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RE: TWL: RE: engine room temperature/venting

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elnav@uniserve.com
Thu, Oct 25, 2001 2:43 PM

At 03:53 PM 10/25/2001 -0700, Garrett Lambert wrote:

Based on this thread, I suspect the builder was right about the fan

direction,
<<< snip>>>

I suspect a trawler running at maximum speed isn't going to deliver the
kind of volume and rate that Glenn Wauss suggests is needed.

Opinions on fan-driven engine room air supply?

REPLY

All the big yachts ( 65 - 90 feet )  that I have been on  lately have been
fitted with  forced  ventilation blowers.
Judging by the power needed  to drive these,  the air volume is considerable.
Certainly  a 16 inch  dimater duct with a fan running at  1000 RPM  moves a
lot of air.
Evidently the designers and or engine  makers  have  decided  that  forced
ventilation is necessary for  both  engine and  passenger comfort.

Cheers

Arild

At 03:53 PM 10/25/2001 -0700, Garrett Lambert wrote: >Based on this thread, I suspect the builder was right about the fan direction, <<< snip>>> >I suspect a trawler running at maximum speed isn't going to deliver the >kind of volume and rate that Glenn Wauss suggests is needed. > >Opinions on fan-driven engine room air supply? REPLY All the big yachts ( 65 - 90 feet ) that I have been on lately have been fitted with forced ventilation blowers. Judging by the power needed to drive these, the air volume is considerable. Certainly a 16 inch dimater duct with a fan running at 1000 RPM moves a lot of air. Evidently the designers and or engine makers have decided that forced ventilation is necessary for both engine and passenger comfort. Cheers Arild
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e16@telus.net
Thu, Oct 25, 2001 10:53 PM

On survey, it was noted that my boat's engine room blowers sucked air IN
rather than blowing it OUT, and it was recommended they be reversed.
However, nave as I then was - and probably still am - I figured the
builder knew what he was doing, and left them as they were. (I admit to
also being a tad lazy.)

Based on this thread, I suspect the builder was right about the fan
direction, and that the twin 120 Lehmans need more cool, fresh air than
the wimpy vents can provide on their own. Even were the vents bigger, I
suspect a trawler running at maximum speed isn't going to deliver the
kind of volume and rate that Glenn Wauss suggests is needed.

Opinions on fan-driven engine room air supply?

Cheers, Garrett

On survey, it was noted that my boat's engine room blowers sucked air IN rather than blowing it OUT, and it was recommended they be reversed. However, nave as I then was - and probably still am - I figured the builder knew what he was doing, and left them as they were. (I admit to also being a tad lazy.) Based on this thread, I suspect the builder was right about the fan direction, and that the twin 120 Lehmans need more cool, fresh air than the wimpy vents can provide on their own. Even were the vents bigger, I suspect a trawler running at maximum speed isn't going to deliver the kind of volume and rate that Glenn Wauss suggests is needed. Opinions on fan-driven engine room air supply? Cheers, Garrett
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shaunsweeney@telus.net
Fri, Oct 26, 2001 12:34 AM

IMHO, there is nothing a diesel engine likes more than cold, dense air for
best performance.  I have twin Lehman's as well and had the same wimpy
little vents with a single fan sucking air out of the engine room.

Not any longer, I put a 90 cfm fan at the back and jam as much cool air as I
can into the room while running.  I definitely reduced the temp in the room
and so far, neither of my babies have complained about the draft.

On the other hand, I did have an ex commercial fisherman suggest that if I
ever had an oil line break (with resulting spray of oil on hot metal) I'd
want to be able to vent the room.  So I do plan to add another fan going the
other direction - for emergencies only.  That is if my original plan of
hinging the existing fan (to reverse direction) doesn't work out.

An old time merchant marine chief engineer told me to forget about sucking
the air out of the room in the event of a fire.  Said you'd just suck the
fire into some other part of the boat.  He advised that in the event of fire
it was best to shut down all ventilation in either direction.

IMHO, there is nothing a diesel engine likes more than cold, dense air for best performance. I have twin Lehman's as well and had the same wimpy little vents with a single fan sucking air out of the engine room. Not any longer, I put a 90 cfm fan at the back and jam as much cool air as I can into the room while running. I definitely reduced the temp in the room and so far, neither of my babies have complained about the draft. On the other hand, I did have an ex commercial fisherman suggest that if I ever had an oil line break (with resulting spray of oil on hot metal) I'd want to be able to vent the room. So I do plan to add another fan going the other direction - for emergencies only. That is if my original plan of hinging the existing fan (to reverse direction) doesn't work out. An old time merchant marine chief engineer told me to forget about sucking the air out of the room in the event of a fire. Said you'd just suck the fire into some other part of the boat. He advised that in the event of fire it was best to shut down all ventilation in either direction.
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adventuresoul@yahoo.com
Thu, Nov 1, 2001 8:06 PM

Yesterday I was out for a short cruise on a friends
Roughwater and we topped up the fuel tanks. He had a
great gizmo that caught any fuel over flow if you
filled to full. Its at west marine for 18.99 or close.
Its in the catalog. I cant recall exactly but I want
to say page 18. and I think it ws called spill saver.

It is a plastic cup with two suction cups on the
sides. You wet the suction cups and place the cup over
the fuel vent. It acts as a container for fuel that
gurgles out of the vent. pretty easy to use and real
handy. One of my next purchases or maybe might make
one myself.

Dan
37 Roughwater
"Wen I Dream"

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Yesterday I was out for a short cruise on a friends Roughwater and we topped up the fuel tanks. He had a great gizmo that caught any fuel over flow if you filled to full. Its at west marine for 18.99 or close. Its in the catalog. I cant recall exactly but I want to say page 18. and I think it ws called spill saver. It is a plastic cup with two suction cups on the sides. You wet the suction cups and place the cup over the fuel vent. It acts as a container for fuel that gurgles out of the vent. pretty easy to use and real handy. One of my next purchases or maybe might make one myself. Dan 37 Roughwater "Wen I Dream" ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com
GM
Gregg.McKay@telus.net
Thu, Nov 1, 2001 11:40 PM

SNIP<<< It is a plastic cup with two suction cups on the
sides. You wet the suction cups and place the cup over
the fuel vent. >>>ENDSNIP

When we filled up in Poulsbo this summer the dock guy asked if I minded
if he attached one of these to our fuel vent.  As Joe says, its easier
on the side against the fuel dock.

Gregg mcKay
Tolly 37

SNIP<<< It is a plastic cup with two suction cups on the sides. You wet the suction cups and place the cup over the fuel vent. >>>ENDSNIP When we filled up in Poulsbo this summer the dock guy asked if I minded if he attached one of these to our fuel vent. As Joe says, its easier on the side against the fuel dock. Gregg mcKay Tolly 37
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cculotta@iamerica.net
Thu, Nov 1, 2001 11:46 PM

Dan,
Have one and love it.
Do put a small hole in one of the wings, to which the suction cups
attach  and run a string thru it that is long enough to tie off to the
rail so that it will not fall over board if it comes loose as it will fr
time to time.
CCC

Dan Symula wrote:

topped up the fuel tanks. He had a
great gizmo that caught any fuel over flow if you
filled to full.

It is a plastic cup with two suction cups on the
sides.

It acts as a container for fuel that
gurgles out of the vent.

Dan
37 Roughwater
"Wen I Dream"

--
Charles and Pat Culotta
Patterson, La.
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/charlesculotta/

Dan, Have one and love it. Do put a small hole in one of the wings, to which the suction cups attach and run a string thru it that is long enough to tie off to the rail so that it will not fall over board if it comes loose as it will fr time to time. CCC Dan Symula wrote: > topped up the fuel tanks. He had a > great gizmo that caught any fuel over flow if you > filled to full. > It is a plastic cup with two suction cups on the > sides. > It acts as a container for fuel that > gurgles out of the vent. > Dan > 37 Roughwater > "Wen I Dream" -- Charles and Pat Culotta Patterson, La. Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/charlesculotta/