Interesting!

Have you maybe considered to base it on the cloud foundry?

Davorin Rusevljan
http://www.cloud208.com/

On May 17, 2011 6:26 PM, "laurent laffont" laurent.laffont@gmail.com
wrote:

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Bernat Romagosa <
tibabenfortlapalanca@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes, that's why we haven't called it SeasideSomething.

We want the project to be open and support several web frameworks. We will
start with Seaside though.

Laurent.

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On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Davorin Rusevljan <
davorin.rusevljan@gmail.com> wrote:

Actually we have several visions (nothing is final here, ideas welcome)

1/ SmallHarbour platform is meant to be a base for YOUR own hosting
platform, like your own seaside hosting. So whether you put it on the cloud
or on a real server should be a preference.

Actually we don't have any experience with cloud, so help will be
appreciated.

We plan to have a virtual appliance based on virtual box / vmware /.... for
an easy setup. Amazon VMI image should be a good idea too (we have to
learn).

For example:
a / I work in an enterprise, I want to easily deploy Smalltalk web
applications / tools on intranet for my co-workers and I don't want to spend
time on setting up servers, apache, ...... So I could just get the
appliance, start it and I'm ready to deploy several images.

b / I want to set up a unique VPS (or cloud platform) to deploy several
Smalltalk web apps / sites. I could just put my preferred Linux distro, then

apt-get install smallharbour  / pacman -s smallharbour / ....

/etc/rc.d/smallharbour start

and let's go !

2/ SmallHarbour hosting service which be like SeasideHosting, but for
commercial purposes. So you should create an account, pay a monthly / yearly
fee related to the service you want, then either

a/ upload your own image (like you do for SeasideHosting) if you're a power
user

b/ one-click deploy of pre-made image if you just want to setup a CMS, blog,
write a new book, event planing, ... Pre-made images should be updated
easily.

3/ People who need scalability, performance, deep customization don't need
SmallHarbour :)

Laurent

Davorin Rusevljan

Hi Laurent. You should take a look to GLASS applicance.
It is similar to what you want. You can take ideas from there.

BTW, cool project and congrats!

mariano

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:19 PM, laurent laffont
laurent.laffont@gmail.comwrote:

--
Mariano
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On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:19 PM, laurent laffont
laurent.laffont@gmail.com wrote:

..

Having Amazon ec2 image is also a very good idea, and some
Smalltalkers have already made first important steps like:

http://www.nickager.com/blog/Create-a-free-Gemstone-server-in-the-cloud-in-10-minutes/

You probably already have enough on your plate, but I mentioned
CloudFoundry for following reasons:

• it has a promise that one would be able to deploy SmallHarbour to
  different cloud providers
• CloudFoundry currently provides support for Java, Ruby and
  Javascript, adding Smalltalk would be nice for visibility, and could
  be used for other Smalltalk services not only SmallHarbour.

As I said you probably have enough to do in the first place, but if
you just happen to have some student lurking that has some ruby
knowledge to hack the interface for Smalltalk to Cloudfoundry it would
be very nice to have :)

As for your other goals - great!

Davorin Rusevljan
http://www.cloud208.com/

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <
marianopeck@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes, good idea to have a look.

I actually wonder which database support should come out of the box.

Laurent.

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:41 PM, laurent laffont
laurent.laffont@gmail.comwrote:

Do it directly on top of Glass and you already have a lot of things for
free, included that question ;)
You only need to implement the logistic for the app (kind of
seasidehosting).

--
Mariano
http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <
marianopeck@gmail.com> wrote:

I would like all the stack to be open source. Gemstone isn't ?

Laurent.

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:37 PM, Davorin Rusevljan <
davorin.rusevljan@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes. Indeed I would like contributing to SmallHarbour to be easy. So
Cloundfoundry should be one (worthwhile) among several ways to deploy
SmallHarbour platform.

Laurent Laffont - @lolgzs http://twitter.com/#!/lolgzs

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On 05/17/2011 12:37 PM, Davorin Rusevljan wrote:

Laurent/Davorin,

We are in the process of adding support for deploying GLASS applications
into the Cloud Foundry, but I wouldn't mind helping folks who are
interested in adding support for other Smalltalks into the Cloud Foundry
... The Cloud Foundry is written largely in ruby, so you'll need to be
wearing your ruby dancing shoes:)

Dale

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Dale Henrichs dhenrich@vmware.com wrote:

Thanks Dale, just need to wax my shoes first, haven't worn them for a long
time :)

Laurent.