Thank you Janice, but your method and procedure on "span rate" calls is not
the way your billing policy worked in reality. You may check any of my
bills prior to December 2004 to verify this. Early last year two CSRs from
two different regions confirmed you billed on call termination only. I
verified this with specific tests using my account before I went on a
speaking tour for West Marine TrawlerFest bragging about Verizon's good
sense in meeting the competition through call termination billing and
recommending Verizon as the cruiser's carrier of choice.
I really think you need to additionally escalate this issue to both your
legal and customer relations departments. Someone is giving you bad
information. The fact of the matter is you did change your accounting
practice without notifying your customers. I would submit a "take-away" at a
time when the AT&T/Cingular merger is likely to produce some real
competition could be a public relations nightmare.
The cruising community has relied on your call termination billing for well
over a year. I'm sure other cruisers would be happy to produce bills
indicating a zero charge for calls initiated prior to off peak and
terminating off-peak.
Take some time and do a forensic analysis of my 3Q04 bills or earlier. I'll
buy you dinner if I'm wrong!
Regards....
Phil Rosch
Old Harbor Consulting
M/V Curmudgeon MT-44TC
Currently Lying New Bern, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: VZW - NNE Customer Service
[mailto:vzwkanacsInternetNE@gl.verizonwireless.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 12:33 PM
To: Philip J. Rosch
Subject: Re: FW: Other (KMM19101599V72777L0KM)
Dear Philip,
Thank you for contacting Verizon Wireless through our website.
We received your e-mail regarding Span Rate calls, and we are happy to
assist you.
A Span Rate call originates in one rate period and continues into another
rate period.
Rate periods are defined as follows:
Peak Hours (Days):
6:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m., Monday through Friday
Off-Peak (Nighttime and Weekend) Hours:
Nights: Monday - Friday, 9:01 p.m. to 5:59 a.m.
Weekends: 12:01 a.m., Saturday, to 11:59 p.m., Sunday
For example, a call that starts during Peak hours and ends during Off-Peak
hours is a Span Rate call. A call placed at 8:58 p.m., lasting five
minutes, will be calculated as three minutes Peak and two minutes Off-Peak.
I apologize for the previous reply regarding these type calls.
Our Method & Procedure on "Span Rate Calls", has been in effect since
December 2, 2002.
Per your request, I will forward a copy of your letter over to our Marketing
Department. I cannot guarantee that the current span rate billing will
change, but your issues and concerns will be heard.
We appreciate your business. Thank you for using Verizon Wireless products
and services.
Sincerely,
Janice
Verizon Wireless
Customer Service
"We never stop working for you!"
The above response is subject to the terms of your Customer Agreement and
calling plan, which apply to all lines on your account. Please read those
materials for full details. Our liability is limited. In the event of a
conflict between this response and the terms of your Customer Agreement and
calling plan, the terms of your Customer Agreement and calling plan will
govern. Verizon Wireless' calling plans, rate areas, rates, agreement
provisions, business practices, procedures and policies are subject to
change as specified in the Customer Agreement. If you should have any
questions or concerns regarding your service with Verizon Wireless, please
contact us at 800-922-0204 or e-mail us through our website at
www.verizonwireless.com.
Original Message Follows:
Resending...
Regards....
Phil Rosch
Old Harbor Consulting
M/V Curmudgeon MT-44TC
Currently Lying New Bern, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: Philip J. Rosch [mailto:pjr@netsense.net]
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 10:06 PM
To: 'VZW - NNE Customer Service'
Subject: RE: Other (KMM19005169V27868L0KM)
Thanks Kim, but you didn't answer my question. When was the policy change
made and how did you notify your customers of the change?
Regards....
Phil Rosch
Old Harbor Consulting
M/V Curmudgeon MT-44TC
Currently Lying Barefoot Landing, SC
-----Original Message-----
From: VZW - NNE Customer Service
[mailto:vzwkanacsInternetNE@gl.verizonwireless.com]
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 9:11 AM
To: Philip Rosch
Subject: Re: Other (KMM19005169V27868L0KM)
Dear Philip,
Thank you for contacting Verizon Wireless through our website.
We appreciate your taking the time to let us know your comments and
suggestions the Peak and Offpeak hours, as we are always looking for ways to
enhance our way of doing business to better meet the needs of our customers.
The Peak and Off-Peak hours are as follows:
Peak Hours (Days):
6:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m., Monday through Friday
Off-Peak (Nighttime and Weekend) Hours:
Nights: Monday - Friday, 9:01 p.m. to 5:59 a.m.
Weekends: 12:01 a.m., Saturday, to 11:59 p.m., Sunday
Please note: Start and stop times for these hours are determined by the
time zone in which your wireless phone is used.
Your comments have been forwarded to the appropriate department for review
and consideration. Your feedback provides us with the perfect opportunity
to hear exactly what you think, and often leads to improvements you will see
in the future.
Verizon Wireless takes all comments from our customers seriously and we
would like to assist you with your questions or concerns as quickly as
possible.
We appreciate your continued loyalty to Verizon Wireless. You are a valued
customer, and we appreciate your business. Our goal is to continue to
provide you with the quality customer service you expect and deserve.
Please remember, as part of our Worry Free Guarantee you will enjoy
America's best, most reliable wireless network. Feel free to contact us
again through www.verizonwireless.com if you have any further questions.
Sincerely,
Kim
Verizon Wireless
Customer Service
"We never stop working for you!"
The above response is subject to the terms of your Customer Agreement and
calling plan, which apply to all lines on your account. Please read those
materials for full details. Our liability is limited. In the event of a
conflict between this response and the terms of your Customer Agreement and
calling plan, the terms of your Customer Agreement and calling plan will
govern. Verizon Wireless' calling plans, rate areas, rates, agreement
provisions, business practices, procedures and policies are subject to
change as specified in the Customer Agreement. If you should have any
questions or concerns regarding your service with Verizon Wireless, please
contact us at 800-922-0204 or e-mail us through our website at
www.verizonwireless.com.
Original Message Follows:
Form Message
MAIL_ADDRESS: pjr@netsense.net
Market ID: New England
Zip Code: 02879
Full Name: Philip Rosch
Email Address: pjr@netsense.net
Daytime Phone Area Code:
Daytime Phone Prefix:
Daytime Phone Suffix:
Daytime Phone Extension:
Fax Area Code:
Fax Prefix:
Fax Suffix:
Account Number:
Mobile Area Code: 401
Mobile Prefix: 742
Mobile Suffix: 6970
SSN: ****
Primary Subject: Other
Secondary Subject: Other
Message Body: A few years ago, a cruising friend informed me Verizon
billed on call termination. For example if you had free nights and
weekends and initiated a call at 8:30 PM and talked until 9:02PM, the
entire call would be billed as a free ?off peak? call. At first, it
didn?t seem logical, so I tested it over a few months by specifically
checking the charges for calls placed prior to 9pm and found it was
true. I also called two Verizon reps in two different states to verify
the policy. They had to dig a bit, but confirmed it as true. We went to
the Bahamas in January and February and suspended service on our cell
phones because Verizon doesn?t support the Bahamas. When we returned, I
noticed my Verizon automatic bill payment system made two payments to
Verizon for bills over $200 when my bill is usually under $100.
Yesterday a friend called and said his bill went out of sight and found
Verizon had changed its policy on billing on call termination. Now
minutes before 9PM are charged peak and minutes after 9PM are charged
off peak even if it?s a single call. I do a lot of speaking engagements
for boat shows and lecture on the cruising lifestyle. I also write for
Yachting magazines. I always talk about Verizon?s call termination
billing policy in my presentations because it?s a differentiator between
you and Cingular/ATT. They may have roll-over minutes, but Verizon bills
on call termination. I must have told thousands of people about your
policy and have written about it frequently as a good reason to stay
with Verizon. I?d like to know when you made the policy change, and how
you notified your customer base of that change. Candidly, I think you
might have a public relations nightmare brewing over this policy change.
Please escalate this to your public relations VP?I think he/she will be
very interested! You can reach me at pjr@netsense.net or (401) 742-6970
R/S Philip J. Rosch
Thank you Janice, but your method and procedure on "span rate" calls is not
the way your billing policy worked in reality. You may check any of my
bills prior to December 2004 to verify this. Early last year two CSRs from
two different regions confirmed you billed on call termination only. I
verified this with specific tests using my account before I went on a
speaking tour for West Marine TrawlerFest bragging about Verizon's good
sense in meeting the competition through call termination billing and
recommending Verizon as the cruiser's carrier of choice.
I really think you need to additionally escalate this issue to both your
legal and customer relations departments. Someone is giving you bad
information. The fact of the matter is you did change your accounting
practice without notifying your customers. I would submit a "take-away" at a
time when the AT&T/Cingular merger is likely to produce some real
competition could be a public relations nightmare.
The cruising community has relied on your call termination billing for well
over a year. I'm sure other cruisers would be happy to produce bills
indicating a zero charge for calls initiated prior to off peak and
terminating off-peak.
Take some time and do a forensic analysis of my 3Q04 bills or earlier. I'll
buy you dinner if I'm wrong!
Regards....
Phil Rosch
Old Harbor Consulting
M/V Curmudgeon MT-44TC
Currently Lying New Bern, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: VZW - NNE Customer Service
[mailto:vzwkanacsInternetNE@gl.verizonwireless.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 12:33 PM
To: Philip J. Rosch
Subject: Re: FW: Other (KMM19101599V72777L0KM)
Dear Philip,
Thank you for contacting Verizon Wireless through our website.
We received your e-mail regarding Span Rate calls, and we are happy to
assist you.
A Span Rate call originates in one rate period and continues into another
rate period.
Rate periods are defined as follows:
Peak Hours (Days):
6:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m., Monday through Friday
Off-Peak (Nighttime and Weekend) Hours:
Nights: Monday - Friday, 9:01 p.m. to 5:59 a.m.
Weekends: 12:01 a.m., Saturday, to 11:59 p.m., Sunday
For example, a call that starts during Peak hours and ends during Off-Peak
hours is a Span Rate call. A call placed at 8:58 p.m., lasting five
minutes, will be calculated as three minutes Peak and two minutes Off-Peak.
I apologize for the previous reply regarding these type calls.
Our Method & Procedure on "Span Rate Calls", has been in effect since
December 2, 2002.
Per your request, I will forward a copy of your letter over to our Marketing
Department. I cannot guarantee that the current span rate billing will
change, but your issues and concerns will be heard.
We appreciate your business. Thank you for using Verizon Wireless products
and services.
Sincerely,
Janice
Verizon Wireless
Customer Service
"We never stop working for you!"
The above response is subject to the terms of your Customer Agreement and
calling plan, which apply to all lines on your account. Please read those
materials for full details. Our liability is limited. In the event of a
conflict between this response and the terms of your Customer Agreement and
calling plan, the terms of your Customer Agreement and calling plan will
govern. Verizon Wireless' calling plans, rate areas, rates, agreement
provisions, business practices, procedures and policies are subject to
change as specified in the Customer Agreement. If you should have any
questions or concerns regarding your service with Verizon Wireless, please
contact us at 800-922-0204 or e-mail us through our website at
www.verizonwireless.com.
Original Message Follows:
------------------------
Resending...
Regards....
Phil Rosch
Old Harbor Consulting
M/V Curmudgeon MT-44TC
Currently Lying New Bern, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: Philip J. Rosch [mailto:pjr@netsense.net]
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 10:06 PM
To: 'VZW - NNE Customer Service'
Subject: RE: Other (KMM19005169V27868L0KM)
Thanks Kim, but you didn't answer my question. When was the policy change
made and how did you notify your customers of the change?
Regards....
Phil Rosch
Old Harbor Consulting
M/V Curmudgeon MT-44TC
Currently Lying Barefoot Landing, SC
-----Original Message-----
From: VZW - NNE Customer Service
[mailto:vzwkanacsInternetNE@gl.verizonwireless.com]
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 9:11 AM
To: Philip Rosch
Subject: Re: Other (KMM19005169V27868L0KM)
Dear Philip,
Thank you for contacting Verizon Wireless through our website.
We appreciate your taking the time to let us know your comments and
suggestions the Peak and Offpeak hours, as we are always looking for ways to
enhance our way of doing business to better meet the needs of our customers.
The Peak and Off-Peak hours are as follows:
Peak Hours (Days):
6:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m., Monday through Friday
Off-Peak (Nighttime and Weekend) Hours:
Nights: Monday - Friday, 9:01 p.m. to 5:59 a.m.
Weekends: 12:01 a.m., Saturday, to 11:59 p.m., Sunday
Please note: Start and stop times for these hours are determined by the
time zone in which your wireless phone is used.
Your comments have been forwarded to the appropriate department for review
and consideration. Your feedback provides us with the perfect opportunity
to hear exactly what you think, and often leads to improvements you will see
in the future.
Verizon Wireless takes all comments from our customers seriously and we
would like to assist you with your questions or concerns as quickly as
possible.
We appreciate your continued loyalty to Verizon Wireless. You are a valued
customer, and we appreciate your business. Our goal is to continue to
provide you with the quality customer service you expect and deserve.
Please remember, as part of our Worry Free Guarantee you will enjoy
America's best, most reliable wireless network. Feel free to contact us
again through www.verizonwireless.com if you have any further questions.
Sincerely,
Kim
Verizon Wireless
Customer Service
"We never stop working for you!"
The above response is subject to the terms of your Customer Agreement and
calling plan, which apply to all lines on your account. Please read those
materials for full details. Our liability is limited. In the event of a
conflict between this response and the terms of your Customer Agreement and
calling plan, the terms of your Customer Agreement and calling plan will
govern. Verizon Wireless' calling plans, rate areas, rates, agreement
provisions, business practices, procedures and policies are subject to
change as specified in the Customer Agreement. If you should have any
questions or concerns regarding your service with Verizon Wireless, please
contact us at 800-922-0204 or e-mail us through our website at
www.verizonwireless.com.
Original Message Follows:
------------------------
Form Message
MAIL_ADDRESS: pjr@netsense.net
Market ID: New England
Zip Code: 02879
Full Name: Philip Rosch
Email Address: pjr@netsense.net
Daytime Phone Area Code:
Daytime Phone Prefix:
Daytime Phone Suffix:
Daytime Phone Extension:
Fax Area Code:
Fax Prefix:
Fax Suffix:
Account Number:
Mobile Area Code: 401
Mobile Prefix: 742
Mobile Suffix: 6970
SSN: ****
Primary Subject: Other
Secondary Subject: Other
Message Body: A few years ago, a cruising friend informed me Verizon
billed on call termination. For example if you had free nights and
weekends and initiated a call at 8:30 PM and talked until 9:02PM, the
entire call would be billed as a free ?off peak? call. At first, it
didn?t seem logical, so I tested it over a few months by specifically
checking the charges for calls placed prior to 9pm and found it was
true. I also called two Verizon reps in two different states to verify
the policy. They had to dig a bit, but confirmed it as true. We went to
the Bahamas in January and February and suspended service on our cell
phones because Verizon doesn?t support the Bahamas. When we returned, I
noticed my Verizon automatic bill payment system made two payments to
Verizon for bills over $200 when my bill is usually under $100.
Yesterday a friend called and said his bill went out of sight and found
Verizon had changed its policy on billing on call termination. Now
minutes before 9PM are charged peak and minutes after 9PM are charged
off peak even if it?s a single call. I do a lot of speaking engagements
for boat shows and lecture on the cruising lifestyle. I also write for
Yachting magazines. I always talk about Verizon?s call termination
billing policy in my presentations because it?s a differentiator between
you and Cingular/ATT. They may have roll-over minutes, but Verizon bills
on call termination. I must have told thousands of people about your
policy and have written about it frequently as a good reason to stay
with Verizon. I?d like to know when you made the policy change, and how
you notified your customer base of that change. Candidly, I think you
might have a public relations nightmare brewing over this policy change.
Please escalate this to your public relations VP?I think he/she will be
very interested! You can reach me at pjr@netsense.net or (401) 742-6970
R/S Philip J. Rosch