Tom, Offshore dumping of sewage is one thing ... dumping it into a river is even worse. For example, my home port, on the Hackensack River in New Jersey ..... upstream is the city of Hackensack which has a connection between the "sanitary sewers" and the storm water drains, and whenever it rains the two flush together. This causes raw untreated sewage to flow down the Hackensack river, where it flows into the Meadowlands Wildlife Area. When there is no rain, there is no waterflow at all, and the sewage flushes back and forth with the tide until its replaced by the next load of sewage next time it rains. Bizarrely, the system was designed to do this. This is actually not limited to NJ, it goes on everywhere. Luckily I'm moving in a few months to the Champlain Canal, where the water is muddy but free of sewage. Instead of sewarge they have PCBs there a distance downstream from me, left over from manufacturing back in the 1960's. America The Beautiful! Fred Tug 44 ---------------------------------------- From: "tom" <fourniercontracting@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 8:14 PM To: great-loop@lists.samurai.com Subject: GL: Sewage dumping in south Florida I was born and raised in Miami and know when I was a kid this was going on but this weekend my brother in law saw this article in the paper and I could not believe that in this day and time this would be still going on to this extent, and the government is wanting us to get a permit for our boats??????????? Please go to this site and read this article, it is unbelieveable to me!!!!! http://www.miamiherald.com/news/breaking_news/story/480133.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.5/1357 - Release Date: 4/3/2008 10:48 AM _______________________________________________ http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) go to: http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/options/great-loop

Same thing in the Umpqua where we dredge gold in Oregon. The state prevents them from dumping in the summer (supposedly) but anytime I see what looks like dish soap bubbles coming downstream, I'm out of there. I'm somewhat bemused by all the scrutiny over sewage handles on our little boats when the municipalities dump untold amounts. From the Oregon EPA: Waste load allocations are expressed as the effluent concentration allowed by the bacteria standard: 126 E. coli org./100 ml as a log-mean based on a minimum of 5 samples in a 30-day period and no single sample exceeding 406 E. coli org./100 ml (Table 2.8). NPDES permits use a concentration target for E. coli rather than a load. Maximum waste load figures are derived from the maximum permitted daily flow for a facility (Table 2.9) and the average bacteria standard. Maximum waste load figures are used in the computations but are not allocations. The two wastewater treatment plants in the basin are not permitted to discharge between June and October because of other water quality concerns. This time period roughly corresponds with the dry and low flow periods. Therefore, in Table 2.8, the maximum waste load is presented as zero during these ranges of flows. However, if the wastewater treatment plants discharge effluent that is at or below the bacteria standard they will not cause or contribute to bacteria violations and, hence, will be meeting the bacteria TMDL. The treatment plants in the basin have requested a waste load allocation throughout the year whether they discharge or not. Therefore, they are given the same concentration waste load allocations for all ranges of flows. The two treatment plants in the watershed currently meet their waste load allocations (Table 2.10). Table 2.8. TMDL by Range of Flows If you don't know what "gold dredging" is, here is a clip: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ay2zZ7Dee3I > Tom, > > Offshore dumping of sewage is one thing ... dumping it into a river is > even worse. For example, my home port, on the Hackensack River in > New Jersey > ..... upstream is the city of Hackensack which has a connection > between the > "sanitary sewers" and the storm water drains, and whenever it rains > the two > flush together. This causes raw untreated sewage to flow down the > Hackensack > river, where it flows into the Meadowlands Wildlife Area. When > there is no > rain, there is no waterflow at all, and the sewage flushes back and > forth with > the tide until its replaced by the next load of sewage next time it > rains. > Bizarrely, the system was designed to do this. > > This is actually not limited > to NJ, it goes on everywhere. > > Luckily I'm moving in a few months to the > Champlain Canal, where the water is muddy but free of sewage. > Instead of > sewarge they have PCBs there a distance downstream from me, left > over from > manufacturing back in the 1960's. > > America The Beautiful! > > Fred > Tug 44 > ----------------------------------------

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This ought to generate some interesting discussion. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=590_1206082695 Should be an interesting discussion about WHO IS AT FAULT . R.

>>This ought to generate some interesting discussion. I was originally prepared to say "let's wait until we know the evidence" but the video evidence makes the error pretty clear. Inattention John Harris CHB-35 Sea Saga -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 102 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

...On two captain's part. Either boat could have yielded. Of course, the "right of way" should have been to the boat on the starboard side - the speedboat. Technically, the USCG boat is at fault. ...But practically speaking, all is very clear when the speedboat captain says, "I didn't even see the other boat until it hit us." Pretty much, that sums up that he wasn't looking where he was going. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Harris" <JohnPH@Comcast.net> To: "GL" <great-loop@lists.samurai.com> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 6:33 PM Subject: Re: GL: USCG Auxilliary boat hits/sinks speedboat >>>This ought to generate some interesting discussion. > > I was originally prepared to say "let's wait until we know the evidence" > but the video evidence makes the error pretty clear. Inattention > > John Harris > CHB-35 > Sea Saga > > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 102 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop > > To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, > unsubscribe, etc.) go to: > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/options/great-loop