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Austron 2100F and 4-digit GRI

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Walt
Fri, Dec 13, 2024 6:17 AM

Does the Austron 2100F support 4-digit GRI codes?  I have no problem
entering a 5-digit GRI, but when I enter a 4-digit GRI, it results in an
error ("--HELP--").

Presumably George, Fallon and Havre are GRI 5990, but I see no way to enter
it...

Does the Austron 2100F support 4-digit GRI codes? I have no problem entering a 5-digit GRI, but when I enter a 4-digit GRI, it results in an error ("--HELP--"). Presumably George, Fallon and Havre are GRI 5990, but I see no way to enter it...
PK
Poul-Henning Kamp
Fri, Dec 13, 2024 7:46 AM

Walt via time-nuts writes:

Does the Austron 2100F support 4-digit GRI codes?  I have no problem
entering a 5-digit GRI, but when I enter a 4-digit GRI, it results in an
error ("--HELP--").

Presumably George, Fallon and Havre are GRI 5990, but I see no way to enter
it...

what happens if you enter 59900 ?  It may simply want the GRI in microseconds.

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-------- Walt via time-nuts writes: > Does the Austron 2100F support 4-digit GRI codes? I have no problem > entering a 5-digit GRI, but when I enter a 4-digit GRI, it results in an > error ("--HELP--"). > > Presumably George, Fallon and Havre are GRI 5990, but I see no way to enter > it... what happens if you enter 59900 ? It may simply want the GRI in microseconds. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.
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Walt
Fri, Dec 13, 2024 4:48 PM

I believe you are correct; it wants the GRI in milliseconds.  "59900 GRI"
can be entered and the unit will go into ACQUIRE mode.  But it stays in
ACQUIRE indefinitely, and I wanted to make sure I wasn't entering the GRI
incorrectly.  I suspect the signal is overloaded by noise, and my passive
LORAN whip isn't helping.

If the GRI has units of milliseconds (e.g., 59900), where did the shortened
version of the GRI (e.g. 5990) come from?

Using KiwiSDR stations near me and in the Eastern part of Washington, I can
clearly see 9 bursts on 5990 (5991), and so I am optimistic that an active
loop will help.

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Subject: [time-nuts] Re: Austron 2100F and 4-digit GRI


Walt via time-nuts writes:

Does the Austron 2100F support 4-digit GRI codes?  I have no problem
entering a 5-digit GRI, but when I enter a 4-digit GRI, it results in
an error ("--HELP--").

Presumably George, Fallon and Havre are GRI 5990, but I see no way to
enter it...

what happens if you enter 59900 ?  It may simply want the GRI in
microseconds.

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I believe you are correct; it wants the GRI in milliseconds. "59900 GRI" can be entered and the unit will go into ACQUIRE mode. But it stays in ACQUIRE indefinitely, and I wanted to make sure I wasn't entering the GRI incorrectly. I suspect the signal is overloaded by noise, and my passive LORAN whip isn't helping. If the GRI has units of milliseconds (e.g., 59900), where did the shortened version of the GRI (e.g. 5990) come from? Using KiwiSDR stations near me and in the Eastern part of Washington, I can clearly see 9 bursts on 5990 (5991), and so I am optimistic that an active loop will help. -----Original Message----- From: Poul-Henning Kamp via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2024 11:47 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> Cc: Walt <walt@drizzle.com>; Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk> Subject: [time-nuts] Re: Austron 2100F and 4-digit GRI -------- Walt via time-nuts writes: > Does the Austron 2100F support 4-digit GRI codes? I have no problem > entering a 5-digit GRI, but when I enter a 4-digit GRI, it results in > an error ("--HELP--"). > > Presumably George, Fallon and Havre are GRI 5990, but I see no way to > enter it... what happens if you enter 59900 ? It may simply want the GRI in microseconds. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com
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paul swed
Fri, Dec 13, 2024 5:05 PM

It is 59900 then hit GRI that will do it.
Next step 1 acquire

On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 2:53 AM Poul-Henning Kamp via time-nuts <
time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote:


Walt via time-nuts writes:

Does the Austron 2100F support 4-digit GRI codes?  I have no problem
entering a 5-digit GRI, but when I enter a 4-digit GRI, it results in an
error ("--HELP--").

Presumably George, Fallon and Havre are GRI 5990, but I see no way to

enter

it...

what happens if you enter 59900 ?  It may simply want the GRI in
microseconds.

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It is 59900 then hit GRI that will do it. Next step 1 acquire On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 2:53 AM Poul-Henning Kamp via time-nuts < time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > -------- > Walt via time-nuts writes: > > > Does the Austron 2100F support 4-digit GRI codes? I have no problem > > entering a 5-digit GRI, but when I enter a 4-digit GRI, it results in an > > error ("--HELP--"). > > > > Presumably George, Fallon and Havre are GRI 5990, but I see no way to > enter > > it... > > what happens if you enter 59900 ? It may simply want the GRI in > microseconds. > > -- > Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 > phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 > FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe > Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com >
PK
Poul-Henning Kamp
Fri, Dec 13, 2024 6:04 PM

Walt writes:

If the GRI has units of milliseconds (e.g., 59900), where did the shortened
version of the GRI (e.g. 5990) come from?

I suspect because the first hardware was based on a 100kHz clock ?

Using KiwiSDR stations near me and in the Eastern part of Washington, I can
clearly see 9 bursts on 5990 (5991), and so I am optimistic that an active
loop will help.

Do you see a signal which looks like this ?

|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|---|

I have a faint memory that the 2100x receivers really dont want to lock unless
they can find the master signal, and as I understand it, during these tests,
only slave signals are being transmitted.

--
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phk@FreeBSD.ORG        | TCP/IP since RFC 956
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Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.

-------- Walt writes: > If the GRI has units of milliseconds (e.g., 59900), where did the shortened > version of the GRI (e.g. 5990) come from? I suspect because the first hardware was based on a 100kHz clock ? > Using KiwiSDR stations near me and in the Eastern part of Washington, I can > clearly see 9 bursts on 5990 (5991), and so I am optimistic that an active > loop will help. Do you see a signal which looks like this ? |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|---| I have a faint memory that the 2100x receivers really dont want to lock unless they can find the master signal, and as I understand it, during these tests, only slave signals are being transmitted. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.
PS
paul swed
Fri, Dec 13, 2024 7:33 PM

The onair signal is a secondary with a half high 9th data pulse. Thats
eLORAN. No masters.
The 2100f is very happy to find it.
The 2100T however really would like to see a master. So on the T you have
to advance to the next station.
I realize this last statement is tricky as that seems to be the way it
works. Or you can tell the T to acquire a secondary.
Good luck
Paul
WB8TSL

On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 2:04 PM Poul-Henning Kamp via time-nuts <
time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote:


Walt writes:

If the GRI has units of milliseconds (e.g., 59900), where did the

shortened

version of the GRI (e.g. 5990) come from?

I suspect because the first hardware was based on a 100kHz clock ?

Using KiwiSDR stations near me and in the Eastern part of Washington, I

can

clearly see 9 bursts on 5990 (5991), and so I am optimistic that an

active

loop will help.

Do you see a signal which looks like this ?

     |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|---|

I have a faint memory that the 2100x receivers really dont want to lock
unless
they can find the master signal, and as I understand it, during these
tests,
only slave signals are being transmitted.

--
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The onair signal is a secondary with a half high 9th data pulse. Thats eLORAN. No masters. The 2100f is very happy to find it. The 2100T however really would like to see a master. So on the T you have to advance to the next station. I realize this last statement is tricky as that seems to be the way it works. Or you can tell the T to acquire a secondary. Good luck Paul WB8TSL On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 2:04 PM Poul-Henning Kamp via time-nuts < time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > -------- > Walt writes: > > > If the GRI has units of milliseconds (e.g., 59900), where did the > shortened > > version of the GRI (e.g. 5990) come from? > > I suspect because the first hardware was based on a 100kHz clock ? > > > Using KiwiSDR stations near me and in the Eastern part of Washington, I > can > > clearly see 9 bursts on 5990 (5991), and so I am optimistic that an > active > > loop will help. > > Do you see a signal which looks like this ? > > |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|---| > > I have a faint memory that the 2100x receivers really dont want to lock > unless > they can find the master signal, and as I understand it, during these > tests, > only slave signals are being transmitted. > > -- > Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 > phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 > FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe > Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com >
BC
Brooke Clarke
Fri, Dec 13, 2024 8:14 PM

Hi Walt:

I have some information on the 2100F and 2100T at:
https://prc68.com/I/A2100F.shtml

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-------- Original Message --------

Does the Austron 2100F support 4-digit GRI codes?  I have no problem
entering a 5-digit GRI, but when I enter a 4-digit GRI, it results in an
error ("--HELP--").

Presumably George, Fallon and Havre are GRI 5990, but I see no way to enter
it...


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Hi Walt: I have some information on the 2100F and 2100T at: https://prc68.com/I/A2100F.shtml -- Have Fun, Brooke Clarke https://www.PRC68.com axioms: 1. The extent to which you can fix or improve something will be limited by how well you understand how it works. 2. Everybody, with no exceptions, holds false beliefs. -------- Original Message -------- > Does the Austron 2100F support 4-digit GRI codes? I have no problem > entering a 5-digit GRI, but when I enter a 4-digit GRI, it results in an > error ("--HELP--"). > > Presumably George, Fallon and Havre are GRI 5990, but I see no way to enter > it... > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com >
RS
Ralph Smith
Sun, Jan 5, 2025 5:30 AM

George is transmitting with Master Phase encoding, no master pulse, and a position modulated 9th pulse.
Fallon is transmitting with Secondary phase encoding, and a position modulated 9th pulse.
Havre is transmitting with Secondary phase encoding, and no 9th pulse.

Ralph
AB4RS

On Dec 13, 2024, at 2:33 PM, paul swed via time-nuts time-nuts@lists.febo.com wrote:

The onair signal is a secondary with a half high 9th data pulse. Thats
eLORAN. No masters.
The 2100f is very happy to find it.
The 2100T however really would like to see a master. So on the T you have
to advance to the next station.
I realize this last statement is tricky as that seems to be the way it
works. Or you can tell the T to acquire a secondary.
Good luck
Paul
WB8TSL

On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 2:04 PM Poul-Henning Kamp via time-nuts <
time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote:


Walt writes:

If the GRI has units of milliseconds (e.g., 59900), where did the

shortened

version of the GRI (e.g. 5990) come from?

I suspect because the first hardware was based on a 100kHz clock ?

Using KiwiSDR stations near me and in the Eastern part of Washington, I

can

clearly see 9 bursts on 5990 (5991), and so I am optimistic that an

active

loop will help.

Do you see a signal which looks like this ?

    |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|---|

I have a faint memory that the 2100x receivers really dont want to lock
unless
they can find the master signal, and as I understand it, during these
tests,
only slave signals are being transmitted.

--
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George is transmitting with Master Phase encoding, no master pulse, and a position modulated 9th pulse. Fallon is transmitting with Secondary phase encoding, and a position modulated 9th pulse. Havre is transmitting with Secondary phase encoding, and no 9th pulse. Ralph AB4RS > On Dec 13, 2024, at 2:33 PM, paul swed via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > The onair signal is a secondary with a half high 9th data pulse. Thats > eLORAN. No masters. > The 2100f is very happy to find it. > The 2100T however really would like to see a master. So on the T you have > to advance to the next station. > I realize this last statement is tricky as that seems to be the way it > works. Or you can tell the T to acquire a secondary. > Good luck > Paul > WB8TSL > > On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 2:04 PM Poul-Henning Kamp via time-nuts < > time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > >> -------- >> Walt writes: >> >>> If the GRI has units of milliseconds (e.g., 59900), where did the >> shortened >>> version of the GRI (e.g. 5990) come from? >> >> I suspect because the first hardware was based on a 100kHz clock ? >> >>> Using KiwiSDR stations near me and in the Eastern part of Washington, I >> can >>> clearly see 9 bursts on 5990 (5991), and so I am optimistic that an >> active >>> loop will help. >> >> Do you see a signal which looks like this ? >> >> |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|---| >> >> I have a faint memory that the 2100x receivers really dont want to lock >> unless >> they can find the master signal, and as I understand it, during these >> tests, >> only slave signals are being transmitted. >> >> -- >> Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 >> phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 >> FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe >> Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com >> To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com >> > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com