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Creature Comforts

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bill fiero
Mon, Jan 30, 2006 4:44 PM

Greg --

In response to our posting about our Halcyon Days website, you asked. "Why
a '22 foot C-Dory instead of a '25?  Isn't the 25 footer friendlier in
terms of creature comforts?"

Every boat is a compromise and the key elements are the owner's use and
needs for the boat.  Yes, larger boats usually do have more creature
comforts, and that is a 'need' for many people.  However, our 'need' was
for the best-built, smallest, easily-trailered and launched liveaboard
boat. For us, if we have a comfortable bunk, good stove, nice heater,
easy to use and maintain head, good lights, nice seats for reading, room
in the cockpit to enjoy a sundowner, and a weather-secure cabin -- well,
that's what we 'need' for our creature comforts.  So the larger boats,
more difficult to trailer, launch, maintain, and with less fuel economy
and possibly harder to handle and anchor, were not advantageous.  We have
also done enough cruising to know that a larger boat is not necessarily
safer.  So we found what we 'needed' in our 'pocket cruiser,' and she has
served us well for over 20,000 miles of cruising. Everyone defines their
own 'needs' and there is no 'one size fits all' when it comes to boat
size or type -- Your 25-footer is a dandy, and we're sure, perfect for
you.

  • el and bill on Halcyon

----- Original Message -----
From: "bill fiero" bill_fiero@hotmail.com
To: great-loop@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: GL: Loop Photos

Greg -- In response to our posting about our Halcyon Days website, you asked. "Why a '22 foot C-Dory instead of a '25? Isn't the 25 footer friendlier in terms of creature comforts?" Every boat is a compromise and the key elements are the owner's use and needs for the boat. Yes, larger boats usually do have more creature comforts, and that is a 'need' for many people. However, our 'need' was for the best-built, smallest, easily-trailered and launched liveaboard boat. For us, if we have a comfortable bunk, good stove, nice heater, easy to use and maintain head, good lights, nice seats for reading, room in the cockpit to enjoy a sundowner, and a weather-secure cabin -- well, that's what we 'need' for our creature comforts. So the larger boats, more difficult to trailer, launch, maintain, and with less fuel economy and possibly harder to handle and anchor, were not advantageous. We have also done enough cruising to know that a larger boat is not necessarily safer. So we found what we 'needed' in our 'pocket cruiser,' and she has served us well for over 20,000 miles of cruising. Everyone defines their own 'needs' and there is no 'one size fits all' when it comes to boat size or type -- Your 25-footer is a dandy, and we're sure, perfect for you. - el and bill on Halcyon ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill fiero" <bill_fiero@hotmail.com> To: <great-loop@lists.samurai.com> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 7:14 AM Subject: Re: GL: Loop Photos
GS
Greg Schoenberg
Mon, Jan 30, 2006 5:48 PM

----- Original Message -----
From: "bill fiero" bill_fiero@hotmail.com
To: <>
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 8:44 AM
Subject: GL: Creature Comforts

Greg --

In response to our posting about our Halcyon Days website, you asked. "Why
a '22 foot C-Dory instead of a '25?  Isn't the 25 footer friendlier in
terms of creature comforts?"

Every boat is a compromise and the key elements are the owner's use and
needs for the boat.  Yes, larger boats usually do have more creature
comforts, and that is a 'need' for many people.  However, our 'need' was
for the best-built, smallest, easily-trailered and launched liveaboard
boat. For us, if we have a comfortable bunk, good stove, nice heater,
easy to use and maintain head, good lights, nice seats for reading, room
in the cockpit to enjoy a sundowner, and a weather-secure cabin -- well,
that's what we 'need' for our creature comforts.  So the larger boats,
more difficult to trailer, launch, maintain, and with less fuel economy
and possibly harder to handle and anchor, were not advantageous.  We have
also done enough cruising to know that a larger boat is not necessarily
safer.  So we found what we 'needed' in our 'pocket cruiser,' and she has
served us well for over 20,000 miles of cruising. Everyone defines their
own 'needs' and there is no 'one size fits all' when it comes to boat
size or type -- Your 25-footer is a dandy, and we're sure, perfect for
you.

  • el and bill on Halcyon

----- Original Message -----
From: "bill fiero" bill_fiero@hotmail.com
To: great-loop@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: GL: Loop Photos


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----- Original Message ----- From: "bill fiero" <bill_fiero@hotmail.com> To: <> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 8:44 AM Subject: GL: Creature Comforts > Greg -- > > In response to our posting about our Halcyon Days website, you asked. "Why > a '22 foot C-Dory instead of a '25? Isn't the 25 footer friendlier in > terms of creature comforts?" > > Every boat is a compromise and the key elements are the owner's use and > needs for the boat. Yes, larger boats usually do have more creature > comforts, and that is a 'need' for many people. However, our 'need' was > for the best-built, smallest, easily-trailered and launched liveaboard > boat. For us, if we have a comfortable bunk, good stove, nice heater, > easy to use and maintain head, good lights, nice seats for reading, room > in the cockpit to enjoy a sundowner, and a weather-secure cabin -- well, > that's what we 'need' for our creature comforts. So the larger boats, > more difficult to trailer, launch, maintain, and with less fuel economy > and possibly harder to handle and anchor, were not advantageous. We have > also done enough cruising to know that a larger boat is not necessarily > safer. So we found what we 'needed' in our 'pocket cruiser,' and she has > served us well for over 20,000 miles of cruising. Everyone defines their > own 'needs' and there is no 'one size fits all' when it comes to boat > size or type -- Your 25-footer is a dandy, and we're sure, perfect for > you. > > - el and bill on Halcyon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bill fiero" <bill_fiero@hotmail.com> > To: <great-loop@lists.samurai.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 7:14 AM > Subject: Re: GL: Loop Photos > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop
GS
Greg Schoenberg
Mon, Jan 30, 2006 5:52 PM

----- Original Message -----
From: "bill fiero" bill_fiero@hotmail.com
To: great-loop@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 8:44 AM
Subject: GL: Creature Comforts

Greg --

In response to our posting about our Halcyon Days website, you asked. "Why
a '22 foot C-Dory instead of a '25?  Isn't the 25 footer friendlier in
terms of creature comforts?"

Every boat is a compromise and the key elements are the owner's use and
needs for the boat.  Yes, larger boats usually do have more creature
comforts, and that is a 'need' for many people.  However, our 'need' was
for the best-built, smallest, easily-trailered and launched liveaboard
boat. For us, if we have a comfortable bunk, good stove, nice heater,
easy to use and maintain head, good lights, nice seats for reading, room
in the cockpit to enjoy a sundowner, and a weather-secure cabin -- well,
that's what we 'need' for our creature comforts.  So the larger boats,
more difficult to trailer, launch, maintain, and with less fuel economy
and possibly harder to handle and anchor, were not advantageous.  We have
also done enough cruising to know that a larger boat is not necessarily
safer.  So we found what we 'needed' in our 'pocket cruiser,' and she has
served us well for over 20,000 miles of cruising. Everyone defines their
own 'needs' and there is no 'one size fits all' when it comes to boat
size or type -- Your 25-footer is a dandy, and we're sure, perfect for
you.

Bill,

Sorry about the double post.

I read further into your site and noticed your criteria.  You make excellent
points.  The 25 foot TomCat has a standup head but from reading your
comments, a porta-potty and portable shower does just fine.

As for my 25 footer, it's a monohull with a 6' cabin only in front of the
galley.  After one day, I have a sore back from crouching all the time (I'm
6').  So.....an enclosed cabin, 6'2" tall, with a couple of quiet outboards
sounds very appealing to us.

-Greg

----- Original Message ----- From: "bill fiero" <bill_fiero@hotmail.com> To: <great-loop@lists.samurai.com> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 8:44 AM Subject: GL: Creature Comforts > Greg -- > > In response to our posting about our Halcyon Days website, you asked. "Why > a '22 foot C-Dory instead of a '25? Isn't the 25 footer friendlier in > terms of creature comforts?" > > Every boat is a compromise and the key elements are the owner's use and > needs for the boat. Yes, larger boats usually do have more creature > comforts, and that is a 'need' for many people. However, our 'need' was > for the best-built, smallest, easily-trailered and launched liveaboard > boat. For us, if we have a comfortable bunk, good stove, nice heater, > easy to use and maintain head, good lights, nice seats for reading, room > in the cockpit to enjoy a sundowner, and a weather-secure cabin -- well, > that's what we 'need' for our creature comforts. So the larger boats, > more difficult to trailer, launch, maintain, and with less fuel economy > and possibly harder to handle and anchor, were not advantageous. We have > also done enough cruising to know that a larger boat is not necessarily > safer. So we found what we 'needed' in our 'pocket cruiser,' and she has > served us well for over 20,000 miles of cruising. Everyone defines their > own 'needs' and there is no 'one size fits all' when it comes to boat > size or type -- Your 25-footer is a dandy, and we're sure, perfect for > you. > Bill, Sorry about the double post. I read further into your site and noticed your criteria. You make excellent points. The 25 foot TomCat has a standup head but from reading your comments, a porta-potty and portable shower does just fine. As for my 25 footer, it's a monohull with a 6' cabin only in front of the galley. After one day, I have a sore back from crouching all the time (I'm 6'). So.....an enclosed cabin, 6'2" tall, with a couple of quiet outboards sounds very appealing to us. -Greg