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TWL: Re: Log Book

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elnav@uniserve.com
Fri, Apr 5, 2002 9:39 AM

On the subject of log books:

I needed the schematic for a rudder angle indicator so dropped by the factory in Richmond.
While there I learned that this particular model can provide an RS 232 output to a "black box"
recorder.

The subject of black box recorders  has been discussed in commercial circles for quite some
time.  There is already a requirement for a rudder angle  recorder to be used on commercial
ships. There have also been  instances of  the paper record having been "deleted", gone
missing,  or defaced after an incident  involving collision or a grounding.

With  the new requirement of AIS  - Automatic Identification systems -  becoming law in several
places including the St. Lawrence Seaway  there will be renewed interest  in some sort of digital
record keeper  which is tamper proof.
Everyone always point back to the airline industry's use of flight recorders as the desired goal.
However, the cost of doing so it that way is very steep. The mechanics of recording is simple.
The method of  certifying the authenticity of that stored data is the problem.
No sooner an encryption method is found, than someone finds a way to  crack the code and
alter the data. < smile>

This is why the old bound book is still considered the best legal instrument for record keeping.
It is very hard to find a way to  alter a hand written record on bound paper without leaving a trace.

Cheers

Arild

On the subject of log books: I needed the schematic for a rudder angle indicator so dropped by the factory in Richmond. While there I learned that this particular model can provide an RS 232 output to a "black box" recorder. The subject of black box recorders has been discussed in commercial circles for quite some time. There is already a requirement for a rudder angle recorder to be used on commercial ships. There have also been instances of the paper record having been "deleted", gone missing, or defaced after an incident involving collision or a grounding. With the new requirement of AIS - Automatic Identification systems - becoming law in several places including the St. Lawrence Seaway there will be renewed interest in some sort of digital record keeper which is tamper proof. Everyone always point back to the airline industry's use of flight recorders as the desired goal. However, the cost of doing so it that way is very steep. The mechanics of recording is simple. The method of certifying the authenticity of that stored data is the problem. No sooner an encryption method is found, than someone finds a way to crack the code and alter the data. < smile> This is why the old bound book is still considered the best legal instrument for record keeping. It is very hard to find a way to alter a hand written record on bound paper without leaving a trace. Cheers Arild
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fastenuf4me@hotmail.com
Fri, Apr 5, 2002 3:30 PM
<div style='background-color:'><DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV>Paul Saltzman wrote</DIV> <DIV>>>>Does any one have a log book layout for a computer. I have been toying with the idea of doing one on Excel but I don't really care for the way it's coming out. Any help and or suggestions.>>></DIV> I believe for a Log Book to be legal it must be <BR><BR> <DIV align=center>Charles Monroe </DIV> <DIV></DIV>MV Ebb Tide,1979,34'DC Marine Trader <DIV></DIV>Point Patience Marina, NRC, Solomons, MD <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV></div><br clear=all><hr>Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here
<div style='background-color:'><DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV>Paul Saltzman wrote</DIV> <DIV>>>>Does any one have a log book layout for a computer. I have been toying with the idea of doing one on Excel but I don't really care for the way it's coming out. Any help and or suggestions.>>></DIV> I believe for a Log Book to be legal it must be <BR><BR> <DIV align=center>Charles Monroe </DIV> <DIV></DIV>MV Ebb Tide,1979,34'DC Marine Trader <DIV></DIV>Point Patience Marina, NRC, Solomons, MD <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV></div><br clear=all><hr>Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here
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hknott4@comcast.net
Fri, Apr 5, 2002 3:36 PM

Bound???!!!  ;-)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Monroe" fastenuf4me@hotmail.com
To: trawler-world-list@samurai.com
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 10:30 AM
Subject: TWL: Re: Log Book

Paul Saltzman wrote

Does any one have a log book layout for a computer.  I have been toying

with the idea of doing one on Excel but I don't really care for the way it's
coming out.  Any help and or suggestions.>>>

  I believe for a Log Book to be legal it must be

Charles Monroe
MV Ebb Tide,1979,34'DC Marine Trader
Point Patience Marina, NRC, Solomons, MD



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Bound???!!! ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Monroe" <fastenuf4me@hotmail.com> To: <trawler-world-list@samurai.com> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 10:30 AM Subject: TWL: Re: Log Book > > > Paul Saltzman wrote > >>>Does any one have a log book layout for a computer. I have been toying with the idea of doing one on Excel but I don't really care for the way it's coming out. Any help and or suggestions.>>> > > I believe for a Log Book to be legal it must be > > > > Charles Monroe > MV Ebb Tide,1979,34'DC Marine Trader > Point Patience Marina, NRC, Solomons, MD > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here > >
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samakijoe@attbi.com
Sat, Apr 6, 2002 12:14 AM

At 10:30 AM 04/05/2002 -0500, Charles Monroe wrote:

Paul Saltzman wrote >>>  >>>
I believe for a Log Book to be legal it must be

Charles Monroe  MV Ebb Tide,1979,34'DC Marine Trader  Point Patience
Marina, NRC, Solomons, MD
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OK Charles:  you get this months' prize for the most (no I'm not going to
do it).;-)  ..jd
Joe DellaFera / Margaret Murray
36' Prairie  DC "Prairie Star"
Pompano Beach, Fl.

At 10:30 AM 04/05/2002 -0500, Charles Monroe wrote: > > Paul Saltzman wrote >>> >>> > I believe for a Log Book to be legal it must be > > >Charles Monroe MV Ebb Tide,1979,34'DC Marine Trader Point Patience >Marina, NRC, Solomons, MD >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here OK Charles: you get this months' prize for the most (no I'm not going to do it).;-) ..jd Joe DellaFera / Margaret Murray 36' Prairie DC "Prairie Star" Pompano Beach, Fl.