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Wes
Tue, May 12, 2020 5:52 PM

Does anyone know of a ready made board that will allow me to mount and at the
least, minimally support the operation of an MV89A oscillator. I have one which
I've powered up deadbug style and would like to clean up the mess a little.

Thanks

Wes N7WS

Does anyone know of a ready made board that will allow me to mount and at the least, minimally support the operation of an MV89A oscillator. I have one which I've powered up deadbug style and would like to clean up the mess a little. Thanks Wes N7WS
BK
Bob kb8tq
Tue, May 12, 2020 6:38 PM

Hi

In this era of $5 for 10 boards from China, a lot of folks have laid out various
boards. They aren’t “ready made” but they get past the dead bug stuff.

Bob

On May 12, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Wes wes@triconet.org wrote:

Does anyone know of a ready made board that will allow me to mount and at the least, minimally support the operation of an MV89A oscillator. I have one which I've powered up deadbug style and would like to clean up the mess a little.

Thanks

Wes N7WS


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Hi In this era of $5 for 10 boards from China, a lot of folks have laid out various boards. They aren’t “ready made” but they get past the dead bug stuff. Bob > On May 12, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Wes <wes@triconet.org> wrote: > > Does anyone know of a ready made board that will allow me to mount and at the least, minimally support the operation of an MV89A oscillator. I have one which I've powered up deadbug style and would like to clean up the mess a little. > > Thanks > > Wes N7WS > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there.
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Gerhard Hoffmann
Tue, May 12, 2020 6:53 PM

I can send you 2 boards of V2 of my OCXO carrier board.
You owe me a beer if we ever should meet in person. :-)

The board supports MV89A, MV318, MTI-260, HP10811A,
cheapish CVHD-950, BF171-IS-S-12.7, ECOC-2522 ( 100 MHz oven, Digikey)
Minimum is the mechanical mounting.

Everything else is optional:
-output amplifier to +18 dBm, can be a frequency doubler,

  • two crystal or LC notches to catch sub / harmonics
      (10 MHz MV89 is really 5 MHz, and it shows)
  • Squarer for incoming reference frequency and the local osc (Linear
    Tech chip)
  • a $2.50 Xilinx Coolrunner II CPLD that can generate a 1PPS from
    anything below 200 MHz
      the Coolrunner is programmable in situ via JTAG. Do great things with
    64 FlipFlops. :-)
  • 50 Ohm 1 pps driver
  • Also in the CPLD is a Dual-FF phase comparator to compare the oven &
    the the
      incoming reference
    -- rest of the PLL to lock the OCXO to the incoming frequency, loop
    sense is strapping option
    -- alternative trimmer to set oven frequency
    -- locking to incoming 1pps works for some oven types only, still needs
    work.

Ten boards did cost $5 at PCBway, DHL wanted $25 for transport. :-<
I can publish the Altium Designer project or the Gerber files when the
1st ten are used up
and there has been somewhat more testing. The number of possible
combinations
is quite large.

Cheers, Gerhard

Am 12.05.20 um 19:52 schrieb Wes:

Does anyone know of a ready made board that will allow me to mount and
at the least, minimally support the operation of an MV89A oscillator.
I have one which I've powered up deadbug style and would like to clean
up the mess a little.

Thanks

Wes N7WS


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I can send you 2 boards of V2 of my OCXO carrier board. You owe me a beer if we ever should meet in person. :-) The board supports MV89A, MV318, MTI-260, HP10811A, cheapish CVHD-950, BF171-IS-S-12.7, ECOC-2522 ( 100 MHz oven, Digikey) Minimum is the mechanical mounting. Everything else is optional: -output amplifier to +18 dBm, can be a frequency doubler, - two crystal or LC notches to catch sub / harmonics   (10 MHz MV89 is really 5 MHz, and it shows) - Squarer for incoming reference frequency and the local osc (Linear Tech chip) - a $2.50 Xilinx Coolrunner II CPLD that can generate a 1PPS from anything below 200 MHz   the Coolrunner is programmable in situ via JTAG. Do great things with 64 FlipFlops. :-) - 50 Ohm 1 pps driver - Also in the CPLD is a Dual-FF phase comparator to compare the oven & the the   incoming reference -- rest of the PLL to lock the OCXO to the incoming frequency, loop sense is strapping option -- alternative trimmer to set oven frequency -- locking to incoming 1pps works for some oven types only, still needs work. Ten boards did cost $5 at PCBway, DHL wanted $25 for transport. :-< I can publish the Altium Designer project or the Gerber files when the 1st ten are used up and there has been somewhat more testing. The number of possible combinations is quite large. Cheers, Gerhard Am 12.05.20 um 19:52 schrieb Wes: > Does anyone know of a ready made board that will allow me to mount and > at the least, minimally support the operation of an MV89A oscillator. > I have one which I've powered up deadbug style and would like to clean > up the mess a little. > > Thanks > > Wes N7WS > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there.
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DM
Wed, May 13, 2020 12:23 AM

Wes,
Here are a few links that should get you started in the right direction.
[ http://pe9ghz.org/cmsms/index.php?page=gpsd | http://pe9ghz.org/cmsms/index.php?page=gpsd ]
[ https://easyeda.com/vr2wwp/Temp-b69e1159c6e04e98a45d2de8cb413c79 | https://easyeda.com/vr2wwp/Temp-b69e1159c6e04e98a45d2de8cb413c79 ]
http://f1chf.free.fr/fichiers/tcxo/MORION%20MV89%20et%20utilisation%20par%20VE2ZAZ.pdf

Nothing ready-made, but with a little effort, you could make one of them work for you.
Hope they help
Dave M

From: "Wes" wes@triconet.org
To: "Timenuts" time-nuts@lists.febo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 12:52:06 PM
Subject: [time-nuts] OCXO Support Board

Does anyone know of a ready made board that will allow me to mount and at the
least, minimally support the operation of an MV89A oscillator. I have one which
I've powered up deadbug style and would like to clean up the mess a little.

Thanks

Wes N7WS

Wes, Here are a few links that should get you started in the right direction. [ http://pe9ghz.org/cmsms/index.php?page=gpsd | http://pe9ghz.org/cmsms/index.php?page=gpsd ] [ https://easyeda.com/vr2wwp/Temp-b69e1159c6e04e98a45d2de8cb413c79 | https://easyeda.com/vr2wwp/Temp-b69e1159c6e04e98a45d2de8cb413c79 ] http://f1chf.free.fr/fichiers/tcxo/MORION%20MV89%20et%20utilisation%20par%20VE2ZAZ.pdf Nothing ready-made, but with a little effort, you could make one of them work for you. Hope they help Dave M From: "Wes" <wes@triconet.org> To: "Timenuts" <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 12:52:06 PM Subject: [time-nuts] OCXO Support Board Does anyone know of a ready made board that will allow me to mount and at the least, minimally support the operation of an MV89A oscillator. I have one which I've powered up deadbug style and would like to clean up the mess a little. Thanks Wes N7WS
MW
Matthias Welwarsky
Wed, May 13, 2020 6:59 AM

On Dienstag, 12. Mai 2020 20:53:25 CEST Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:

Ten boards did cost $5 at PCBway, DHL wanted $25 for transport. :-<
I can publish the Altium Designer project or the Gerber files when the
1st ten are used up
and there has been somewhat more testing. The number of possible
combinations
is quite large.

If you publish the Gerber files, People in the US can use OSHPark for having
the boards made, in EU Aisler.net is probably the best option.

BR,
Matthias

Cheers, Gerhard

Am 12.05.20 um 19:52 schrieb Wes:

Does anyone know of a ready made board that will allow me to mount and
at the least, minimally support the operation of an MV89A oscillator.
I have one which I've powered up deadbug style and would like to clean
up the mess a little.

Thanks

Wes N7WS


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On Dienstag, 12. Mai 2020 20:53:25 CEST Gerhard Hoffmann wrote: > Ten boards did cost $5 at PCBway, DHL wanted $25 for transport. :-< > I can publish the Altium Designer project or the Gerber files when the > 1st ten are used up > and there has been somewhat more testing. The number of possible > combinations > is quite large. If you publish the Gerber files, People in the US can use OSHPark for having the boards made, in EU Aisler.net is probably the best option. BR, Matthias > > Cheers, Gerhard > > Am 12.05.20 um 19:52 schrieb Wes: > > Does anyone know of a ready made board that will allow me to mount and > > at the least, minimally support the operation of an MV89A oscillator. > > I have one which I've powered up deadbug style and would like to clean > > up the mess a little. > > > > Thanks > > > > Wes N7WS > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to > > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > > and follow the instructions there.
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Bill Notfaded
Wed, May 13, 2020 11:35 AM

I've been trying to find a base PCB design to use too.  In the interim I
bought some boards from Gerry Sweeney that sells them for HP5313x frequency
counter OCXO upgrades and supports different footprints.  Open source
design is even better.  OSHpark is great.  Please post it!

Bill E.

On Tue, May 12, 2020, 11:59 PM Matthias Welwarsky time-nuts@welwarsky.de
wrote:

On Dienstag, 12. Mai 2020 20:53:25 CEST Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:

Ten boards did cost $5 at PCBway, DHL wanted $25 for transport. :-<
I can publish the Altium Designer project or the Gerber files when the
1st ten are used up
and there has been somewhat more testing. The number of possible
combinations
is quite large.

If you publish the Gerber files, People in the US can use OSHPark for
having
the boards made, in EU Aisler.net is probably the best option.

BR,
Matthias

Cheers, Gerhard

Am 12.05.20 um 19:52 schrieb Wes:

Does anyone know of a ready made board that will allow me to mount and
at the least, minimally support the operation of an MV89A oscillator.
I have one which I've powered up deadbug style and would like to clean
up the mess a little.

Thanks

Wes N7WS


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I've been trying to find a base PCB design to use too. In the interim I bought some boards from Gerry Sweeney that sells them for HP5313x frequency counter OCXO upgrades and supports different footprints. Open source design is even better. OSHpark is great. Please post it! Bill E. On Tue, May 12, 2020, 11:59 PM Matthias Welwarsky <time-nuts@welwarsky.de> wrote: > On Dienstag, 12. Mai 2020 20:53:25 CEST Gerhard Hoffmann wrote: > > > Ten boards did cost $5 at PCBway, DHL wanted $25 for transport. :-< > > I can publish the Altium Designer project or the Gerber files when the > > 1st ten are used up > > and there has been somewhat more testing. The number of possible > > combinations > > is quite large. > > If you publish the Gerber files, People in the US can use OSHPark for > having > the boards made, in EU Aisler.net is probably the best option. > > BR, > Matthias > > > > > Cheers, Gerhard > > > > Am 12.05.20 um 19:52 schrieb Wes: > > > Does anyone know of a ready made board that will allow me to mount and > > > at the least, minimally support the operation of an MV89A oscillator. > > > I have one which I've powered up deadbug style and would like to clean > > > up the mess a little. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Wes N7WS > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > > > To unsubscribe, go to > > > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there. >
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ew
Wed, May 13, 2020 12:34 PM

A year ago I posted the two boards with Gerber File since no one was willing to make and sell. If there is still interest I will post Gerber file again have to look for it
Bert Kehren

In a message dated 5/13/2020 7:40:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, notfaded1@gmail.com writes:

I've been trying to find a base PCB design to use too.  In the interim I
bought some boards from Gerry Sweeney that sells them for HP5313x frequency
counter OCXO upgrades and supports different footprints.  Open source
design is even better.  OSHpark is great.  Please post it!

Bill E.

On Tue, May 12, 2020, 11:59 PM Matthias Welwarsky time-nuts@welwarsky.de
wrote:

On Dienstag, 12. Mai 2020 20:53:25 CEST Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:

Ten boards did cost $5 at PCBway, DHL wanted $25 for transport. :-<
I can publish the Altium Designer project or the Gerber files when the
1st ten are used up
and there has been somewhat more testing. The number of possible
combinations
is quite large.

If you publish the Gerber files, People in the US can use OSHPark for
having
the boards made, in EU Aisler.net is probably the best option.

BR,
Matthias

Cheers, Gerhard

Am 12.05.20 um 19:52 schrieb Wes:

Does anyone know of a ready made board that will allow me to mount and
at the least, minimally support the operation of an MV89A oscillator.
I have one which I've powered up deadbug style and would like to clean
up the mess a little.

Thanks

Wes N7WS


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A year ago I posted the two boards with Gerber File since no one was willing to make and sell. If there is still interest I will post Gerber file again have to look for it Bert Kehren In a message dated 5/13/2020 7:40:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, notfaded1@gmail.com writes: I've been trying to find a base PCB design to use too.  In the interim I bought some boards from Gerry Sweeney that sells them for HP5313x frequency counter OCXO upgrades and supports different footprints.  Open source design is even better.  OSHpark is great.  Please post it! Bill E. On Tue, May 12, 2020, 11:59 PM Matthias Welwarsky <time-nuts@welwarsky.de> wrote: > On Dienstag, 12. Mai 2020 20:53:25 CEST Gerhard Hoffmann wrote: > > > Ten boards did cost $5 at PCBway, DHL wanted $25 for transport. :-< > > I can publish the Altium Designer project or the Gerber files when the > > 1st ten are used up > > and there has been somewhat more testing. The number of possible > > combinations > > is quite large. > > If you publish the Gerber files, People in the US can use OSHPark for > having > the boards made, in EU Aisler.net is probably the best option. > > BR, > Matthias > > > > > Cheers, Gerhard > > > > Am 12.05.20 um 19:52 schrieb Wes: > > > Does anyone know of a ready made board that will allow me to mount and > > > at the least, minimally support the operation of an MV89A oscillator. > > > I have one which I've powered up deadbug style and would like to clean > > > up the mess a little. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Wes N7WS > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > > > To unsubscribe, go to > > > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there. > _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com and follow the instructions there.
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Bob kb8tq
Wed, May 13, 2020 12:56 PM

Hi

There are a number of free ( = there is no license fee ) pcb layout programs out there.
One of the many is KiCad. It’s not that hard to use. It is very popular. There are a lot
of YouTube videos and blogs detailing how to do this or that with it. Laying out a board
to mount an OCXO on is a pretty good starter project.

Once you get going, a board is a weekend project. Indeed, a simple board might be an
evening project. There’s not a lot involved.

Once you have your layout, it goes off to any of a number of outfits. Seeed Studio is
one that many people use. WellPCB is another that comes with a lot of recommendations.
As long as you stick with < 100 mm x < 100 mm parts a number of places will sell you
boards for 50 cents each.

Shipping does cost $20 to $30, so doing more than one board at a time is a pretty good
idea. If you are laying out five boards a week, batching them up isn’t the hard part :)

While most don’t seem to use it, many board houses also offer assembly / pick and place
services. On a board that uses simple parts, that might take out the whole assembly
process. No idea (yet) how well that part goes ….

Bob

On May 13, 2020, at 7:35 AM, Bill Notfaded notfaded1@gmail.com wrote:

I've been trying to find a base PCB design to use too.  In the interim I
bought some boards from Gerry Sweeney that sells them for HP5313x frequency
counter OCXO upgrades and supports different footprints.  Open source
design is even better.  OSHpark is great.  Please post it!

Bill E.

On Tue, May 12, 2020, 11:59 PM Matthias Welwarsky time-nuts@welwarsky.de
wrote:

On Dienstag, 12. Mai 2020 20:53:25 CEST Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:

Ten boards did cost $5 at PCBway, DHL wanted $25 for transport. :-<
I can publish the Altium Designer project or the Gerber files when the
1st ten are used up
and there has been somewhat more testing. The number of possible
combinations
is quite large.

If you publish the Gerber files, People in the US can use OSHPark for
having
the boards made, in EU Aisler.net is probably the best option.

BR,
Matthias

Cheers, Gerhard

Am 12.05.20 um 19:52 schrieb Wes:

Does anyone know of a ready made board that will allow me to mount and
at the least, minimally support the operation of an MV89A oscillator.
I have one which I've powered up deadbug style and would like to clean
up the mess a little.

Thanks

Wes N7WS


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Hi There are a number of free ( = there is no license fee ) pcb layout programs out there. One of the many is KiCad. It’s not that hard to use. It is very popular. There are a lot of YouTube videos and blogs detailing how to do this or that with it. Laying out a board to mount an OCXO on is a pretty good starter project. Once you get going, a board is a weekend project. Indeed, a simple board might be an evening project. There’s not a lot involved. Once you have your layout, it goes off to any of a number of outfits. Seeed Studio is one that many people use. WellPCB is another that comes with a lot of recommendations. As long as you stick with < 100 mm x < 100 mm parts a number of places will sell you boards for 50 cents each. Shipping does cost $20 to $30, so doing more than one board at a time is a pretty good idea. If you are laying out five boards a week, batching them up isn’t the hard part :) While most don’t seem to use it, many board houses also offer assembly / pick and place services. On a board that uses simple parts, that might take out the whole assembly process. No idea (yet) how well that part goes …. Bob > On May 13, 2020, at 7:35 AM, Bill Notfaded <notfaded1@gmail.com> wrote: > > I've been trying to find a base PCB design to use too. In the interim I > bought some boards from Gerry Sweeney that sells them for HP5313x frequency > counter OCXO upgrades and supports different footprints. Open source > design is even better. OSHpark is great. Please post it! > > Bill E. > > > On Tue, May 12, 2020, 11:59 PM Matthias Welwarsky <time-nuts@welwarsky.de> > wrote: > >> On Dienstag, 12. Mai 2020 20:53:25 CEST Gerhard Hoffmann wrote: >> >>> Ten boards did cost $5 at PCBway, DHL wanted $25 for transport. :-< >>> I can publish the Altium Designer project or the Gerber files when the >>> 1st ten are used up >>> and there has been somewhat more testing. The number of possible >>> combinations >>> is quite large. >> >> If you publish the Gerber files, People in the US can use OSHPark for >> having >> the boards made, in EU Aisler.net is probably the best option. >> >> BR, >> Matthias >> >>> >>> Cheers, Gerhard >>> >>> Am 12.05.20 um 19:52 schrieb Wes: >>>> Does anyone know of a ready made board that will allow me to mount and >>>> at the least, minimally support the operation of an MV89A oscillator. >>>> I have one which I've powered up deadbug style and would like to clean >>>> up the mess a little. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Wes N7WS >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com >>>> To unsubscribe, go to >>>> http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com >>>> and follow the instructions there. >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com >> and follow the instructions there. >> > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there.
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Tom Van Baak
Wed, May 13, 2020 1:09 PM

Bert,

I found them. You posted the Gerber files as file OCXO.pcb-1.zip on
5-Nov-2018 here:

http://lists.febo.com/pipermail/time-nuts_lists.febo.com/2018-November/094597.html

http://lists.febo.com/pipermail/time-nuts_lists.febo.com/2018-November/094598.html

/tvb

On 5/13/2020 5:34 AM, ew via time-nuts wrote:

A year ago I posted the two boards with Gerber File since no one was willing to make and sell. If there is still interest I will post Gerber file again have to look for it
Bert Kehren

In a message dated 5/13/2020 7:40:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, notfaded1@gmail.com writes:

I've been trying to find a base PCB design to use too.  In the interim I
bought some boards from Gerry Sweeney that sells them for HP5313x frequency
counter OCXO upgrades and supports different footprints.  Open source
design is even better.  OSHpark is great.  Please post it!

Bill E.

On Tue, May 12, 2020, 11:59 PM Matthias Welwarsky time-nuts@welwarsky.de
wrote:

On Dienstag, 12. Mai 2020 20:53:25 CEST Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:

Ten boards did cost $5 at PCBway, DHL wanted $25 for transport. :-<
I can publish the Altium Designer project or the Gerber files when the
1st ten are used up
and there has been somewhat more testing. The number of possible
combinations
is quite large.

If you publish the Gerber files, People in the US can use OSHPark for
having
the boards made, in EU Aisler.net is probably the best option.

BR,
Matthias

Cheers, Gerhard

Am 12.05.20 um 19:52 schrieb Wes:

Does anyone know of a ready made board that will allow me to mount and
at the least, minimally support the operation of an MV89A oscillator.
I have one which I've powered up deadbug style and would like to clean
up the mess a little.

Thanks

Wes N7WS


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Bert, I found them. You posted the Gerber files as file OCXO.pcb-1.zip on 5-Nov-2018 here: http://lists.febo.com/pipermail/time-nuts_lists.febo.com/2018-November/094597.html http://lists.febo.com/pipermail/time-nuts_lists.febo.com/2018-November/094598.html /tvb On 5/13/2020 5:34 AM, ew via time-nuts wrote: > A year ago I posted the two boards with Gerber File since no one was willing to make and sell. If there is still interest I will post Gerber file again have to look for it > Bert Kehren > > > In a message dated 5/13/2020 7:40:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, notfaded1@gmail.com writes: > > I've been trying to find a base PCB design to use too.  In the interim I > bought some boards from Gerry Sweeney that sells them for HP5313x frequency > counter OCXO upgrades and supports different footprints.  Open source > design is even better.  OSHpark is great.  Please post it! > > Bill E. > > > On Tue, May 12, 2020, 11:59 PM Matthias Welwarsky <time-nuts@welwarsky.de> > wrote: > >> On Dienstag, 12. Mai 2020 20:53:25 CEST Gerhard Hoffmann wrote: >> >>> Ten boards did cost $5 at PCBway, DHL wanted $25 for transport. :-< >>> I can publish the Altium Designer project or the Gerber files when the >>> 1st ten are used up >>> and there has been somewhat more testing. The number of possible >>> combinations >>> is quite large. >> If you publish the Gerber files, People in the US can use OSHPark for >> having >> the boards made, in EU Aisler.net is probably the best option. >> >> BR, >> Matthias >> >>> Cheers, Gerhard >>> >>> Am 12.05.20 um 19:52 schrieb Wes: >>>> Does anyone know of a ready made board that will allow me to mount and >>>> at the least, minimally support the operation of an MV89A oscillator. >>>> I have one which I've powered up deadbug style and would like to clean >>>> up the mess a little. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Wes N7WS >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com >>>> To unsubscribe, go to >>>> http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com >>>> and follow the instructions there. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com >> and follow the instructions there. >> > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there.
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jimlux
Wed, May 13, 2020 1:17 PM

On 5/13/20 5:56 AM, Bob kb8tq wrote:

Hi

There are a number of free ( = there is no license fee ) pcb layout programs out there.
One of the many is KiCad. It’s not that hard to use. It is very popular. There are a lot
of YouTube videos and blogs detailing how to do this or that with it. Laying out a board
to mount an OCXO on is a pretty good starter project.

Once you get going, a board is a weekend project. Indeed, a simple board might be an
evening project. There’s not a lot involved.

Once you have your layout, it goes off to any of a number of outfits. Seeed Studio is
one that many people use. WellPCB is another that comes with a lot of recommendations.
As long as you stick with < 100 mm x < 100 mm parts a number of places will sell you
boards for 50 cents each.

Shipping does cost $20 to $30, so doing more than one board at a time is a pretty good
idea. If you are laying out five boards a week, batching them up isn’t the hard part :)

While most don’t seem to use it, many board houses also offer assembly / pick and place
services. On a board that uses simple parts, that might take out the whole assembly
process. No idea (yet) how well that part goes ….

I've used several assembly services (in Oregon, as it happens) for small
boards at work (<100mm square, although that's not a requirement for the
service) and had relatively good luck. One of the nice things is that
some services will actually order and kit the parts for you - you send
them a board design, with a parts list from digikey, and a couple weeks
later, you get your boards back.

It's not super cheap, but it sure is convenient.

On 5/13/20 5:56 AM, Bob kb8tq wrote: > Hi > > There are a number of free ( = there is no license fee ) pcb layout programs out there. > One of the many is KiCad. It’s not that hard to use. It is very popular. There are a lot > of YouTube videos and blogs detailing how to do this or that with it. Laying out a board > to mount an OCXO on is a pretty good starter project. > > Once you get going, a board is a weekend project. Indeed, a simple board might be an > evening project. There’s not a lot involved. > > Once you have your layout, it goes off to any of a number of outfits. Seeed Studio is > one that many people use. WellPCB is another that comes with a lot of recommendations. > As long as you stick with < 100 mm x < 100 mm parts a number of places will sell you > boards for 50 cents each. > > Shipping does cost $20 to $30, so doing more than one board at a time is a pretty good > idea. If you are laying out five boards a week, batching them up isn’t the hard part :) > > While most don’t seem to use it, many board houses also offer assembly / pick and place > services. On a board that uses simple parts, that might take out the whole assembly > process. No idea (yet) how well that part goes …. > I've used several assembly services (in Oregon, as it happens) for small boards at work (<100mm square, although that's not a requirement for the service) and had relatively good luck. One of the nice things is that some services will actually order and kit the parts for you - you send them a board design, with a parts list from digikey, and a couple weeks later, you get your boards back. It's not super cheap, but it sure is convenient.
BK
Bob kb8tq
Wed, May 13, 2020 1:31 PM

Hi

Some of the Chinese outfits flip that model around the other way.
You get to use the parts they have in stock. Setup appears to be
dirt cheap, as well as the basic parts costs.

One of many examples:

https://jlcpcb.com https://jlcpcb.com/

I haven’t used them for assembly, but the do make ok boards.

Since the parts range is limited, you will be putting a few things on
yourself. I’d guess that 90% of the parts on a typical board will be
things they can supply. Is there another gotcha? Not at all clear (yet).

The outfit above has two categories of parts (basic and extended). It
appears that when you go into the extended group, there may be some
minimum order gotchas ….

Bob

On May 13, 2020, at 9:17 AM, jimlux jimlux@earthlink.net wrote:

On 5/13/20 5:56 AM, Bob kb8tq wrote:

Hi
There are a number of free ( = there is no license fee ) pcb layout programs out there.
One of the many is KiCad. It’s not that hard to use. It is very popular. There are a lot
of YouTube videos and blogs detailing how to do this or that with it. Laying out a board
to mount an OCXO on is a pretty good starter project.
Once you get going, a board is a weekend project. Indeed, a simple board might be an
evening project. There’s not a lot involved.
Once you have your layout, it goes off to any of a number of outfits. Seeed Studio is
one that many people use. WellPCB is another that comes with a lot of recommendations.
As long as you stick with < 100 mm x < 100 mm parts a number of places will sell you
boards for 50 cents each.
Shipping does cost $20 to $30, so doing more than one board at a time is a pretty good
idea. If you are laying out five boards a week, batching them up isn’t the hard part :)
While most don’t seem to use it, many board houses also offer assembly / pick and place
services. On a board that uses simple parts, that might take out the whole assembly
process. No idea (yet) how well that part goes ….

I've used several assembly services (in Oregon, as it happens) for small boards at work (<100mm square, although that's not a requirement for the service) and had relatively good luck. One of the nice things is that some services will actually order and kit the parts for you - you send them a board design, with a parts list from digikey, and a couple weeks later, you get your boards back.

It's not super cheap, but it sure is convenient.


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Hi Some of the Chinese outfits flip that model around the other way. You get to use the parts they have in stock. Setup *appears* to be dirt cheap, as well as the basic parts costs. One of many examples: https://jlcpcb.com <https://jlcpcb.com/> I haven’t used them for assembly, but the do make ok boards. Since the parts range is limited, you will be putting a few things on yourself. I’d guess that 90% of the parts on a typical board will be things they can supply. Is there another gotcha? Not at all clear (yet). The outfit above has two categories of parts (basic and extended). It appears that when you go into the extended group, there may be some minimum order gotchas …. Bob > On May 13, 2020, at 9:17 AM, jimlux <jimlux@earthlink.net> wrote: > > On 5/13/20 5:56 AM, Bob kb8tq wrote: >> Hi >> There are a number of free ( = there is no license fee ) pcb layout programs out there. >> One of the many is KiCad. It’s not that hard to use. It is very popular. There are a lot >> of YouTube videos and blogs detailing how to do this or that with it. Laying out a board >> to mount an OCXO on is a pretty good starter project. >> Once you get going, a board is a weekend project. Indeed, a simple board might be an >> evening project. There’s not a lot involved. >> Once you have your layout, it goes off to any of a number of outfits. Seeed Studio is >> one that many people use. WellPCB is another that comes with a lot of recommendations. >> As long as you stick with < 100 mm x < 100 mm parts a number of places will sell you >> boards for 50 cents each. >> Shipping does cost $20 to $30, so doing more than one board at a time is a pretty good >> idea. If you are laying out five boards a week, batching them up isn’t the hard part :) >> While most don’t seem to use it, many board houses also offer assembly / pick and place >> services. On a board that uses simple parts, that might take out the whole assembly >> process. No idea (yet) how well that part goes …. > > > I've used several assembly services (in Oregon, as it happens) for small boards at work (<100mm square, although that's not a requirement for the service) and had relatively good luck. One of the nice things is that some services will actually order and kit the parts for you - you send them a board design, with a parts list from digikey, and a couple weeks later, you get your boards back. > > It's not super cheap, but it sure is convenient. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there.
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Gerhard Hoffmann
Wed, May 13, 2020 2:05 PM

Am 13.05.20 um 13:35 schrieb Bill Notfaded:

I've been trying to find a base PCB design to use too.  In the interim I
bought some boards from Gerry Sweeney that sells them for HP5313x frequency
counter OCXO upgrades and supports different footprints.  Open source
design is even better.  OSHpark is great.  Please post it!

Here it is:

< http://www.hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de/downloads/ocxo_carrierV2_pack.zip    >

These are the Gerber files as used by PCBway to produce my boards.

2 buglets:

  • the 2 mounting screws for the 10811 should be slightly bigger.

  Drill as needed

  • Unless the oscillator delivers only a small signal, the 2 emitter
    capacitors should

  each get 22 Ohms in series to adjust gain.

This will be addressed in V3. Circuits are included, comments and small
change

requests are welcome, could be done shortly thanks COV19.

cheers, Gerhard

Bill E.

On Tue, May 12, 2020, 11:59 PM Matthias Welwarsky time-nuts@welwarsky.de
wrote:

On Dienstag, 12. Mai 2020 20:53:25 CEST Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:

Ten boards did cost $5 at PCBway, DHL wanted $25 for transport. :-<
I can publish the Altium Designer project or the Gerber files when the
1st ten are used up
and there has been somewhat more testing. The number of possible
combinations
is quite large.

If you publish the Gerber files, People in the US can use OSHPark for
having
the boards made, in EU Aisler.net is probably the best option.

BR,
Matthias

Cheers, Gerhard

Am 12.05.20 um 19:52 schrieb Wes:

Does anyone know of a ready made board that will allow me to mount and
at the least, minimally support the operation of an MV89A oscillator.
I have one which I've powered up deadbug style and would like to clean
up the mess a little.

Thanks

Wes N7WS


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Am 13.05.20 um 13:35 schrieb Bill Notfaded: > I've been trying to find a base PCB design to use too. In the interim I > bought some boards from Gerry Sweeney that sells them for HP5313x frequency > counter OCXO upgrades and supports different footprints. Open source > design is even better. OSHpark is great. Please post it! Here it is: < http://www.hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de/downloads/ocxo_carrierV2_pack.zip    > These are the Gerber files as used by PCBway to produce my boards. 2 buglets: - the 2 mounting screws for the 10811 should be slightly bigger.   Drill as needed - Unless the oscillator delivers only a small signal, the 2 emitter capacitors should   each get 22 Ohms in series to adjust gain. This will be addressed in V3. Circuits are included, comments and small change requests are welcome, could be done shortly thanks COV19. cheers, Gerhard > Bill E. > > > On Tue, May 12, 2020, 11:59 PM Matthias Welwarsky <time-nuts@welwarsky.de> > wrote: > >> On Dienstag, 12. Mai 2020 20:53:25 CEST Gerhard Hoffmann wrote: >> >>> Ten boards did cost $5 at PCBway, DHL wanted $25 for transport. :-< >>> I can publish the Altium Designer project or the Gerber files when the >>> 1st ten are used up >>> and there has been somewhat more testing. The number of possible >>> combinations >>> is quite large. >> If you publish the Gerber files, People in the US can use OSHPark for >> having >> the boards made, in EU Aisler.net is probably the best option. >> >> BR, >> Matthias >> >>> Cheers, Gerhard >>> >>> Am 12.05.20 um 19:52 schrieb Wes: >>>> Does anyone know of a ready made board that will allow me to mount and >>>> at the least, minimally support the operation of an MV89A oscillator. >>>> I have one which I've powered up deadbug style and would like to clean >>>> up the mess a little. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Wes N7WS >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com >>>> To unsubscribe, go to >>>> http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com >>>> and follow the instructions there. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com >> and follow the instructions there. >> > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there.
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Wes
Wed, May 13, 2020 2:38 PM

Thank you to all who have written, on and off list, with offers of boards and
advice on how to make my own.  Much appreciated.

I think I'm on to one that meets my fairly simple needs and uses through-hole
components.  I have done SMT construction in the past but things have shrunk in
size by an order of magnitude since then it seems.  (I can remember laying out
boards by hand, taping up the artwork 4:1, reducing it photographically,
exposing and etching boards.  So today's technology is magical.)

Many of you are doing some awesome work.  Well done.

Wes  N7WS

Thank you to all who have written, on and off list, with offers of boards and advice on how to make my own.  Much appreciated. I think I'm on to one that meets my fairly simple needs and uses through-hole components.  I have done SMT construction in the past but things have shrunk in size by an order of magnitude since then it seems.  (I can remember laying out boards by hand, taping up the artwork 4:1, reducing it photographically, exposing and etching boards.  So today's technology is magical.) Many of you are doing some awesome work.  Well done. Wes  N7WS
E
ew
Wed, May 13, 2020 4:12 PM

You give away your age, was there did a lot of it and off to the repro shop and than the board manufacturer. All local in Houston.
Bert Kehren
In a message dated 5/13/2020 10:39:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, wes@triconet.org writes:

Thank you to all who have written, on and off list, with offers of boards and
advice on how to make my own.  Much appreciated.

I think I'm on to one that meets my fairly simple needs and uses through-hole
components.  I have done SMT construction in the past but things have shrunk in
size by an order of magnitude since then it seems.  (I can remember laying out
boards by hand, taping up the artwork 4:1, reducing it photographically,
exposing and etching boards.  So today's technology is magical.)

Many of you are doing some awesome work.  Well done.

Wes  N7WS


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You give away your age, was there did a lot of it and off to the repro shop and than the board manufacturer. All local in Houston. Bert Kehren In a message dated 5/13/2020 10:39:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, wes@triconet.org writes: Thank you to all who have written, on and off list, with offers of boards and advice on how to make my own.  Much appreciated. I think I'm on to one that meets my fairly simple needs and uses through-hole components.  I have done SMT construction in the past but things have shrunk in size by an order of magnitude since then it seems.  (I can remember laying out boards by hand, taping up the artwork 4:1, reducing it photographically, exposing and etching boards.  So today's technology is magical.) Many of you are doing some awesome work.  Well done. Wes  N7WS _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com and follow the instructions there.
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Wes
Wed, May 13, 2020 9:33 PM

AC0XU (Jim)

I responded to your email address and it bounced.  I would be happy to get a
board from you.

Let me know how to proceed.

Thanks, Wes

AC0XU (Jim) I responded to your email address and it bounced.  I would be happy to get a board from you. Let me know how to proceed. Thanks, Wes
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Wes
Wed, May 13, 2020 9:41 PM

I can remember "wiring" up some X-band test equipment with WR90 waveguide,
flanges and a brazing torch. We "miniaturized" the missile hardware by using 1/4
height W/G. Circa 1966.

Wes

On 5/13/2020 9:12 AM, ew via time-nuts wrote:

You give away your age, was there did a lot of it and off to the repro shop and than the board manufacturer. All local in Houston.
Bert Kehren

I can remember "wiring" up some X-band test equipment with WR90 waveguide, flanges and a brazing torch. We "miniaturized" the missile hardware by using 1/4 height W/G. Circa 1966. Wes On 5/13/2020 9:12 AM, ew via time-nuts wrote: > You give away your age, was there did a lot of it and off to the repro shop and than the board manufacturer. All local in Houston. > Bert Kehren >