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LORAN-C at MIT

JF
J. Forster
Sun, Apr 15, 2012 10:04 PM

Most of the stuff is private sellers...  not like it's open shopping at
the labs.

Yes, seven times a year;
Third Sunday of every month;
April through October.

-John

==============

Oh, I can't stand it...from my location in the sticks... really an MIT
flea market??????
real surplus/excess electronics????
Nuttin' like that in western Montana.
'course we do have wide open spaces :-)
Don

Rob Kimberley

Silly thought, but do you know if the 2100F units sold or not. I'm
interested at that price as Loran still good in UK (plus I used to sell
these when I worked for Austron, and would be nice to actually own one).

Rob Kimberley

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: [time-nuts] LORAN-C at MIT

At the MIT Flea today, I saw 4x Austron 2100Fs for about $25 each. There
was
also a LORAN-C simulator and a Stanford LORAN-C unit for $200.

Seems the stuff is hitting the skids.

-John

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Most of the stuff is private sellers... not like it's open shopping at the labs. Yes, seven times a year; Third Sunday of every month; April through October. -John ============== > Oh, I can't stand it...from my location in the sticks... really an MIT > flea market?????? > real surplus/excess electronics???? > Nuttin' like that in western Montana. > 'course we do have wide open spaces :-) > Don > > Rob Kimberley >> Silly thought, but do you know if the 2100F units sold or not. I'm >> interested at that price as Loran still good in UK (plus I used to sell >> these when I worked for Austron, and would be nice to actually own one). >> >> Rob Kimberley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On >> Behalf Of J. Forster >> Sent: 15 April 2012 19:41 >> To: time-nuts@febo.com >> Subject: [time-nuts] LORAN-C at MIT >> >> At the MIT Flea today, I saw 4x Austron 2100Fs for about $25 each. There >> was >> also a LORAN-C simulator and a Stanford LORAN-C unit for $200. >> >> Seems the stuff is hitting the skids. >> >> -John >> >> ============ >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> > > > -- > "Neither the voice of authority nor the weight of reason and argument > are as significant as experiment, for thence comes quiet to the mind." > R. Bacon > "If you don't know what it is, don't poke it." > Ghost in the Shell > > > Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL > Six Mile Systems LLP > 17850 Six Mile Road > POB 134 > Huson, MT, 59846 > VOX 406-626-4304 > www.lightningforensics.com > www.sixmilesystems.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > >
DL
Don Latham
Sun, Apr 15, 2012 10:07 PM

I know the HP paper was.

Though I picked up 6 rolls.
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL

Paul and all: I have two boxes of 9270-1010 Hp paper (about 12"
wide)with 25 rolls in each box, and another box mixed with Honeywell
about the same size. I'd be happy to send some of it to time nuts for
the cost of shipping. I modified my Heathkit chart recorder for the Hp
paper, but might use a whole 2-3 rolls in the time left. Was just ready
to recycle, so please let me know.

Don

"Neither the voice of authority nor the weight of reason and argument
are as significant as experiment, for thence comes quiet to the mind."
R. Bacon
"If you don't know what it is, don't poke it."
Ghost in the Shell

Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL
Six Mile Systems LLP
17850 Six Mile Road
POB 134
Huson, MT, 59846
VOX 406-626-4304
www.lightningforensics.com
www.sixmilesystems.com

I know the HP paper was. > Though I picked up 6 rolls. > Regards > Paul > WB8TSL Paul and all: I have two boxes of 9270-1010 Hp paper (about 12" wide)with 25 rolls in each box, and another box mixed with Honeywell about the same size. I'd be happy to send some of it to time nuts for the cost of shipping. I modified my Heathkit chart recorder for the Hp paper, but might use a whole 2-3 rolls in the time left. Was just ready to recycle, so please let me know. Don "Neither the voice of authority nor the weight of reason and argument are as significant as experiment, for thence comes quiet to the mind." R. Bacon "If you don't know what it is, don't poke it." Ghost in the Shell Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL Six Mile Systems LLP 17850 Six Mile Road POB 134 Huson, MT, 59846 VOX 406-626-4304 www.lightningforensics.com www.sixmilesystems.com
L
lists@lazygranch.com
Sun, Apr 15, 2012 10:09 PM

It is all over in the bay area. When manufacturing got outsourced, so did the surplus.

A lot of my lab is made up of Foothill and Livermore flea market purchases. (The local Metro PCS tech had the surplus Symetricomm and similar gear.) Foothiil begat the Lockheed parking lot which begat DeAnza. It is mostly junk.

Livermore did good until the community college decided not to allow it to be hosted there. It was moved to a park and ultimately shut down.

The TRW swapmeet is on my bucket list.

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Subject: Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-C at MIT

Don
It is indeed quite an interesting meet. There are some in San Francisco
with the same feel. Though my Ham friends say that may be kind of in the
past.

On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Don Latham djl@montana.com wrote:

Oh, I can't stand it...from my location in the sticks... really an MIT
flea market??????
real surplus/excess electronics????
Nuttin' like that in western Montana.
'course we do have wide open spaces :-)
Don

Rob Kimberley

Silly thought, but do you know if the 2100F units sold or not. I'm
interested at that price as Loran still good in UK (plus I used to sell
these when I worked for Austron, and would be nice to actually own one).

Rob Kimberley

-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On
Behalf Of J. Forster
Sent: 15 April 2012 19:41
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: [time-nuts] LORAN-C at MIT

At the MIT Flea today, I saw 4x Austron 2100Fs for about $25 each. There
was
also a LORAN-C simulator and a Stanford LORAN-C unit for $200.

Seems the stuff is hitting the skids.

-John

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"Neither the voice of authority nor the weight of reason and argument
are as significant as experiment, for thence comes quiet to the mind."
R. Bacon
"If you don't know what it is, don't poke it."
Ghost in the Shell

Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL
Six Mile Systems LLP
17850 Six Mile Road
POB 134
Huson, MT, 59846
VOX 406-626-4304
www.lightningforensics.com
www.sixmilesystems.com


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It is all over in the bay area. When manufacturing got outsourced, so did the surplus. A lot of my lab is made up of Foothill and Livermore flea market purchases. (The local Metro PCS tech had the surplus Symetricomm and similar gear.) Foothiil begat the Lockheed parking lot which begat DeAnza. It is mostly junk. Livermore did good until the community college decided not to allow it to be hosted there. It was moved to a park and ultimately shut down. The TRW swapmeet is on my bucket list. -----Original Message----- From: paul swed <paulswedb@gmail.com> Sender: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 17:53:35 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement<time-nuts@febo.com> Reply-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement <time-nuts@febo.com> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-C at MIT Don It is indeed quite an interesting meet. There are some in San Francisco with the same feel. Though my Ham friends say that may be kind of in the past. On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Don Latham <djl@montana.com> wrote: > Oh, I can't stand it...from my location in the sticks... really an MIT > flea market?????? > real surplus/excess electronics???? > Nuttin' like that in western Montana. > 'course we do have wide open spaces :-) > Don > > Rob Kimberley > > Silly thought, but do you know if the 2100F units sold or not. I'm > > interested at that price as Loran still good in UK (plus I used to sell > > these when I worked for Austron, and would be nice to actually own one). > > > > Rob Kimberley > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On > > Behalf Of J. Forster > > Sent: 15 April 2012 19:41 > > To: time-nuts@febo.com > > Subject: [time-nuts] LORAN-C at MIT > > > > At the MIT Flea today, I saw 4x Austron 2100Fs for about $25 each. There > > was > > also a LORAN-C simulator and a Stanford LORAN-C unit for $200. > > > > Seems the stuff is hitting the skids. > > > > -John > > > > ============ > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > -- > "Neither the voice of authority nor the weight of reason and argument > are as significant as experiment, for thence comes quiet to the mind." > R. Bacon > "If you don't know what it is, don't poke it." > Ghost in the Shell > > > Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL > Six Mile Systems LLP > 17850 Six Mile Road > POB 134 > Huson, MT, 59846 > VOX 406-626-4304 > www.lightningforensics.com > www.sixmilesystems.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
JF
J. Forster
Sun, Apr 15, 2012 10:09 PM

Six. I know someone who has been to almost as many of them as I have is on
this list. However he rarely posts. Another, which makes seven, has not
been seen lately.

-John

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On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 05:54:31PM -0400, paul swed wrote:

Yet another time nut that makes at least 4 at MIT! Thats a very dense
population.

I sometimes go myself, making at least 5... wasn't there this morning

though...

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Six. I know someone who has been to almost as many of them as I have is on this list. However he rarely posts. Another, which makes seven, has not been seen lately. -John ============ > On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 05:54:31PM -0400, paul swed wrote: >> Yet another time nut that makes at least 4 at MIT! Thats a very dense >> population. > > I sometimes go myself, making at least 5... wasn't there this morning > though... > > > > -- > Dave Emery N1PRE/AE, die@dieconsulting.com DIE Consulting, Weston, Mass > 02493 > "An empty zombie mind with a forlorn barely readable weatherbeaten > 'For Rent' sign still vainly flapping outside on the weed encrusted pole - > in > celebration of what could have been, but wasn't and is not to be now > either." > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > >
JL
Jim Lux
Sun, Apr 15, 2012 10:52 PM

On 4/15/12 3:09 PM, lists@lazygranch.com wrote:

It is all over in the bay area. When manufacturing got outsourced, so did the surplus.

A lot of my lab is made up of Foothill and Livermore flea market purchases. (The local Metro PCS tech had the surplus Symetricomm and similar gear.) Foothiil begat the Lockheed parking lot which begat DeAnza. It is mostly junk.

Livermore did good until the community college decided not to allow it to be hosted there. It was moved to a park and ultimately shut down.

The TRW swapmeet is on my bucket list.

hmm.. it's not all that wonderful either..

Several problems

  1. different processes at large companies that used to buy lots of
    equipment, and then keep it for a while.. now they contract it out to
    equipment rental places, so they don't have the gear on the books.  To
    the ultimate customer, it makes no difference.

  2. a much more diverse and rich environment for used gear to flow into.
    the internet has made it easier to put buyers and sellers together

  3. different "surplus equipment" policies. along with #1, there's not as
    much company owned gear to be surplused, and the processes don't lend
    themselves to "Bob loading up the truck and taking it down to the
    swapmeet"  Various and sundry ethics rules prevent surplus sales to
    employees (to prevent declaring that brand new VNA as "surplus").
    These days, often they will contract with somone to haul away scrap and
    surplus, and that contractor counts on a good mix of valuable and not so
    valuable.  (At JPL, dumpster diving is a definite no-no)

  4. less "user serviceable" stuff in general.  If it breaks, it's scrap,
    not repairable.

On 4/15/12 3:09 PM, lists@lazygranch.com wrote: > It is all over in the bay area. When manufacturing got outsourced, so did the surplus. > > A lot of my lab is made up of Foothill and Livermore flea market purchases. (The local Metro PCS tech had the surplus Symetricomm and similar gear.) Foothiil begat the Lockheed parking lot which begat DeAnza. It is mostly junk. > > Livermore did good until the community college decided not to allow it to be hosted there. It was moved to a park and ultimately shut down. > > The TRW swapmeet is on my bucket list. hmm.. it's not all that wonderful either.. Several problems 1) different processes at large companies that used to buy lots of equipment, and then keep it for a while.. now they contract it out to equipment rental places, so they don't have the gear on the books. To the ultimate customer, it makes no difference. 2) a much more diverse and rich environment for used gear to flow into. the internet has made it easier to put buyers and sellers together 3) different "surplus equipment" policies. along with #1, there's not as much company owned gear to be surplused, and the processes don't lend themselves to "Bob loading up the truck and taking it down to the swapmeet" Various and sundry ethics rules prevent surplus sales to employees (to prevent declaring that brand new VNA as "surplus"). These days, often they will contract with somone to haul away scrap and surplus, and that contractor counts on a good mix of valuable and not so valuable. (At JPL, dumpster diving is a definite no-no) 4) less "user serviceable" stuff in general. If it breaks, it's scrap, not repairable.
SB
Steve Byan
Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:03 AM

On Apr 15, 2012, at 6:09 PM, J. Forster wrote:

Six. I know someone who has been to almost as many of them as I have is on
this list. However he rarely posts. Another, which makes seven, has not
been seen lately.

Eight, I suppose, though I'm by no means a full-fledged time-nut.

I did score a Julie Research Labs VDR-106 at the MITflea, so I guess I at least qualify as a volt-nut.

I did spot the fellow with the leap-second T-shirt.

Best regards,
-Steve

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Littleton, MA 01460

On Apr 15, 2012, at 6:09 PM, J. Forster wrote: > Six. I know someone who has been to almost as many of them as I have is on > this list. However he rarely posts. Another, which makes seven, has not > been seen lately. Eight, I suppose, though I'm by no means a full-fledged time-nut. I did score a Julie Research Labs VDR-106 at the MITflea, so I guess I at least qualify as a volt-nut. I did spot the fellow with the leap-second T-shirt. Best regards, -Steve -- Steve Byan <stevebyan@me.com> Littleton, MA 01460
SM
Scott McGrath
Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:13 AM

Another at MIT at 1pm only one of the austron 2100's remained unsold

Scott

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 15, 2012, at 8:03 PM, Steve Byan stevebyan@verizon.net wrote:

On Apr 15, 2012, at 6:09 PM, J. Forster wrote:

Six. I know someone who has been to almost as many of them as I have is on
this list. However he rarely posts. Another, which makes seven, has not
been seen lately.

Eight, I suppose, though I'm by no means a full-fledged time-nut.

I did score a Julie Research Labs VDR-106 at the MITflea, so I guess I at least qualify as a volt-nut.

I did spot the fellow with the leap-second T-shirt.

Best regards,
-Steve

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Littleton, MA 01460


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Another at MIT at 1pm only one of the austron 2100's remained unsold Scott Sent from my iPhone On Apr 15, 2012, at 8:03 PM, Steve Byan <stevebyan@verizon.net> wrote: > > On Apr 15, 2012, at 6:09 PM, J. Forster wrote: > >> Six. I know someone who has been to almost as many of them as I have is on >> this list. However he rarely posts. Another, which makes seven, has not >> been seen lately. > > Eight, I suppose, though I'm by no means a full-fledged time-nut. > > I did score a Julie Research Labs VDR-106 at the MITflea, so I guess I at least qualify as a volt-nut. > > I did spot the fellow with the leap-second T-shirt. > > Best regards, > -Steve > > -- > Steve Byan <stevebyan@me.com> > Littleton, MA 01460 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.