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Re: HP Z3801A project update

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ed breya
Fri, Feb 4, 2022 2:44 AM

I've been wrapping up the last major sheet metal parts, and found I had
no ground tie in for the box that holds the Z3801A's power supply. This
is the part that holds the PS board cantilevered up over the main board,
in its proper position that's necessarily different from original. The
whole thing mounts on the original PS board posts on the main board. I
found that none of these posts are tied to the main ground plane,
contrary to what I had thought. The box is a major structure, serving as
a plenum to control air circulation, an EMC shield, and a mounting deck
for experimental circuits (for later on). Not good to be groundless.

I had to add some heavy grounding posts for it into the main board
mounting scheme. It worked out well, but set me back a bit.

Before moving on to the internal battery system wrap up, since the guts
are all in place again for a while, I decided to try talking to it with
the old SatStat program. It took a while to find it, and I had to fix
the COM ports board on my main computer (long story). After some grief,
I finally got everything hooked up and running. Happily, it still works
after all these years. This is the first time I've talked to it in over
ten years.

It seems to all be working OK, except the reported date is slightly off

  • by about twenty years. It says it's 20 Jun 2002. The setup isn't
    optimal - it's just a little GPS antenna propped up against the office
    door glass. It only sees about three satellites, but enough to lock and
    report mostly right. I assume the date thing will either fix itself
    after some time, or maybe it's due to a bug. I've heard of various
    rollover issues and such over the years, but don't recall any details -
    since my stuff wasn't working anyway, I didn't pay much attention.

If anyone happens to know offhand, what the date issues are and any
hopefully easy fix, I'd appreciate hearing about it.

The 1PPS TI reports typically +/- a few to 10 nSec bouncing around - I
haven't seen it go beyond 20 so far.

The location seems right on. I found some of my notes from way back,
when I had it hooked to a decent outdoor antenna - the coordinates are
exactly the same. This setup is about 5-10 m away from the original
location.

The EFC initially reported 631 247, and moved around while I was fooling
with it. The highest I observed was 631 268, and the lowest 631 237, so
far. I put the top cover on to let it warm up and stabilize the
compartment, about an hour ago, and the last look while writing, is 631
245. It seems to move up and down by a few counts at most, with
recurring checks.

I don't know if these kind of EFC numbers are good or bad at this point.
I'd appreciate any advice on whether this all seems OK or not.

Ed

I've been wrapping up the last major sheet metal parts, and found I had no ground tie in for the box that holds the Z3801A's power supply. This is the part that holds the PS board cantilevered up over the main board, in its proper position that's necessarily different from original. The whole thing mounts on the original PS board posts on the main board. I found that none of these posts are tied to the main ground plane, contrary to what I had thought. The box is a major structure, serving as a plenum to control air circulation, an EMC shield, and a mounting deck for experimental circuits (for later on). Not good to be groundless. I had to add some heavy grounding posts for it into the main board mounting scheme. It worked out well, but set me back a bit. Before moving on to the internal battery system wrap up, since the guts are all in place again for a while, I decided to try talking to it with the old SatStat program. It took a while to find it, and I had to fix the COM ports board on my main computer (long story). After some grief, I finally got everything hooked up and running. Happily, it still works after all these years. This is the first time I've talked to it in over ten years. It seems to all be working OK, except the reported date is slightly off - by about twenty years. It says it's 20 Jun 2002. The setup isn't optimal - it's just a little GPS antenna propped up against the office door glass. It only sees about three satellites, but enough to lock and report mostly right. I assume the date thing will either fix itself after some time, or maybe it's due to a bug. I've heard of various rollover issues and such over the years, but don't recall any details - since my stuff wasn't working anyway, I didn't pay much attention. If anyone happens to know offhand, what the date issues are and any hopefully easy fix, I'd appreciate hearing about it. The 1PPS TI reports typically +/- a few to 10 nSec bouncing around - I haven't seen it go beyond 20 so far. The location seems right on. I found some of my notes from way back, when I had it hooked to a decent outdoor antenna - the coordinates are exactly the same. This setup is about 5-10 m away from the original location. The EFC initially reported 631 247, and moved around while I was fooling with it. The highest I observed was 631 268, and the lowest 631 237, so far. I put the top cover on to let it warm up and stabilize the compartment, about an hour ago, and the last look while writing, is 631 245. It seems to move up and down by a few counts at most, with recurring checks. I don't know if these kind of EFC numbers are good or bad at this point. I'd appreciate any advice on whether this all seems OK or not. Ed
BB
Bill Beam
Fri, Feb 4, 2022 4:06 AM

On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 18:44:54 -0800, ed breya wrote:

It seems to all be working OK, except the reported date is slightly off

  • by about twenty years. It says it's 20 Jun 2002. The setup isn't
    optimal - it's just a little GPS antenna propped up against the office
    door glass. It only sees about three satellites, but enough to lock and
    report mostly right. I assume the date thing will either fix itself
    after some time, or maybe it's due to a bug. I've heard of various
    rollover issues and such over the years, but don't recall any details -
    since my stuff wasn't working anyway, I didn't pay much attention.

If anyone happens to know offhand, what the date issues are and any
hopefully easy fix, I'd appreciate hearing about it.

The date issue is a 1024 week rollover failure in the GPS receiver.
A fix is to replace the GPS receiver with one that does not have this problem.

Bill Beam
NL7F

On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 18:44:54 -0800, ed breya wrote: >It seems to all be working OK, except the reported date is slightly off >- by about twenty years. It says it's 20 Jun 2002. The setup isn't >optimal - it's just a little GPS antenna propped up against the office >door glass. It only sees about three satellites, but enough to lock and >report mostly right. I assume the date thing will either fix itself >after some time, or maybe it's due to a bug. I've heard of various >rollover issues and such over the years, but don't recall any details - >since my stuff wasn't working anyway, I didn't pay much attention. >If anyone happens to know offhand, what the date issues are and any >hopefully easy fix, I'd appreciate hearing about it. The date issue is a 1024 week rollover failure in the GPS receiver. A fix is to replace the GPS receiver with one that does not have this problem. Bill Beam NL7F