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Norm Miller

Wed, Nov 21, 2012 2:38 AM

In this weeks Waterways Journal (November 19th 2012) there is an article titled: "Synthetic Lubricants Helps Cut Waste". It describes St Louis-based AEP River Operations, with 90 tow boats (HP from 1550 to 11,000) and 3200 hopper barges pushing more than 70 million tons of cargo for its customers in 2010 (http://www.aepriverops.com/), effort to "reduce emissions while improving performance and reliability of its fleet".

The study found,"upgrading from premium mineral oil to fully synthetic oil enabled AEP to:
Decrease it's oil usage by an average of 80 percent; extend it oil drain intervals from 500-1000 hours to more than 5000 hours; decrease it's waste oil disposal by an average of 80 percent; and reduce overall down time.

AEP selected Mobil Delvac 1 ESP 5W-40, a fully synthetic diesel oil manufactured by Exxon Mobil (main and generator engines). The company also chose Mobil EAL Envirosyn H Series readily bio-degradable hydraulic oils for the fleet's line-haul steering systems.

Now, I have no connection to AEP or Mobil (other than, like all of you I buy lots of oil for my boat) but the message cannot be ignored. As we winterize in prep for 2013 should full synthetics be the oil (what are the best brands?) to use if we want what AEP does?

Norm Miller
Quiet Company

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In this weeks Waterways Journal (November 19th 2012) there is an article titled: "Synthetic Lubricants Helps Cut Waste". It describes St Louis-based AEP River Operations, with 90 tow boats (HP from 1550 to 11,000) and 3200 hopper barges pushing more than 70 million tons of cargo for its customers in 2010 (http://www.aepriverops.com/), effort to "reduce emissions while improving performance and reliability of its fleet". The study found,"upgrading from premium mineral oil to fully synthetic oil enabled AEP to: Decrease it's oil usage by an average of 80 percent; extend it oil drain intervals from 500-1000 hours to more than 5000 hours; decrease it's waste oil disposal by an average of 80 percent; and reduce overall down time. AEP selected Mobil Delvac 1 ESP 5W-40, a fully synthetic diesel oil manufactured by Exxon Mobil (main and generator engines). The company also chose Mobil EAL Envirosyn H Series readily bio-degradable hydraulic oils for the fleet's line-haul steering systems. Now, I have no connection to AEP or Mobil (other than, like all of you I buy lots of oil for my boat) but the message cannot be ignored. As we winterize in prep for 2013 should full synthetics be the oil (what are the best brands?) to use if we want what AEP does? Norm Miller Quiet Company Sent from my iPad

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Joseph Pica

Wed, Nov 21, 2012 4:04 AM

Snip:"...In this weeks Waterways Journal (November 19th 2012) there is an
article titled: "Synthetic Lubricants Helps Cut Waste". It describes St
Louis-based AEP River Operations, with 90 tow boats (HP from 1550 to 11,000)
and 3200 hopper barges pushing more than 70 million tons of cargo for its
customers in 2010 (http://www.aepriverops.com/), effort to "reduce emissions
while improving performance and reliability of its fleet". ..."

Norm,
I cannot find the article...or the Waterways Journal via the link provided.
Further guidance?

Joe
Happy Thanksgiving!!!

M/V "Carolyn Ann" GH N-37
MTOA# 3813
AGLCA# 5485 (Platinum Looper)
http://carolynann-n37.blogspot.com/
Joseph.pica@gmail.com

Snip:"...In this weeks Waterways Journal (November 19th 2012) there is an article titled: "Synthetic Lubricants Helps Cut Waste". It describes St Louis-based AEP River Operations, with 90 tow boats (HP from 1550 to 11,000) and 3200 hopper barges pushing more than 70 million tons of cargo for its customers in 2010 (http://www.aepriverops.com/), effort to "reduce emissions while improving performance and reliability of its fleet". ..." Norm, I cannot find the article...or the Waterways Journal via the link provided. Further guidance? Joe Happy Thanksgiving!!! M/V "Carolyn Ann" GH N-37 MTOA# 3813 AGLCA# 5485 (Platinum Looper) http://carolynann-n37.blogspot.com/ Joseph.pica@gmail.com

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Al Thomason

Wed, Nov 21, 2012 6:07 AM

Seems to me going from 10+ oil changes a year to 1 or 2 would result in the
80% reductions in waste oil and down time.

And I guess one observation would be: at an average of 100-200hr/year,
recreational boaters would need 25-50 years to accumulate 5000hrs of
operation. Something I suspect these commercial craft easily accomplish
within a calendar year.

Isn't there valid reasons for changing oil yearly, independent of what type
of oil one uses?

-al-

Viking Star
45' Monk Sr. / McQueen
mvVikingStar.blogspot.com

Seems to me going from 10+ oil changes a year to 1 or 2 would result in the 80% reductions in waste oil and down time. And I guess one observation would be: at an average of 100-200hr/year, recreational boaters would need 25-50 years to accumulate 5000hrs of operation. Something I suspect these commercial craft easily accomplish within a calendar year. Isn't there valid reasons for changing oil yearly, independent of what type of oil one uses? -al- Viking Star 45' Monk Sr. / McQueen mvVikingStar.blogspot.com

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Frank Burrows

Wed, Nov 21, 2012 1:24 PM

The manufacturers of our engines base their oil change recommendations
on the available oils when the engines were made. Fleet operators
typically do routine lube oil analysis and use the results of the
analysis to determine the change intervals. Even the manual for my
ancient Detroits says their recommendations can be modified based on
field oil analysis.

Modern cars monitor your individual use with the onboard computer to
determine when to turn on the "Change Oil" light based on lots of
research. Changes are also recommended to remove particles and chemicals
that are held in suspension in the oil. Analysis checks for this also.

So you shouldn't start using synthetic oil and double or triple your
interval. I order to do this you have to start routine oil analysis first.

Frank Burrows 79 43 Viking Chesapeake Bay

On 11/21/2012 1:07 AM, Al Thomason wrote:

Seems to me going from 10+ oil changes a year to 1 or 2 would result in the
80% reductions in waste oil and down time.

The manufacturers of our engines base their oil change recommendations on the available oils when the engines were made. Fleet operators typically do routine lube oil analysis and use the results of the analysis to determine the change intervals. Even the manual for my ancient Detroits says their recommendations can be modified based on field oil analysis. Modern cars monitor your individual use with the onboard computer to determine when to turn on the "Change Oil" light based on lots of research. Changes are also recommended to remove particles and chemicals that are held in suspension in the oil. Analysis checks for this also. So you shouldn't start using synthetic oil and double or triple your interval. I order to do this you have to start routine oil analysis first. Frank Burrows 79 43 Viking Chesapeake Bay On 11/21/2012 1:07 AM, Al Thomason wrote: > Seems to me going from 10+ oil changes a year to 1 or 2 would result in the > 80% reductions in waste oil and down time. >

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