With one of the other websites that started by advertising on this site currently circling the drain, there could be room for another forum. I won't name it here, but from Oct to Dec 2007 there were multiple mentions of it by it's founder. Like maybe his tagline on every post and two posts where the new site was the topic of the post, maybe look at Dec 10 for one of those. Any member here can go to the archives here and search on T&T's site for the month and year, then just scroll down to a name that looks familiar and read the posts. Of course only quality sites will take off and be successful. T&T continues to fill the quality role. IMHO Ken In a message dated 3/26/2012 8:16:00 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, trawlers-request@lists.trawlering.com writes: Subject: Re: T&T: New Website Message-ID: <1332806083.26728.YahooMailNeo@web126006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii One of the real benefits of T&T to me is that I have the best of the best in boat maintenance and experience at my disposal. This really isn't "amateur hour" as an aspiring web master attempts to hone his skills. I boat in the Pacific NW and there's nothing there! I don't want to appear totally harsh on this attempt, but come on guys - - this site needs a lot of work and I am not in the mood to assist this gent to make his site marketable. I don't have the skills and I'm really not interested.