This Fantail 49 is only one of nine  imported into the US from the 

This Fantail 49 is only one of nine imported into the US from the renowned Tran world shipyard in Taiwan. This economical trawler features a wonderful blend of tradition as well as practicality. A fuel burn of 25 gals a "Day" is sure to please the most frugal yachtsman. Insulation and soundproofing is excellent. Oversized 15kW generator handles all needs with ease and quiet. The fantail was designed to be a beautiful, and efficient cruising yacht, her hull is very easily driven. There is 3500 pounds of ballast in the keel which keeps the motion gentle and gives a righting moment past 120 angle of heel. The standard finish of the Fantail is one of the highest in the industry. The thought that went into her design is obvious to the discerning yachtsman. For additional information or to arrange a showing, contact Joe Egeberg at Yacht Brokers of Daytona. Contact _Yacht Brokers, Inc._ (http://yachtworld.com/palmcoastyachts) . 645 S. Beach St. Daytona Beach, FL 32114 USA Dear Patrick and Tad: Thank you for all your feedback. You'll see above the information we get regarding the vessel. Yesterday i was able to correspond with Steve Davis about the design and stability of the fantail. Here is his email: Hi Jim, Happy Holidays to you and your family too. So many inaccuracies in the information presented. I did the conceptual design and initial styling on this design. Rob Ladd drew her lines and did all the hydrostatics and my good friend, Bill Scales who worked for Jack Sarin and later on much larger designs at Crescent Beach, refined my concept and really made her work aesthetically. These ARE exceptional boats. There would have been a lot more of them but the builder got greedy and refused to pay royalties to those of us who invested so much but there were I believe over 12 built and Rob saw one for sale at the Duessledorf show 10 years ago. My friend, Jim Mann who imported Camper and Nicholson yachts took on the Fantail and sold all except the first boat and I believe the one you are looking at. Most of the boats sold were delivered to the East Coast. The nature of this design is, essentially, a true trawler hull form. We designed her to be extremely efficient and in fact she requires only 28 shp to make hull speed. She has considerable stability and, in fact the fly bridge version was more comfortable as the moment of inertia was increased which reduced the period of roll. Adding a deck box up top or two would help or even a heavier dink. But remember, this is essentially a sailboat hull with ballast. I don't know Patrick Willard but adding more ballast would be a big mistake. I did regret that we didn't add a chine to her lines back aft which would have given her initial stability; the lack of which is typical in sailboats but not so typical in the new trawler market dominated by Grand Banks and now Nordhavn. These folks were merciless in their criticism of the very capable hull form because it was to their advantage to do so. My one experience with a savvy owner was Don Crowhurst. I sold him hull no. 1 and he used it to travel from California to Alaska for three or four years. Don had been the head football coach at Cal Poly for a lot of years and retired with his wife to cruise the West Coast with their cats. He named the boat Feliner. He first owned a Nordhavn that burnt due to a faulty dry exhaust installation and his praise of the Fantail exceeded even what he thought was possible. I would put you in touch with him but he passed away several years ago. I doubt if anyone used their boat more than Don. We discussed the reality of stability and he said it was a matter of seamanship. Like a sailboat, you don't want to take seas beam on but she is fairly comfortable quartering them. Don said he would watch his weather and go at the best times and he wasn't afraid of "tacking" when conditions called for it. He told me that he and his wife were always more rested and comfortable than their peers in the typical chined vessels as their motion is very snappy at sea while certainly more stable initially. There is a price to pay for this initial stability in comfort offshore. For someone who understands the hull form, this is not a problem but for those who don't, they were frightened by stepping aboard and having the boat move to their weight, Never bothered the sailors but the neophyte power boat guys and maybe more importantly their wives, were often overly concerned because of lack of knowledge. I thought she would benefit from active stabilizers and we designed for them but they are expensive and are only effective at over 6 knots plus the additional wetted surface is more drag so efficiency goes down. Paravanes are an option but you have the expense of rigging and the risk of damage if the loads are not sufficiently designed for. Not for everyone. I liked Don's approach. KISS. Seamanship. The price is very fair. She is easily a $400,000 boat. I'd make certain her engine and drive train are in perfect condition but Jim Mann had designed and installed in several Fantails he sold, an auxiliary drive system off the generator via hydraulics. Since she requires so little hp to move her, this was quite effective as well as pretty inexpensive. If you have had experience with true displacement hull forms and have experience offshore, I believe you will love the Fantail. Like all designs she is a compromise of design. Were we to do it over, she probably would have a modified chine aft to help her initial stability but that would be only for marketing purposes. I think she is everything we hoped she would be from a design standpoint. Feel free to be in touch if you feel the need. Best, Steve Money Yoga is Consciously Transforming People's Relationship with Money. Money Yoga Seminar Series In a message dated 12/25/2008 12:00:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com writes: Send Passagemaking-Under-Power mailing list submissions to passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com You can reach the person managing the list at passagemaking-under-power-owner@lists.samurai.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Passagemaking-Under-Power digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Fantale (Highlan875@aol.com) 2. Re: Fantale (Tad Roberts) 3. Re: Fantale (Patrick Gerety) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 11:09:16 EST From: Highlan875@aol.com Subject: Re: [PUP] Fantale To: passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com Message-ID: <d56.16e4b202.3683b8ac@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thank you Patrick for your informative feedback. We researched that there is 3500 pounds of ballast in the keel which keeps the motion gentle and gives a righting moment past 120 angle of heel. I'm not sure if this ballast was increased as the designer suggested. We were also told that the Transworld 50' Fantale Trawler burns approx. 25 gallons a day with a range of about 1,700 miles. Your feedback was extremely helpful about the roll. This is a concern especially since the boat had passive stabilizers added a few years ago. As you can imagine it will be challenging to experience the roll during the inspection and buying process. This is a concern right now. The appointments, hull materials, mechanicals all appear as you suggest first class. Especially since the boat seems to have been loved. Again, we really appreciate your feedback and now have some serious considerations to resolve. Jim Hughes Message: 4 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 08:13:15 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Gerety <alohaboat@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [PUP] Fantail To: Passagemaking Under Power List <passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com> Message-ID: <755042.17265.qm@web35904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 ----- Original Message ---- From: "Highlan875@aol.com" <Highlan875@aol.com> To: passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 8:35:22 AM Subject: Re: [PUP] Fantale >Any feedback on the fan tale design trawler? IE: TransWorld. Better known as the Fantail 50 trawler. These boats were built in Taiwan at the Transworld yard. They were beautifully appointed and nicely finished. All the materials and equipment aboard were first class. They have a lot of neat details like a hot and cold sink in the engine room for washing up after servicing the systems there. As I recall, there were only 10 or 11 of them built. The biggest problem with the full displacement hull is that it is almost completely round in cross section (very little turn at the chine). They got the reputation for being very rolly even while at the dock. I was on one at a boat show several years ago and there were about 6 or 7 people aboard and you had to hold onto something even while tied to the dock. They do not carry enough fuel to be a serious open ocean cruiser. They are best suited as a coastal cruiser. In my opinion, they require active fin stabilizers while under way and flopper stoppers while at anchor for stability. If you want to pursue long distance cruising, you will have to figure out how to add more fuel capacity (but that would further complicate the hydro dynamics). I talked to the designer of the Fantail 50, the marine illustrator Steve Davis, and he felt the boat would benefit from more ballast. As you can see, all of these considerations starts to involve a complete redesign of the hull. I really love the design and finish of this boat. I seriously con_sidered purchasing one about 10 or 12 years ago. However, the drawbacks mentioned above made me look for alternatives. I'm happy I did. Patrick Willard 40PH ALOHA La Paz, MX ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Passagemaking-Under-Power Mailing List End of Passagemaking-Under-Power Digest, Vol 49, Issue 22 ********************************************************* _ (http://www.moneyyogaseminar.com/) **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0000002 5) ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 10:38:36 -0800 From: "Tad Roberts" <tadroberts@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: [PUP] Fantale To: "'Passagemaking Under Power List'" <passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com> Message-ID: <7au4gf$1b93eo@pd4mo1so-svcs.prod.shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jim, The likelihood that the Fantail 50 will have positive stability anywhere near 120 degrees of heel is slim to impossible. Typical sailing yachts of these (50' by 15.33') dimensions would have an angle of vanishing stability of about 110 degrees. These are boats with substantial (and deep) outside ballast keels and no high deckhouse. In this size boat 3500 pounds of ballast is a drop in the bucket, four times that might start to make a difference in VCG height. But still the boat is so shallow that the ballast can't be very deep. The shallow draft, wide beam, and high deckhouse will add up to an angle of vanishing stability of approximately 80 degrees. When anyone states stability data they must show some documentation, otherwise it's just sales talk. The stability data must show a curve of righting arms at a given displacement and VCG height. Usually stability curves are given at several "load conditions". The first load condition might be "light ship", this is the complete boat without stores, crew, liquids, or owner's items aboard. The second condition should be departure or full load. This is the complete boat with everything aboard including all tanks (except black and grey water) full. Normally this is the heaviest (largest displacement) and lowest VCG, thus the highest stability. The final load condition is "worst case" or arrival condition. In this case the tanks are at 10 percent, stores are depleted, but crew and owner's items are aboard. This means the boat is floating high in the water with a high VCG. Worst case stability is the final criteria. The stability of your boat safeguards the lives of you and your crew, thus it is worth paying attention to. The correct data for your boat can only be ascertained by the input of proven information. The vertical height of G, the center of gravity for the entire boat, is subject to much guessing. This is done because actually measuring the height of G is an elaborate undertaking. It is done by conducting what's called an "Inclining Experiment". This involves heeling your boat with controlled weights moved a measured distance and taking measurements of the angle. This data along with the hull lines and current floatation are the inputs required to arrive at real stability that applies to your actual boat. It is not good enough to state that an inclining has been done on another similar boat. These boats are now 20 years old and many changes (additions) have occurred. There may also be hidden differences in construction that can throw data off. The Fantail 50 has always appeared to me to be an unhappy vessel, to my eye they appear top heavy with too large and high a deckhouse. Also someone miscalculated the weights and they all appear noticeably down by the stern. Be aware that fuel consumption will be quite a bit more than 25 gpd at 8 knots, perhaps double that. To get the 1700 miles you will need to slow down to 6 knots or less. All the best, Tad Roberts www.tadroberts.ca -----Original Message----- From: passagemaking-under-power-bounces@lists.samurai.com [mailto:passagemaking-under-power-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of Highlan875@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 8:09 AM To: passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com Subject: Re: [PUP] Fantale We researched that there is 3500 pounds of ballast in the keel which keeps the motion gentle and gives a righting moment past 120 angle of heel. I'm not sure if this ballast was increased as the designer suggested. We were also told that the Transworld 50' Fantale Trawler burns approx. 25 gallons a day with a range of about 1,700 miles. Jim Hughes ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 11:44:15 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Gerety <alohaboat@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [PUP] Fantale To: Passagemaking Under Power List <passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com> Message-ID: <8025.45131.qm@web35902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 ----- Original Message ---- From: "Highlan875@aol.com" <Highlan875@aol.com> To: passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 9:09:16 AM Subject: Re: [PUP] Fantale >We researched that there is 3500 pounds of ballast in the keel which keeps >the motion gentle and gives a righting moment past 120 angle of heel. I'm not >sure if this ballast was increased as the designer suggested. Jim, I believe that the righting moment of 120 deg. and 1700 mile range are, unfortunately, sales hyperbole in my opinion. The Fantail 50 is listed at 42,500 lbs disp. 3500 lbs ballast would be a ballast/displacement ratio of 8%. My boat has a ballast/displcement ratio of 21%. I don't have 120 deg. stability. Ballast/displacement ratio is NOT the absolute indicator of stability, but only one of many factors to consider. The ballast was never increased during the production of the Fantail 50. The designer told me he tought the ballast should have been increased several years after it went out of production. >We were also told that the Transworld 50' Fantale Trawler burns approx. 25 >gallons a day with a range of about 1,700 miles. Well let's run those numbers. The Fantail 50 lists fuel capacity at 520 gallons. If you divide 520 by 25, you have 20.8 days till all empty. 20.8 days is 499.2 hours. If you cover 1700 miles in 499.2 hours, then you have an average speed of 3.4 knots! Let's figure it another way. If you divide 1700 by 520 fuel capacity you get 3.3 nautical mpg. If you burn 25/24 or 1.04 gph, then multiple 3.3 x 1.04 and again you come up with 3.4 knots! These numbers are theortically possible but 3.4 knots in a trawler is little more than drifting with the currents. My gut feeling is that you will get about a 1200 to 1400 mile range at 6 to 6.5 knots with no generator or stabilizers, burning about 2.5 to 3 gallons per hour, or 70 gal. per day. Running stabiliz_ers and a generator could reduce these numbers. >Again, we really appreciate your feedback and now have some serious >considerations to resolve. Jim, I am not trying to talk you out of this boat. I just want you to have realistic expectations before plunking your money down. This may be the perfect boat for you, but be informed of its capabilities and limitations. Good fortune Patrick Willard 40PH ALOHA La Paz, MX ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Passagemaking-Under-Power Mailing List End of Passagemaking-Under-Power Digest, Vol 49, Issue 23 ********************************************************* _ (http://www.moneyyogaseminar.com/) **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)

----- Original Message ---- From: "Highlan875@aol.com" <Highlan875@aol.com> To: passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 8:31:51 AM Subject: Re: [PUP] Fantale >Thank you for all your feedback. >You'll see above the information we get regarding the vessel. >Yesterday i was able to correspond with Steve Davis about the design and >stability of the fantail. And there you have it, information from a number of different sources and viewpoints. That is what PUP is all about. I still stand by my opinion that the performance specifications provided by the yacht broker are theoretically possible only at 3.4 knots with no generator or stabilizers operating. It is just simply a matter of running the figures. If you like the boat, buy it. Good fortune, Patrick Willard 40PH ALOHA La Paz, MX

One more check on the Fantail is the fuel burn rate. The is NO diesel engine that will produce 28 hp for 24 hours on less that about 45 gallons of fuel. Not the 25 gallons quoted. Normal burn rate is 15 hp for one hour from one gallon of fuel. NOTE - A gasoline engine requires about another 15 to 30% depending on the actual peak pressure of operation, i.e. how open the throttle is. Merry Christmas to all John Harris Sea Saga, CHB 35'

Fuel burn---28hp at hull speed which is usually 1.34 X square root of waterline--If you use a s/l ratio of 1.1-1.2 as hull speed fuel burn decreases. Kevin Kearney JOLIE with a hull that also requires 28hp at 1.34 but operates at 1.1-1.2 and has gotten 5.5mpg at.7.1knots on a 43ft waterline with fuel logs of over 100,000 miles --- On Thu, 12/25/08, John Harris <JohnPH@Comcast.net> wrote: From: John Harris <JohnPH@Comcast.net> Subject: Re: [PUP] Fantale To: "Passagemaking Under Power List" <passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com> Date: Thursday, December 25, 2008, 2:21 PM _______________________________________________http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power To unsubscribe send email to passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com with the word UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks of Water World Productions, formerly known as Trawler World Productions.