Hi Peter- Where is this blog? Last I knew the Nordhavn owners group was for owners only. Too bad they won't open it up as I'm sure there's a lot of good info there. When I tried to join I was refused because "we don't want advertising, so owners only." I'd think Nordhavn could easily afford to moderate posts; I think they have other motives. Regards, John "Seahorse" **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

Hi John: This is exactly why the Selene owner's made the decision to leave our site and forum open to owners and guests. The new Selene owner's site is at: www.seleneowners.org. Regards, Mark Tilden Selene 59 "Koinonia" Disclaimer: I built and operate the Selene Owner's site and forum on a volunteer basis. I own a Selene, but otherwise have no financial interest in the company. -----Original Message----- From: passagemaking-under-power-bounces@lists.samurai.com [mailto:passagemaking-under-power-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of Truelove39@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 2:10 AM To: petershepp@gmail.com Cc: passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com Subject: [PUP] Nordhavn 55 weblog? Hi Peter- Where is this blog? Last I knew the Nordhavn owners group was for owners only. Too bad they won't open it up as I'm sure there's a lot of good info there. When I tried to join I was refused because "we don't want advertising, so owners only." I'd think Nordhavn could easily afford to moderate posts; I think they have other motives. Regards, John "Seahorse" **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-du ffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) _______________________________________________ http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power To unsubscribe send email to passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com with the word UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks of Water World Productions, formerly known as Trawler World Productions.

> Too bad they [Nordhavn] won't open it [email list] > up as I'm sure there's a lot of good info > there. The Willard Boat Owners list is about to turn 8-years old, 9053 messages (about 100 per month now), and 555 members (including dead email addresses). We have always been open to all who are interested: owner, wannabe, whatever. A scan of recent topics includes Willard 40 water tankage (around 300 gallons); removing concrete ballast from a Willard 36; why many Willard 30's have a slight starboard list (batteries); replacing a stuffing box on a Willard 36. All tolled, there were about 225 production Willards built, most were 30-footers. The WBO list is self-moderating for the most part - even with 555 members. We've had 4 or 5 instances of spam, 2 or 3 instances of inappropriate advertising posts (a memorable post by a broker selling a 45-foot Egg Harbor sport fisher, for example), all leading to about 5 banned members (including the Egg Harbor broker). Not bad for 8-years, 555 members, 9000+ messages. While I understand the fear of having an open list, our expereince just hasn't supported those fears. Certainly makes me wonder whether 'advertising' is really the reason why a group decides to be closed. I'm not sure why a non-Willard enthusiast would want to be part of our discussion given the mundane topics, but our membership clearly wants that decision to be made by the member, not the membership: the list is be open to all comers. Personally, even as erstwhile moderator, I'm vociferously against a closed list because it has a 'clubby' feel that I'm uncomfortable with. But I'm the Groucho Marx type of joiner: wouldn't want to be part of a club that would have someone like me as a member. I don't think the WBO will ever close its ranks, but if it does, I'll be the first to delete my membership. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WillardBoatOwners/ (Must join Yahoo Groups to participate in any Yahoo-hosted email group) Peter Willard 36 Sedan San Francisco

The closure of the various Nordhavn lists (main list plus model- specific lists) is simply democracy at work... I've seen the issue come up for discussion several times on various lists, and the members have always voted for keeping them closed. That said, some are open to vendors, and some lists aren't even open to Nordhavn management, only owners. There are thousands of lists on every conceivable topic across the Net, with many of them having membership criteria, so I see nothing unusual here. What I do notice is that the depth of model-specific technical data is outstanding, and the discussions of various vendors and strategies for dealing with issues is very frank and helpful on the narrower, more tightly controlled lists, at least as compared to the open lists I also monitor. Naming of names, if you wish, that isn't appropriate on open lists. We often have a dozen or more owners contributing valuable information to a single topic. The communications model on some lists is that of a bunch of guys talking about boats over a few beers in a corner of the bar. While I generally favor open lists, the quality difference I see in posting content is worth the compromise, at least to me. PUP, of course, remains outstanding and open, as long as passage- making is the topic. John Marshall Serendipity - N5520 On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:03 AM, Peter Pisciotta wrote: >> Too bad they [Nordhavn] won't open it [email list] >> up as I'm sure there's a lot of good info >> there. > > The Willard Boat Owners list is about to turn 8-years > old, 9053 messages (about 100 per month now), and 555 > members (including dead email addresses). > > We have always been open to all who are interested: > owner, wannabe, whatever. A scan of recent topics > includes Willard 40 water tankage (around 300 > gallons); removing concrete ballast from a Willard 36; > why many Willard 30's have a slight starboard list > (batteries); replacing a stuffing box on a Willard 36. > All tolled, there were about 225 production Willards > built, most were 30-footers. > > The WBO list is self-moderating for the most part - > even with 555 members. We've had 4 or 5 instances of > spam, 2 or 3 instances of inappropriate advertising > posts (a memorable post by a broker selling a 45-foot > Egg Harbor sport fisher, for example), all leading to > about 5 banned members (including the Egg Harbor > broker). Not bad for 8-years, 555 members, 9000+ > messages. While I understand the fear of having an > open list, our expereince just hasn't supported those > fears. Certainly makes me wonder whether 'advertising' > is really the reason why a group decides to be closed. > > I'm not sure why a non-Willard enthusiast would want > to be part of our discussion given the mundane topics, > but our membership clearly wants that decision to be > made by the member, not the membership: the list is be > open to all comers. Personally, even as erstwhile > moderator, I'm vociferously against a closed list > because it has a 'clubby' feel that I'm uncomfortable > with. But I'm the Groucho Marx type of joiner: > wouldn't want to be part of a club that would have > someone like me as a member. I don't think the WBO > will ever close its ranks, but if it does, I'll be the > first to delete my membership. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WillardBoatOwners/ > (Must join Yahoo Groups to participate in any > Yahoo-hosted email group) > > Peter > Willard 36 Sedan > San Francisco > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power > > To unsubscribe send email to > passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com with the word > UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. > > Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks of Water World > Productions, formerly known as Trawler World Productions.

John said: Hi Peter- Where is this blog? Last I knew the Nordhavn owners group was for owners only. Too bad they won't open it up as I'm sure there's a lot of good info there. When I tried to join I was refused because "we don't want advertising, so owners only." I'd think Nordhavn could easily afford to moderate posts; I think they have other motives. Oh John, here we go again. Nordhavn doesn't administer the list, a boat owner does. They are list members just like anyone else. The people at PAE rarely participate. The grass is always greener... Scott Bulger, Alanui, N40II, Seattle WA