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Re: [time-nuts] HP 106B quartz frequency standard...the story

DL
Don Latham
Tue, Aug 11, 2009 4:07 AM

wow. Same thing is happening to ebay. shipping is simply killing a lot of
small stuff I like...
Don

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Palfreyman" jim77742@gmail.com
To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement"
time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP 106B quartz frequency standard...the story

Yep this is where I found it too. Looks like an excellent shop. US$22
postage is steep too.

Jim

2009/8/11 Don Latham djl@montana.com:

Also, the following:
http://www.sphere.bc.ca/test/
is one of the best spare parts sites for test equipment that I know of.
they're good folks.
Don

Jim Palfreyman

Hi all,

The transistor in my unit (not a 4B model!) is 1854-0015. Lots of those.

If someone can confirm this is identical to 1854-0003 I'll use it.
Otherwise I may have to take up one of the very kind offers!

On the 2N1701 - it has to be in a T08 package. This transistor sits in
a special heat sink that is bolted to the oven wall. So unfortunately
I can't substitute.

Regards,

Jim

2009/8/11 ron hunt resolver99@hotmail.com:

Hi!I Have The Exact 1854-0003 HP Part.If You Still Need It I Will Be
Happy To Send It No Charge.I May Need Some Help Some Day.Let Me Know
Your Shipping Address.

Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 19:15:33 -0600
From: djl@montana.com
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP 106B quartz frequency standard...the story

carefully crack open the old to8 can to expose the leads internally,
strip
out the old transistor and cobble the to220 on top with appropriate
leads.
The to220 should fit under one of the old mounting screws? one
direction
will give the base and emitter connections properly.
Don
Jim Palfreyman

Thanks for that! - I do have a number of the 5254L units and one of
them is now being eyed off for organ donation. So thanks to all

offers

for the 1854-0003.

The 2N1701 in a T08 is my next quest...

2009/8/10 Dave M masondg44@comcast.net:

Hi all,

Latest update.

With some help and phone calls from Bill the fault seems to have

been

isolated. I have removed Q11 from inside the oven and it is
cactus.

Q9

is also very suspect so I'm going to replace that for good
measure.

Q9 is a 2N1701 in a T08 package. Thanks to various people I should

be

able to track one down. Q11 is marked as 1854-0003 and that's an
HP
internal number and all I know. Might have to substitute that one.

After all this I have some quality photos and can knock up some

good

descriptions of the repairs and the 106B internals if anyone is
interested. Any websites hanging around that want to take what I

have?

Regards and thanks to all!

Jim Palfreyman

Jim, the 1854-0003 is a pretty common HP part in older eqpt. If you
have
junked 5245L counter handy, it's full of them, especially in the

decade

counter PCBs. If you don't have one handy, I have an assembly here

with

8
of them on it. If you like, I can send it right away (if you're

outside

the
USA, you pay postage).

Dave M
masondg44 at comcast dot net

I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman, "Where's the
self-help section?" She said if she told me, it would defeat the
purpose.


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wow. Same thing is happening to ebay. shipping is simply killing a lot of small stuff I like... Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Palfreyman" <jim77742@gmail.com> To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" <time-nuts@febo.com> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP 106B quartz frequency standard...the story > Yep this is where I found it too. Looks like an excellent shop. US$22 > postage is steep too. > > Jim > > > 2009/8/11 Don Latham <djl@montana.com>: >> Also, the following: >> http://www.sphere.bc.ca/test/ >> is one of the best spare parts sites for test equipment that I know of. >> they're good folks. >> Don >> >> Jim Palfreyman >>> Hi all, >>> >>> The transistor in my unit (not a 4B model!) is 1854-0015. Lots of those. >>> >>> If someone can confirm this is identical to 1854-0003 I'll use it. >>> Otherwise I may have to take up one of the very kind offers! >>> >>> On the 2N1701 - it has to be in a T08 package. This transistor sits in >>> a special heat sink that is bolted to the oven wall. So unfortunately >>> I can't substitute. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> >>> 2009/8/11 ron hunt <resolver99@hotmail.com>: >>>> >>>> Hi!I Have The Exact 1854-0003 HP Part.If You Still Need It I Will Be >>>> Happy To Send It No Charge.I May Need Some Help Some Day.Let Me Know >>>> Your Shipping Address. >>>> >>>>> Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 19:15:33 -0600 >>>>> From: djl@montana.com >>>>> To: time-nuts@febo.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP 106B quartz frequency standard...the story >>>>> >>>>> carefully crack open the old to8 can to expose the leads internally, >>>>> strip >>>>> out the old transistor and cobble the to220 on top with appropriate >>>>> leads. >>>>> The to220 should fit under one of the old mounting screws? one >>>>> direction >>>>> will give the base and emitter connections properly. >>>>> Don >>>>> Jim Palfreyman >>>>> > Thanks for that! - I do have a number of the 5254L units and one of >>>>> > them is now being eyed off for organ donation. So thanks to all >>>>> offers >>>>> > for the 1854-0003. >>>>> > >>>>> > The 2N1701 in a T08 is my next quest... >>>>> > >>>>> > 2009/8/10 Dave M <masondg44@comcast.net>: >>>>> >>> Hi all, >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Latest update. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> With some help and phone calls from Bill the fault seems to have >>>>> been >>>>> >>> isolated. I have removed Q11 from inside the oven and it is >>>>> >>> cactus. >>>>> Q9 >>>>> >>> is also very suspect so I'm going to replace that for good >>>>> >>> measure. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Q9 is a 2N1701 in a T08 package. Thanks to various people I should >>>>> be >>>>> >>> able to track one down. Q11 is marked as 1854-0003 and that's an >>>>> >>> HP >>>>> >>> internal number and all I know. Might have to substitute that one. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> After all this I have some quality photos and can knock up some >>>>> good >>>>> >>> descriptions of the repairs and the 106B internals if anyone is >>>>> >>> interested. Any websites hanging around that want to take what I >>>>> have? >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Regards and thanks to all! >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Jim Palfreyman >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Jim, the 1854-0003 is a pretty common HP part in older eqpt. If you >>>>> >> have >>>>> >> junked 5245L counter handy, it's full of them, especially in the >>>>> decade >>>>> >> counter PCBs. If you don't have one handy, I have an assembly here >>>>> with >>>>> >> 8 >>>>> >> of them on it. If you like, I can send it right away (if you're >>>>> outside >>>>> >> the >>>>> >> USA, you pay postage). >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Dave M >>>>> >> masondg44 at comcast dot net >>>>> >> >>>>> >> I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman, "Where's the >>>>> >> self-help section?" She said if she told me, it would defeat the >>>>> >> purpose. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>>>> >> To unsubscribe, go to >>>>> >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>>>> >> and follow the instructions there. >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>>>> > To unsubscribe, go to >>>>> > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>>>> > and follow the instructions there. >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL >>>>> Six Mile Systems LLP >>>>> 17850 Six Mile Road >>>>> POB 134 >>>>> Huson, MT, 59846 >>>>> VOX 406-626-4304 >>>>> www.lightningforensics.com >>>>> www.sixmilesystems.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>>>> To unsubscribe, go to >>>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>>>> and follow the instructions there. >>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Get free photo software from Windows Live >>>> http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_PH_software:082009 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>>> To unsubscribe, go to >>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>>> and follow the instructions there. >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>> To unsubscribe, go to >>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>> and follow the instructions there. >>> >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL >> Six Mile Systems LLP >> 17850 Six Mile Road >> POB 134 >> Huson, MT, 59846 >> VOX 406-626-4304 >> www.lightningforensics.com >> www.sixmilesystems.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.
JP
Jim Palfreyman
Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:53 AM

Got my 2N1701 in a T08!

Ebay won the day. Two for $20 plus $5 postage. Much more reasonable!

Regards,

Jim

2009/8/11 Don Latham djl@montana.com:

wow. Same thing is happening to ebay. shipping is simply killing a lot of
small stuff I like...
Don

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Palfreyman" jim77742@gmail.com
To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement"
time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP 106B quartz frequency standard...the story

Yep this is where I found it too. Looks like an excellent shop. US$22
postage is steep too.

Jim

2009/8/11 Don Latham djl@montana.com:

Also, the following:
http://www.sphere.bc.ca/test/
is one of the best spare parts sites for test equipment that I know of.
they're good folks.
Don

Jim Palfreyman

Hi all,

The transistor in my unit (not a 4B model!) is 1854-0015. Lots of those.

If someone can confirm this is identical to 1854-0003 I'll use it.
Otherwise I may have to take up one of the very kind offers!

On the 2N1701 - it has to be in a T08 package. This transistor sits in
a special heat sink that is bolted to the oven wall. So unfortunately
I can't substitute.

Regards,

Jim

2009/8/11 ron hunt resolver99@hotmail.com:

Hi!I Have The Exact 1854-0003 HP Part.If You Still Need It I Will Be
Happy To Send It No Charge.I May Need Some Help Some Day.Let Me Know
Your Shipping Address.

Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 19:15:33 -0600
From: djl@montana.com
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP 106B quartz frequency standard...the story

carefully crack open the old to8 can to expose the leads internally,
strip
out the old transistor and cobble the to220 on top with appropriate
leads.
The to220 should fit under one of the old mounting screws? one
direction
will give the base and emitter connections properly.
Don
Jim Palfreyman

Thanks for that! - I do have a number of the 5254L units and one of
them is now being eyed off for organ donation. So thanks to all

offers

for the 1854-0003.

The 2N1701 in a T08 is my next quest...

2009/8/10 Dave M masondg44@comcast.net:

Hi all,

Latest update.

With some help and phone calls from Bill the fault seems to have

been

isolated. I have removed Q11 from inside the oven and it is >>>
cactus.

Q9

is also very suspect so I'm going to replace that for good >>>
measure.

Q9 is a 2N1701 in a T08 package. Thanks to various people I should

be

able to track one down. Q11 is marked as 1854-0003 and that's an

HP

internal number and all I know. Might have to substitute that one.

After all this I have some quality photos and can knock up some

good

descriptions of the repairs and the 106B internals if anyone is
interested. Any websites hanging around that want to take what I

have?

Regards and thanks to all!

Jim Palfreyman

Jim, the 1854-0003 is a pretty common HP part in older eqpt. If you
have
junked 5245L counter handy, it's full of them, especially in the

decade

counter PCBs. If you don't have one handy, I have an assembly here

with

8
of them on it. If you like, I can send it right away (if you're

outside

the
USA, you pay postage).

Dave M
masondg44 at comcast dot net

I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman, "Where's the
self-help section?" She said if she told me, it would defeat the
purpose.


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www.sixmilesystems.com


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Got my 2N1701 in a T08! Ebay won the day. Two for $20 plus $5 postage. Much more reasonable! Regards, Jim 2009/8/11 Don Latham <djl@montana.com>: > wow. Same thing is happening to ebay. shipping is simply killing a lot of > small stuff I like... > Don > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Palfreyman" <jim77742@gmail.com> > To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" > <time-nuts@febo.com> > Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 7:37 PM > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP 106B quartz frequency standard...the story > > >> Yep this is where I found it too. Looks like an excellent shop. US$22 >> postage is steep too. >> >> Jim >> >> >> 2009/8/11 Don Latham <djl@montana.com>: >>> >>> Also, the following: >>> http://www.sphere.bc.ca/test/ >>> is one of the best spare parts sites for test equipment that I know of. >>> they're good folks. >>> Don >>> >>> Jim Palfreyman >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> The transistor in my unit (not a 4B model!) is 1854-0015. Lots of those. >>>> >>>> If someone can confirm this is identical to 1854-0003 I'll use it. >>>> Otherwise I may have to take up one of the very kind offers! >>>> >>>> On the 2N1701 - it has to be in a T08 package. This transistor sits in >>>> a special heat sink that is bolted to the oven wall. So unfortunately >>>> I can't substitute. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> >>>> 2009/8/11 ron hunt <resolver99@hotmail.com>: >>>>> >>>>> Hi!I Have The Exact 1854-0003 HP Part.If You Still Need It I Will Be >>>>> Happy To Send It No Charge.I May Need Some Help Some Day.Let Me Know >>>>> Your Shipping Address. >>>>> >>>>>> Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 19:15:33 -0600 >>>>>> From: djl@montana.com >>>>>> To: time-nuts@febo.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP 106B quartz frequency standard...the story >>>>>> >>>>>> carefully crack open the old to8 can to expose the leads internally, >>>>>> strip >>>>>> out the old transistor and cobble the to220 on top with appropriate >>>>>> leads. >>>>>> The to220 should fit under one of the old mounting screws? one >>>>>> direction >>>>>> will give the base and emitter connections properly. >>>>>> Don >>>>>> Jim Palfreyman >>>>>> > Thanks for that! - I do have a number of the 5254L units and one of >>>>>> > them is now being eyed off for organ donation. So thanks to all >>>>>> offers >>>>>> > for the 1854-0003. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > The 2N1701 in a T08 is my next quest... >>>>>> > >>>>>> > 2009/8/10 Dave M <masondg44@comcast.net>: >>>>>> >>> Hi all, >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Latest update. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> With some help and phone calls from Bill the fault seems to have >>>>>> been >>>>>> >>> isolated. I have removed Q11 from inside the oven and it is >>> >>>>>> >>> cactus. >>>>>> Q9 >>>>>> >>> is also very suspect so I'm going to replace that for good >>> >>>>>> >>> measure. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Q9 is a 2N1701 in a T08 package. Thanks to various people I should >>>>>> be >>>>>> >>> able to track one down. Q11 is marked as 1854-0003 and that's an >>>>>> >>> >>> HP >>>>>> >>> internal number and all I know. Might have to substitute that one. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> After all this I have some quality photos and can knock up some >>>>>> good >>>>>> >>> descriptions of the repairs and the 106B internals if anyone is >>>>>> >>> interested. Any websites hanging around that want to take what I >>>>>> have? >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Regards and thanks to all! >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Jim Palfreyman >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Jim, the 1854-0003 is a pretty common HP part in older eqpt. If you >>>>>> >> have >>>>>> >> junked 5245L counter handy, it's full of them, especially in the >>>>>> decade >>>>>> >> counter PCBs. If you don't have one handy, I have an assembly here >>>>>> with >>>>>> >> 8 >>>>>> >> of them on it. If you like, I can send it right away (if you're >>>>>> outside >>>>>> >> the >>>>>> >> USA, you pay postage). >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Dave M >>>>>> >> masondg44 at comcast dot net >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman, "Where's the >>>>>> >> self-help section?" She said if she told me, it would defeat the >>>>>> >> purpose. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>>>>> >> To unsubscribe, go to >>>>>> >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>>>>> >> and follow the instructions there. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>> > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>>>>> > To unsubscribe, go to >>>>>> > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>>>>> > and follow the instructions there. >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL >>>>>> Six Mile Systems LLP >>>>>> 17850 Six Mile Road >>>>>> POB 134 >>>>>> Huson, MT, 59846 >>>>>> VOX 406-626-4304 >>>>>> www.lightningforensics.com >>>>>> www.sixmilesystems.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>>>>> To unsubscribe, go to >>>>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>>>>> and follow the instructions there. >>>>> >>>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>>> Get free photo software from Windows Live >>>>> >>>>> http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_PH_software:082009 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>>>> To unsubscribe, go to >>>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>>>> and follow the instructions there. >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>>> To unsubscribe, go to >>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>>> and follow the instructions there. >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL >>> Six Mile Systems LLP >>> 17850 Six Mile Road >>> POB 134 >>> Huson, MT, 59846 >>> VOX 406-626-4304 >>> www.lightningforensics.com >>> www.sixmilesystems.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>> To unsubscribe, go to >>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>> and follow the instructions there. >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >