Lee, fuel-oil stoves are old and proven technology. While diesel is messy and smelly, kerosene stoves were standard equipment on cruising sailboats some 40-50 years ago. Kerosene can also burn somewhat "dirty", but mixed half & half with mineral spirits, it is pretty clean (mineral spirits alone is too hot and burns up the burners pretty fast). Fuel is cheap and available in the remote areas of our cruising grounds. Disadvantages are they require "priming" (preheating-generally with alcohol) and if you do not keep the burner orifices clean can flare up with yellow, smutty flame. These are the main reasons they gave way to gas, and even non-pressurized alcohol, and probably more inconvenient than switching between "gases". But they do work, and we spent years cruising and feeding a large family with that setup. JohnO -----Original Message----- From: trawlers-and-trawlering-bounces@lists.samurai.com [mailto:trawlers-and-trawlering-bounces@lists.samurai.com]On Behalf Of Lee Licata Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 8:56 AM To Subject: T&T: Diesel Stoves Dear List, The admiral wants a good stove top and oven. Here in Europe, butane is the bottle gas of choice. In America, there is propane. In theory, the boat will be spending time on both sides, and, in theory, could have a "gas" cooking system set up to use butune here, shift it to propane "over there." But, that sounds like work, and, with the possibility of less than effective performance.... (Don't know, maybe someone does?) So, she asked me, why not a stove top and oven powered by diesel fuel? She though is worried about the smell and soot I had no good answer so..... I am posing the question to "The List." TIA Lee PS: I understand Dickinson makes diesel fired stove tops and ovens. PPS: I have a way of "pouring" butane in a propane tank but that also sounds like work, with an "element" of danger. (Risk may or may not decrease with practice.) (Maybe it is not a lot of work to convert one to the other. Might someone know? Maybe if I build the system for propane, shifting to butane is easier? Again, do not know.... Seems like I do not know a lot!!!) PPPS: I have already ruled out electric stove tops. Will have microwave though.... _______________________________________________ http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers-and-trawlering To unsubscribe send email to trawlers-and-trawlering-request@lists.samurai.com with the word UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. Trawlers & Trawlering and T&T are trademarks of Water World Productions. Unauthorized use is prohibited.

Lee, Dikinson, Force 10, or Reflex diesel stoves are a good setup but for larger boat. They need some good space around them. If you are sailing north atlantic, a rule of thumb will be: diesel stoves are good if you are outside the gulfstream or the Med. If you are in warm waters, diesel will keep you out of your boat. Too much radiant heat. The exception is Finland Wallas diesel top and stove. High tech cookers and heaters, very reliable company. Give them a look. Kerosene is not a way to go. Some people still use them, but you find these boats mostly around Hushuaia, Patagonia. Dangerous too, 2 highly inflamable liquids instead of 1, Alcool to warm up and kerosene. LPG is an very good option and maybe the only one. You don't have problem to find gas anywhere in the world except Antarctica. The only problem is maybe the prononciation the word "gas or "gaz"" itself in different langages. But just show the bottle. You can easily buy a set of international connections to refill yourself your own bottle if you are on the diy side. So easy and convenient today. A nice induction table with a s~ inverter to drive it is the last posibility. If you love to spend time cooking, that is maybe the way to go. All the "chefs" love induction. Such a precise control on heat. Ecological and efficient. But if you want to winterize in the Arctic, diesel is a safe choice! John John Owen a icrit : > Lee, fuel-oil stoves are old and proven technology. While diesel is messy > and smelly, kerosene stoves were standard equipment on cruising sailboats > some 40-50 years ago. Kerosene can also burn somewhat "dirty", but mixed > half & half with mineral spirits, it is pretty clean (mineral spirits alone > is too hot and burns up the burners pretty fast). Fuel is cheap and > available in the remote areas of our cruising grounds. Disadvantages are > they require "priming" (preheating-generally with alcohol) and if you do not > keep the burner orifices clean can flare up with yellow, smutty flame. These > are the main reasons they gave way to gas, and even non-pressurized alcohol, > and probably more inconvenient than switching between "gases". But they do > work, and we spent years cruising and feeding a large family with that > setup. > JohnO > > -----Original Message----- > From: trawlers-and-trawlering-bounces@lists.samurai.com > [mailto:trawlers-and-trawlering-bounces@lists.samurai.com]On Behalf Of Lee > Licata > Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 8:56 AM > To > Subject: T&T: Diesel Stoves > > Dear List, > > The admiral wants a good stove top and oven. Here in Europe, butane > is the bottle gas of choice. In America, there is propane. > > In theory, the boat will be spending time on both sides, and, in > theory, could have a "gas" cooking system set up to use butune here, > shift it to propane "over there." > > But, that sounds like work, and, with the possibility of less than > effective performance.... (Don't know, maybe someone does?) > > So, she asked me, why not a stove top and oven powered by diesel > fuel? She though is worried about the smell and soot > > I had no good answer so..... I am posing the question to "The List." > > TIA > > Lee > > PS: I understand Dickinson makes diesel fired stove tops and ovens. > > PPS: I have a way of "pouring" butane in a propane tank but that also > sounds like work, with an "element" of danger. (Risk may or may not > decrease with practice.) (Maybe it is not a lot of work to convert > one to the other. Might someone know? Maybe if I build the system for > propane, shifting to butane is easier? Again, do not know.... Seems > like I do not know a lot!!!) > > PPPS: I have already ruled out electric stove tops. Will have > microwave though.... > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers-and-trawlering > > To unsubscribe send email to > trawlers-and-trawlering-request@lists.samurai.com with the word > UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. > > Trawlers & Trawlering and T&T are trademarks of Water World > Productions. Unauthorized use is prohibited. > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers-and-trawlering > > To unsubscribe send email to > trawlers-and-trawlering-request@lists.samurai.com with the word > UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. > > Trawlers & Trawlering and T&T are trademarks of Water World > Productions. Unauthorized use is prohibited.