only the wealthy could afford to take legal action at all (unless they're backed by the state), as is basically true in Australia. Unless one believes that ALL lawsuits are without merit, that's hardly desirable either. Regards, Robert Bryett Sydney, Australia. mailto:rbryett@ibm.net
A
aepmem@bahamas.net.bs
Wed, Oct 4, 2000 12:33 PM

What's all this business about lawyers got to do with trawlers? Enough
already!

Maurice Marwood
aepmem@bahamas.net.bs

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-trawler-world-list@samurai.com
[mailto:owner-trawler-world-list@samurai.com]  On Behalf Of Alan
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:19 PM
To: Charles C Culotta,Jr.
Cc: rbryett@ibm.net; trawler-world-list@samurai.com
Subject: Re: TWL: Shooting the messenger.

Clearly this thread has come unraveled, but I just gotta comment to
those who would say it is up to the population to change our culture in
order to  control lawyers.  In my home town of Mobile, Al, I am
bombarded constantly with ads on TV and in the paper asking if I have
mesothelioma, if I have been injured in a car wreck or off-shore, and
how much Morris Bart et al. can get me with no obligation etc, etc.  Now
I have to think that there are a lot of folks out there who are either
desperate or  ignorant, etc who are easy prey for this ilk.  I don't see
them changing this culture. Whether this actually depicts the social
demographics of the plaintiffs or not, this argument is not a lot
different from saying that "BIG TOBACCO" needs to be cut down to size by
all of the parents whose teens are smoking, that "BIG OIL" should be
brought to heal by all of  those SUV-driving mothers practicing a little
abstention, that Microsoft will knucke under if we just don't use
Windows, and I could go on and on.  This issue, like most which offer
complication in our lives, is not black and white, is not of singular
responsibility, and perhaps most importantly, can't and probably should
not have its solution gestated here.

Not really fond of lawyersly yours,

Alan Yankie

What's all this business about lawyers got to do with trawlers? Enough already! Maurice Marwood aepmem@bahamas.net.bs -----Original Message----- From: owner-trawler-world-list@samurai.com [mailto:owner-trawler-world-list@samurai.com] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:19 PM To: Charles C Culotta,Jr. Cc: rbryett@ibm.net; trawler-world-list@samurai.com Subject: Re: TWL: Shooting the messenger. Clearly this thread has come unraveled, but I just gotta comment to those who would say it is up to the population to change our culture in order to control lawyers. In my home town of Mobile, Al, I am bombarded constantly with ads on TV and in the paper asking if I have mesothelioma, if I have been injured in a car wreck or off-shore, and how much Morris Bart et al. can get me with no obligation etc, etc. Now I have to think that there are a lot of folks out there who are either desperate or ignorant, etc who are easy prey for this ilk. I don't see them changing this culture. Whether this actually depicts the social demographics of the plaintiffs or not, this argument is not a lot different from saying that "BIG TOBACCO" needs to be cut down to size by all of the parents whose teens are smoking, that "BIG OIL" should be brought to heal by all of those SUV-driving mothers practicing a little abstention, that Microsoft will knucke under if we just don't use Windows, and I could go on and on. This issue, like most which offer complication in our lives, is not black and white, is not of singular responsibility, and perhaps most importantly, can't and probably should not have its solution gestated here. Not really fond of lawyersly yours, Alan Yankie
D
dmccrani@gte.net
Thu, Oct 5, 2000 3:17 AM

Rob Harrington-Johnson wrote:

My argument is not about individual lawyers. The point that I was trying

to make is that the legal profession in this country is more than a bit

out

of hand.

Are you all sure that this is a proper thread for the Trawler World List?
Dolph McCranie

Rob Harrington-Johnson wrote: > >>>My argument is not about individual lawyers. The point that I was trying > > to make is that the legal profession in this country is more than a bit > out > > of hand. Are you all sure that this is a proper thread for the Trawler World List? Dolph McCranie
HD
huddlestonB_D@email.msn.com
Fri, Oct 6, 2000 5:16 PM

Bob & Debbie Huddleston                            Krogen 42
AB6NI  KC6SKY                                    "The Deborah C."
HuddlestonB_D@msn.com

By the way, has anyone who is actively cruising, and has no fixed address,

tried

to get liability insurance? Pretty hard to find. But you don't dare cruise
without it.
Russ


 Russ and Donna Sherwin
   MV "Four Seasons"
 2000 Nordhavn 46, Hull #70
 Sunnyvale, Ca 94086

Russ and Donna,
It is hard to find. First, we have a commercial mail service which gives us
an address. This does not sufffice. However, our car insurance company will
use the car as the basis for a general liability policy. I will keep that
car forever even if I store it in a farmer's field with the wheels off.

Cheers!

Bob & Debbie Huddleston Krogen 42 AB6NI KC6SKY "The Deborah C." HuddlestonB_D@msn.com > By the way, has anyone who is actively cruising, and has no fixed address, tried > to get liability insurance? Pretty hard to find. But you don't dare cruise > without it. > Russ > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Russ and Donna Sherwin > MV "Four Seasons" > 2000 Nordhavn 46, Hull #70 > Sunnyvale, Ca 94086 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Russ and Donna, It is hard to find. First, we have a commercial mail service which gives us an address. This does not sufffice. However, our car insurance company will use the car as the basis for a general liability policy. I will keep that car forever even if I store it in a farmer's field with the wheels off. Cheers!
A
agis@iprimus.ca
Fri, Oct 6, 2000 8:16 PM

As long as you have some postal address you should have no problem in
arranging insurance, I have several clients cruising. Or you could use a
family memebers address.

Austin Gllbert
Colourmegone on Lake Ontario
www.boatins4U.com

----- Original Message -----
From: Bob & Debbie Huddleston huddlestonB_D@email.msn.com
To: Russ Sherwin Russ@technicalmarketing.com; trawlerworldlist
trawler-world-list@samurai.com
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 13:16
Subject: Re: TWL: Re: Shooting the messenger.

Bob & Debbie Huddleston                            Krogen 42
AB6NI  KC6SKY                                    "The Deborah C."
HuddlestonB_D@msn.com

By the way, has anyone who is actively cruising, and has no fixed

address,

tried

to get liability insurance? Pretty hard to find. But you don't dare

cruise

without it.
Russ


 Russ and Donna Sherwin
   MV "Four Seasons"
 2000 Nordhavn 46, Hull #70
 Sunnyvale, Ca 94086

Russ and Donna,
It is hard to find. First, we have a commercial mail service which gives

us

an address. This does not sufffice. However, our car insurance company

will

use the car as the basis for a general liability policy. I will keep that
car forever even if I store it in a farmer's field with the wheels off.

Cheers!

As long as you have some postal address you should have no problem in arranging insurance, I have several clients cruising. Or you could use a family memebers address. Austin Gllbert Colourmegone on Lake Ontario www.boatins4U.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob & Debbie Huddleston <huddlestonB_D@email.msn.com> To: Russ Sherwin <Russ@technicalmarketing.com>; trawlerworldlist <trawler-world-list@samurai.com> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 13:16 Subject: Re: TWL: Re: Shooting the messenger. > > Bob & Debbie Huddleston Krogen 42 > AB6NI KC6SKY "The Deborah C." > HuddlestonB_D@msn.com > > > By the way, has anyone who is actively cruising, and has no fixed address, > tried > > to get liability insurance? Pretty hard to find. But you don't dare cruise > > without it. > > Russ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Russ and Donna Sherwin > > MV "Four Seasons" > > 2000 Nordhavn 46, Hull #70 > > Sunnyvale, Ca 94086 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > Russ and Donna, > It is hard to find. First, we have a commercial mail service which gives us > an address. This does not sufffice. However, our car insurance company will > use the car as the basis for a general liability policy. I will keep that > car forever even if I store it in a farmer's field with the wheels off. > > Cheers! > > > > >