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HP / Agilent 53132A

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Roger Brinkman
Thu, Apr 27, 2023 10:45 PM

Hello Time Nuts,

I am looking to purchase a HP / Agilent 53132A to further my precision
timekeeping hobby. There seems to be a lack of availability on EBay at
the moment however I wanted to draw on the experience of our group for
advice please. For example, does the following listing look like a fair
price and quality offering?

Failing that, if anyone is looking to sell one, please feel free to PM
me. I am located in Australia.

s-l500.jpg
[1]Keysight Agilent 53132A opt:030 Universal Frequency Counter 3GHZ,12
digits/s
[2]ebay.com.au

I look forward to your advice!

Best wishes

Roger.

References

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  1. https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/134492450578?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=705-154756-20017-0&ssspo=td6_hq7trtm&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=7HPQ6pffSGO&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
  2. https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/134492450578?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=705-154756-20017-0&ssspo=td6_hq7trtm&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=7HPQ6pffSGO&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

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Hello Time Nuts, I am looking to purchase a HP / Agilent 53132A to further my precision timekeeping hobby. There seems to be a lack of availability on EBay at the moment however I wanted to draw on the experience of our group for advice please. For example, does the following listing look like a fair price and quality offering? Failing that, if anyone is looking to sell one, please feel free to PM me. I am located in Australia. s-l500.jpg [1]Keysight Agilent 53132A opt:030 Universal Frequency Counter 3GHZ,12 digits/s [2]ebay.com.au I look forward to your advice! Best wishes Roger. References Visible links: 1. https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/134492450578?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=705-154756-20017-0&ssspo=td6_hq7trtm&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=7HPQ6pffSGO&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY 2. https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/134492450578?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=705-154756-20017-0&ssspo=td6_hq7trtm&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=7HPQ6pffSGO&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY Hidden links: 4. https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/134492450578?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=705-154756-20017-0&ssspo=td6_hq7trtm&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=7HPQ6pffSGO&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
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Brett Fanoga
Thu, Apr 27, 2023 11:34 PM

I do not own the 53132A, but I own a 53131A and they are similar.  The
53132A is rated at 150ps time interval resolution , the 53131A is rated
at 500 ps resolution.  I believe the 53132A is 12 digit and the 53131A
is 10 digit.

I bought mine about 2 years after they came out, I got one from a test
equipment leasing company for around $1100 US.  I have only had one
problem with mine, the fan failed.  It runs all the time, if the unit is
plugged in to power – even if the unit is off on the power switch. 
Called HP and they do not sell the fan, they want to sell you the whole
power supply which they wanted a small fortune for.  But, I found
Digi-Key carried the exact fan, and I bought 2 units for just under $50
US about 10 years ago.  And now if I am not using the counter,  I unplug it.

Other problems noted, from other people, is the display can go dim on
you.  Its vacuum florescent and at one time, the Chinese were selling
replacements around $100 US.

Amateur’s have made third party boards for the units.  One adds the
pre-scaler, for the “C” input, you can buy them up to 12 GHz or so.  I
bought a 3 GHz unit, as the normal frequency range as a counter is
limited to 225 MHz.

Also available is high stability oscillator boards, some a working
product, some bare boards, for do it yourself.  I bought one with a
Morion MV-89A oscillator, as on occasion, I took the unit portable to go
work on transmitters.  But for time interval work, the standard time
base is fine.

On 4/27/23 17:45, Roger Brinkman via time-nuts wrote:

 Hello Time Nuts,

 I am looking to purchase a HP / Agilent 53132A to further my precision
 timekeeping hobby. There seems to be a lack of availability on EBay at
 the moment however I wanted to draw on the experience of our group for
 advice please. For example, does the following listing look like a fair
 price and quality offering?

 Failing that, if anyone is looking to sell one, please feel free to PM
 me. I am located in Australia.

 s-l500.jpg
 [1]Keysight Agilent 53132A opt:030 Universal Frequency Counter 3GHZ,12
 digits/s
 [2]ebay.com.au

 I look forward to your advice!

 Best wishes

 Roger.

References

 Visible links:
 1. https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/134492450578?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=705-154756-20017-0&ssspo=td6_hq7trtm&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=7HPQ6pffSGO&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
 2. https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/134492450578?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=705-154756-20017-0&ssspo=td6_hq7trtm&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=7HPQ6pffSGO&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

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 4. https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/134492450578?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=705-154756-20017-0&ssspo=td6_hq7trtm&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=7HPQ6pffSGO&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

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I do not own the 53132A, but I own a 53131A and they are similar.  The 53132A is rated at 150ps time interval resolution , the 53131A is rated at 500 ps resolution.  I believe the 53132A is 12 digit and the 53131A is 10 digit. I bought mine about 2 years after they came out, I got one from a test equipment leasing company for around $1100 US.  I have only had one problem with mine, the fan failed.  It runs all the time, if the unit is plugged in to power – even if the unit is off on the power switch.  Called HP and they do not sell the fan, they want to sell you the whole power supply which they wanted a small fortune for.  But, I found Digi-Key carried the exact fan, and I bought 2 units for just under $50 US about 10 years ago.  And now if I am not using the counter,  I unplug it. Other problems noted, from other people, is the display can go dim on you.  Its vacuum florescent and at one time, the Chinese were selling replacements around $100 US. Amateur’s have made third party boards for the units.  One adds the pre-scaler, for the “C” input, you can buy them up to 12 GHz or so.  I bought a 3 GHz unit, as the normal frequency range as a counter is limited to 225 MHz. Also available is high stability oscillator boards, some a working product, some bare boards, for do it yourself.  I bought one with a Morion MV-89A oscillator, as on occasion, I took the unit portable to go work on transmitters.  But for time interval work, the standard time base is fine. On 4/27/23 17:45, Roger Brinkman via time-nuts wrote: > Hello Time Nuts, > > I am looking to purchase a HP / Agilent 53132A to further my precision > timekeeping hobby. There seems to be a lack of availability on EBay at > the moment however I wanted to draw on the experience of our group for > advice please. For example, does the following listing look like a fair > price and quality offering? > > Failing that, if anyone is looking to sell one, please feel free to PM > me. I am located in Australia. > > s-l500.jpg > [1]Keysight Agilent 53132A opt:030 Universal Frequency Counter 3GHZ,12 > digits/s > [2]ebay.com.au > > I look forward to your advice! > > Best wishes > > Roger. > > References > > Visible links: > 1. https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/134492450578?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=705-154756-20017-0&ssspo=td6_hq7trtm&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=7HPQ6pffSGO&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY > 2. https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/134492450578?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=705-154756-20017-0&ssspo=td6_hq7trtm&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=7HPQ6pffSGO&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY > > Hidden links: > 4. https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/134492450578?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=705-154756-20017-0&ssspo=td6_hq7trtm&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=7HPQ6pffSGO&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com
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Bob Camp
Fri, Apr 28, 2023 12:36 AM

Hi

The magic link does not seem to work from the US.

A few thoughts:

  1. You will pay extra for the 3 GHz input. As mentioned in other posts, there are alternatives. This
    applies to any of the 5313x or 5323x counter.

  2. Pricing on the 5313x counters varies a lot over time. Shipping also plays a part. Sub $500 (US)
    delivered is a good deal on any 5313x counter. To me, anything over $1,000 is a bit high for a “good
    deal: sort of price.

Yes, the 53131 and 53132 just got tossed into one big lump. Oddly enough, eBay does not always
distinguish between the two. You can find them priced in a very confusing fashion (relative to each
other).

These days one should also watch the 5323x counter. They have been out long enough to be running
around eBay. There are ample examples of 5313x counters listed above the “good deal" price for a
5323x counter. For most applications, the 5323x is going to be a better bet ….

Bob

On Apr 27, 2023, at 6:45 PM, Roger Brinkman via time-nuts time-nuts@lists.febo.com wrote:

Hello Time Nuts,

I am looking to purchase a HP / Agilent 53132A to further my precision
timekeeping hobby. There seems to be a lack of availability on EBay at
the moment however I wanted to draw on the experience of our group for
advice please. For example, does the following listing look like a fair
price and quality offering?

Failing that, if anyone is looking to sell one, please feel free to PM
me. I am located in Australia.

s-l500.jpg
[1]Keysight Agilent 53132A opt:030 Universal Frequency Counter 3GHZ,12
digits/s
[2]ebay.com.au

I look forward to your advice!

Best wishes

Roger.

References

Visible links:

  1. https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/134492450578?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=705-154756-20017-0&ssspo=td6_hq7trtm&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=7HPQ6pffSGO&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
  2. https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/134492450578?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=705-154756-20017-0&ssspo=td6_hq7trtm&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=7HPQ6pffSGO&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

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Hi The magic link does not seem to work from the US. A few thoughts: 1) You will pay extra for the 3 GHz input. As mentioned in other posts, there are alternatives. This applies to any of the 5313x or 5323x counter. 2) Pricing on the 5313x counters varies a lot over time. Shipping also plays a part. Sub $500 (US) delivered is a good deal on any 5313x counter. To me, anything over $1,000 is a bit high for a “good deal: sort of price. Yes, the 53131 and 53132 just got tossed into one big lump. Oddly enough, eBay does not always distinguish between the two. You can find them priced in a very confusing fashion (relative to each other). These days one should also watch the 5323x counter. They have been out long enough to be running around eBay. There are ample examples of 5313x counters listed above the “good deal" price for a 5323x counter. For most applications, the 5323x is going to be a better bet …. Bob > On Apr 27, 2023, at 6:45 PM, Roger Brinkman via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > Hello Time Nuts, > > I am looking to purchase a HP / Agilent 53132A to further my precision > timekeeping hobby. There seems to be a lack of availability on EBay at > the moment however I wanted to draw on the experience of our group for > advice please. For example, does the following listing look like a fair > price and quality offering? > > Failing that, if anyone is looking to sell one, please feel free to PM > me. I am located in Australia. > > s-l500.jpg > [1]Keysight Agilent 53132A opt:030 Universal Frequency Counter 3GHZ,12 > digits/s > [2]ebay.com.au > > I look forward to your advice! > > Best wishes > > Roger. > > References > > Visible links: > 1. https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/134492450578?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=705-154756-20017-0&ssspo=td6_hq7trtm&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=7HPQ6pffSGO&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY > 2. https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/134492450578?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=705-154756-20017-0&ssspo=td6_hq7trtm&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=7HPQ6pffSGO&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY > > Hidden links: > 4. https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/134492450578?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=705-154756-20017-0&ssspo=td6_hq7trtm&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=7HPQ6pffSGO&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY > <s-l500.jpg>_______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com
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Yanjun Ma
Fri, Apr 28, 2023 2:19 AM

These devices are widely available in China market, and the average price
is  about USD300.
Shipping costs with SF express ( high quality, about 7 days delivery)
is about USD150.

Best wishes
Yanjun

Bob Camp via time-nuts time-nuts@lists.febo.com 于2023年4月28日周五 10:15写道:

Hi

The magic link does not seem to work from the US.

A few thoughts:

  1. You will pay extra for the 3 GHz input. As mentioned in other posts,
    there are alternatives. This
    applies to any of the 5313x or 5323x counter.

  2. Pricing on the 5313x counters varies a lot over time. Shipping also
    plays a part. Sub $500 (US)
    delivered is a good deal on any 5313x counter. To me, anything over $1,000
    is a bit high for a “good
    deal: sort of price.

Yes, the 53131 and 53132 just got tossed into one big lump. Oddly enough,
eBay does not always
distinguish between the two. You can find them priced in a very confusing
fashion (relative to each
other).

These days one should also watch the 5323x counter. They have been out
long enough to be running
around eBay. There are ample examples of 5313x counters listed above the
“good deal" price for a
5323x counter. For most applications, the 5323x is going to be a better
bet ….

Bob

On Apr 27, 2023, at 6:45 PM, Roger Brinkman via time-nuts <

Hello Time Nuts,

I am looking to purchase a HP / Agilent 53132A to further my precision
timekeeping hobby. There seems to be a lack of availability on EBay at
the moment however I wanted to draw on the experience of our group for
advice please. For example, does the following listing look like a fair
price and quality offering?

Failing that, if anyone is looking to sell one, please feel free to PM
me. I am located in Australia.

s-l500.jpg
[1]Keysight Agilent 53132A opt:030 Universal Frequency Counter 3GHZ,12
digits/s
[2]ebay.com.au

I look forward to your advice!

Best wishes

Roger.

References

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1.

Hidden links:
4.

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These devices are widely available in China market, and the average price is about USD300. Shipping costs with SF express ( high quality, about 7 days delivery) is about USD150. Best wishes Yanjun Bob Camp via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> 于2023年4月28日周五 10:15写道: > Hi > > The magic link does not seem to work from the US. > > A few thoughts: > > 1) You will pay extra for the 3 GHz input. As mentioned in other posts, > there are alternatives. This > applies to any of the 5313x or 5323x counter. > > 2) Pricing on the 5313x counters varies a lot over time. Shipping also > plays a part. Sub $500 (US) > delivered is a good deal on any 5313x counter. To me, anything over $1,000 > is a bit high for a “good > deal: sort of price. > > Yes, the 53131 and 53132 just got tossed into one big lump. Oddly enough, > eBay does not always > distinguish between the two. You can find them priced in a very confusing > fashion (relative to each > other). > > These days one should also watch the 5323x counter. They have been out > long enough to be running > around eBay. There are ample examples of 5313x counters listed above the > “good deal" price for a > 5323x counter. For most applications, the 5323x is going to be a better > bet …. > > Bob > > > > On Apr 27, 2023, at 6:45 PM, Roger Brinkman via time-nuts < > time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > > > Hello Time Nuts, > > > > I am looking to purchase a HP / Agilent 53132A to further my precision > > timekeeping hobby. There seems to be a lack of availability on EBay at > > the moment however I wanted to draw on the experience of our group for > > advice please. For example, does the following listing look like a fair > > price and quality offering? > > > > Failing that, if anyone is looking to sell one, please feel free to PM > > me. I am located in Australia. > > > > s-l500.jpg > > [1]Keysight Agilent 53132A opt:030 Universal Frequency Counter 3GHZ,12 > > digits/s > > [2]ebay.com.au > > > > I look forward to your advice! > > > > Best wishes > > > > Roger. > > > > References > > > > Visible links: > > 1. > https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/134492450578?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=705-154756-20017-0&ssspo=td6_hq7trtm&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=7HPQ6pffSGO&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY > > 2. > https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/134492450578?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=705-154756-20017-0&ssspo=td6_hq7trtm&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=7HPQ6pffSGO&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY > > > > Hidden links: > > 4. > https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/134492450578?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=705-154756-20017-0&ssspo=td6_hq7trtm&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=7HPQ6pffSGO&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY > > <s-l500.jpg>_______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com
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Richard (Rick) Karlquist
Sat, Apr 29, 2023 7:21 PM

On 4/27/2023 4:34 PM, Brett Fanoga via time-nuts wrote:

equipment leasing company for around $1100 US.  I have only had one
problem with mine, the fan failed.  It runs all the time, if the unit is
plugged in to power – even if the unit is off on the power switch.
Called HP and they do not sell the fan, they want to sell you the whole
power supply which they wanted a small fortune for.  But, I found
Digi-Key carried the exact fan, and I bought 2 units for just under $50
US about 10 years ago.  And now if I am not using the counter,  I unplug
it.

I worked for the HP Santa Clara Division during the era of these
instruments, which were code named "Major League Baseball" (MLB).  I suspect
(based on other HP instruments) that the fan is necessary to keep
the power transformer from overheating due to its own core loss.
And the power transformer is connected to the AC line at all times,
to save the hassle of a line level on/off switch, with all the
safety problems.  Fans running 24/7 are well known not to last for
more than a year or so.

And yes, vacuum fluorescents are famous for wearing out.  My N8LP
digital vector wattmeter puts the VF display to sleep after a
few minutes to extend the life.

Add on prescalers using dynamic flip flops are fairly fussy about
about broadband noise floor, etc.

This reminds me of a humorous anecdote.  I was in a meeting with
the designer of the MLB FPGA and Len Cutler.  The MLB engineer
offered his opinion about some technical issue, after which
he appended it with a self-deprecating remark along the lines
of "of course I've only been here for 30 years".  As if on
cue, Len angrily fired back with "well, I've been here 40 years".
This was classic Len behavior.  I kind of felt bad for the
MLB engineer.

Rick N6RK

On 4/27/2023 4:34 PM, Brett Fanoga via time-nuts wrote: > equipment leasing company for around $1100 US.  I have only had one > problem with mine, the fan failed.  It runs all the time, if the unit is > plugged in to power – even if the unit is off on the power switch. > Called HP and they do not sell the fan, they want to sell you the whole > power supply which they wanted a small fortune for.  But, I found > Digi-Key carried the exact fan, and I bought 2 units for just under $50 > US about 10 years ago.  And now if I am not using the counter,  I unplug > it. > I worked for the HP Santa Clara Division during the era of these instruments, which were code named "Major League Baseball" (MLB). I suspect (based on other HP instruments) that the fan is necessary to keep the power transformer from overheating due to its own core loss. And the power transformer is connected to the AC line at all times, to save the hassle of a line level on/off switch, with all the safety problems. Fans running 24/7 are well known not to last for more than a year or so. And yes, vacuum fluorescents are famous for wearing out. My N8LP digital vector wattmeter puts the VF display to sleep after a few minutes to extend the life. Add on prescalers using dynamic flip flops are fairly fussy about about broadband noise floor, etc. This reminds me of a humorous anecdote. I was in a meeting with the designer of the MLB FPGA and Len Cutler. The MLB engineer offered his opinion about some technical issue, after which he appended it with a self-deprecating remark along the lines of "of course I've only been here for 30 years". As if on cue, Len angrily fired back with "well, I've been here 40 years". This was classic Len behavior. I kind of felt bad for the MLB engineer. Rick N6RK
BC
Bob Camp
Sat, Apr 29, 2023 10:32 PM

Hi

The power supply in the 5313x counters was made by who knows who
( = HP bought it from the low bidder). They are very much the weak point
in the device. Will yours fail tomorrow? Who knows …..

The “cheap answer” to the replacement issue is to buy a 53181. They are
not a popular item. They don’t fetch much compared to the other counters
in the series. They do share the same power supply. We  swapped a
lot of supplies between the 181 and 131/132 counters. (as in dozens …).

Bob

On Apr 29, 2023, at 3:21 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist via time-nuts time-nuts@lists.febo.com wrote:

On 4/27/2023 4:34 PM, Brett Fanoga via time-nuts wrote:

equipment leasing company for around $1100 US.  I have only had one problem with mine, the fan failed.  It runs all the time, if the unit is plugged in to power – even if the unit is off on the power switch. Called HP and they do not sell the fan, they want to sell you the whole power supply which they wanted a small fortune for.  But, I found Digi-Key carried the exact fan, and I bought 2 units for just under $50 US about 10 years ago.  And now if I am not using the counter,  I unplug it.

I worked for the HP Santa Clara Division during the era of these instruments, which were code named "Major League Baseball" (MLB).  I suspect
(based on other HP instruments) that the fan is necessary to keep
the power transformer from overheating due to its own core loss.
And the power transformer is connected to the AC line at all times,
to save the hassle of a line level on/off switch, with all the
safety problems.  Fans running 24/7 are well known not to last for
more than a year or so.

And yes, vacuum fluorescents are famous for wearing out.  My N8LP
digital vector wattmeter puts the VF display to sleep after a
few minutes to extend the life.

Add on prescalers using dynamic flip flops are fairly fussy about
about broadband noise floor, etc.

This reminds me of a humorous anecdote.  I was in a meeting with
the designer of the MLB FPGA and Len Cutler.  The MLB engineer
offered his opinion about some technical issue, after which
he appended it with a self-deprecating remark along the lines
of "of course I've only been here for 30 years".  As if on
cue, Len angrily fired back with "well, I've been here 40 years".
This was classic Len behavior.  I kind of felt bad for the
MLB engineer.

Rick N6RK


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Hi The power supply in the 5313x counters was made by who knows who ( = HP bought it from the low bidder). They are very much the weak point in the device. Will yours fail tomorrow? Who knows ….. The “cheap answer” to the replacement issue is to buy a 53181. They are not a popular item. They don’t fetch much compared to the other counters in the series. They *do* share the same power supply. We swapped a *lot* of supplies between the 181 and 131/132 counters. (as in dozens …). Bob > On Apr 29, 2023, at 3:21 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > > > On 4/27/2023 4:34 PM, Brett Fanoga via time-nuts wrote: > >> equipment leasing company for around $1100 US. I have only had one problem with mine, the fan failed. It runs all the time, if the unit is plugged in to power – even if the unit is off on the power switch. Called HP and they do not sell the fan, they want to sell you the whole power supply which they wanted a small fortune for. But, I found Digi-Key carried the exact fan, and I bought 2 units for just under $50 US about 10 years ago. And now if I am not using the counter, I unplug it. > > I worked for the HP Santa Clara Division during the era of these instruments, which were code named "Major League Baseball" (MLB). I suspect > (based on other HP instruments) that the fan is necessary to keep > the power transformer from overheating due to its own core loss. > And the power transformer is connected to the AC line at all times, > to save the hassle of a line level on/off switch, with all the > safety problems. Fans running 24/7 are well known not to last for > more than a year or so. > > And yes, vacuum fluorescents are famous for wearing out. My N8LP > digital vector wattmeter puts the VF display to sleep after a > few minutes to extend the life. > > Add on prescalers using dynamic flip flops are fairly fussy about > about broadband noise floor, etc. > > This reminds me of a humorous anecdote. I was in a meeting with > the designer of the MLB FPGA and Len Cutler. The MLB engineer > offered his opinion about some technical issue, after which > he appended it with a self-deprecating remark along the lines > of "of course I've only been here for 30 years". As if on > cue, Len angrily fired back with "well, I've been here 40 years". > This was classic Len behavior. I kind of felt bad for the > MLB engineer. > > Rick N6RK > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com
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Michael Wouters
Sun, Apr 30, 2023 9:51 PM

Curious. We had about eight 5313x counters operating until a few years ago.
These were in logging systems and cal setups, where they were never powered
off, some for 20+ years. There were no power supply failures.

Cheers
Michael

On Mon, 1 May 2023 at 4:44 am, Bob Camp via time-nuts <
time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote:

Hi

The power supply in the 5313x counters was made by who knows who
( = HP bought it from the low bidder). They are very much the weak point
in the device. Will yours fail tomorrow? Who knows …..

The “cheap answer” to the replacement issue is to buy a 53181. They are
not a popular item. They don’t fetch much compared to the other counters
in the series. They do share the same power supply. We  swapped a
lot of supplies between the 181 and 131/132 counters. (as in dozens …).

Bob

On Apr 29, 2023, at 3:21 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist via time-nuts <

On 4/27/2023 4:34 PM, Brett Fanoga via time-nuts wrote:

equipment leasing company for around $1100 US.  I have only had one

problem with mine, the fan failed.  It runs all the time, if the unit is
plugged in to power – even if the unit is off on the power switch. Called
HP and they do not sell the fan, they want to sell you the whole power
supply which they wanted a small fortune for.  But, I found Digi-Key
carried the exact fan, and I bought 2 units for just under $50 US about 10
years ago.  And now if I am not using the counter,  I unplug it.

I worked for the HP Santa Clara Division during the era of these

instruments, which were code named "Major League Baseball" (MLB).  I suspect

(based on other HP instruments) that the fan is necessary to keep
the power transformer from overheating due to its own core loss.
And the power transformer is connected to the AC line at all times,
to save the hassle of a line level on/off switch, with all the
safety problems.  Fans running 24/7 are well known not to last for
more than a year or so.

And yes, vacuum fluorescents are famous for wearing out.  My N8LP
digital vector wattmeter puts the VF display to sleep after a
few minutes to extend the life.

Add on prescalers using dynamic flip flops are fairly fussy about
about broadband noise floor, etc.

This reminds me of a humorous anecdote.  I was in a meeting with
the designer of the MLB FPGA and Len Cutler.  The MLB engineer
offered his opinion about some technical issue, after which
he appended it with a self-deprecating remark along the lines
of "of course I've only been here for 30 years".  As if on
cue, Len angrily fired back with "well, I've been here 40 years".
This was classic Len behavior.  I kind of felt bad for the
MLB engineer.

Rick N6RK


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Curious. We had about eight 5313x counters operating until a few years ago. These were in logging systems and cal setups, where they were never powered off, some for 20+ years. There were no power supply failures. Cheers Michael On Mon, 1 May 2023 at 4:44 am, Bob Camp via time-nuts < time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > Hi > > The power supply in the 5313x counters was made by who knows who > ( = HP bought it from the low bidder). They are very much the weak point > in the device. Will yours fail tomorrow? Who knows ….. > > The “cheap answer” to the replacement issue is to buy a 53181. They are > not a popular item. They don’t fetch much compared to the other counters > in the series. They *do* share the same power supply. We swapped a > *lot* of supplies between the 181 and 131/132 counters. (as in dozens …). > > Bob > > > On Apr 29, 2023, at 3:21 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist via time-nuts < > time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 4/27/2023 4:34 PM, Brett Fanoga via time-nuts wrote: > > > >> equipment leasing company for around $1100 US. I have only had one > problem with mine, the fan failed. It runs all the time, if the unit is > plugged in to power – even if the unit is off on the power switch. Called > HP and they do not sell the fan, they want to sell you the whole power > supply which they wanted a small fortune for. But, I found Digi-Key > carried the exact fan, and I bought 2 units for just under $50 US about 10 > years ago. And now if I am not using the counter, I unplug it. > > > > I worked for the HP Santa Clara Division during the era of these > instruments, which were code named "Major League Baseball" (MLB). I suspect > > (based on other HP instruments) that the fan is necessary to keep > > the power transformer from overheating due to its own core loss. > > And the power transformer is connected to the AC line at all times, > > to save the hassle of a line level on/off switch, with all the > > safety problems. Fans running 24/7 are well known not to last for > > more than a year or so. > > > > And yes, vacuum fluorescents are famous for wearing out. My N8LP > > digital vector wattmeter puts the VF display to sleep after a > > few minutes to extend the life. > > > > Add on prescalers using dynamic flip flops are fairly fussy about > > about broadband noise floor, etc. > > > > This reminds me of a humorous anecdote. I was in a meeting with > > the designer of the MLB FPGA and Len Cutler. The MLB engineer > > offered his opinion about some technical issue, after which > > he appended it with a self-deprecating remark along the lines > > of "of course I've only been here for 30 years". As if on > > cue, Len angrily fired back with "well, I've been here 40 years". > > This was classic Len behavior. I kind of felt bad for the > > MLB engineer. > > > > Rick N6RK > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com
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Richard (Rick) Karlquist
Mon, May 1, 2023 1:13 PM

Not to argue with you, but it seems inconceivable that any fan would
last 20 years, going 24/7.  Maybe the fans quit, and the instruments
continued to run w/o them.  Might be OK if in a cool room.

73
Rick N6RK

On 4/30/2023 2:51 PM, Michael Wouters via time-nuts wrote:

Curious. We had about eight 5313x counters operating until a few years ago.
These were in logging systems and cal setups, where they were never powered
off, some for 20+ years. There were no power supply failures.

Cheers
Michael

Not to argue with you, but it seems inconceivable that any fan would last 20 years, going 24/7. Maybe the fans quit, and the instruments continued to run w/o them. Might be OK if in a cool room. 73 Rick N6RK On 4/30/2023 2:51 PM, Michael Wouters via time-nuts wrote: > Curious. We had about eight 5313x counters operating until a few years ago. > These were in logging systems and cal setups, where they were never powered > off, some for 20+ years. There were no power supply failures. > > Cheers > Michael > >
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Bob Camp
Mon, May 1, 2023 3:10 PM

Hi

We ran them in logging systems and on benches. I’d guess the
group was in the 100+ range. At the point the supplies really became
an issue, most of them were well over 20 years old.

If I’d just kept my mouth shut, I could have pulled the “dead ones” out
of the pile and hauled them home … (along with the scrap 181’s ).
Some folks just can’t keep from opening they mouth :(

Since the supplies came from an outside source, it is very unclear
which supply went into this or that counter. It is a pretty good bet that
the counters came out of a fairly narrow range of production dates.

Bob

On Apr 30, 2023, at 5:51 PM, Michael Wouters via time-nuts time-nuts@lists.febo.com wrote:

Curious. We had about eight 5313x counters operating until a few years ago.
These were in logging systems and cal setups, where they were never powered
off, some for 20+ years. There were no power supply failures.

Cheers
Michael

On Mon, 1 May 2023 at 4:44 am, Bob Camp via time-nuts <
time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote:

Hi

The power supply in the 5313x counters was made by who knows who
( = HP bought it from the low bidder). They are very much the weak point
in the device. Will yours fail tomorrow? Who knows …..

The “cheap answer” to the replacement issue is to buy a 53181. They are
not a popular item. They don’t fetch much compared to the other counters
in the series. They do share the same power supply. We  swapped a
lot of supplies between the 181 and 131/132 counters. (as in dozens …).

Bob

On Apr 29, 2023, at 3:21 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist via time-nuts <

On 4/27/2023 4:34 PM, Brett Fanoga via time-nuts wrote:

equipment leasing company for around $1100 US.  I have only had one

problem with mine, the fan failed.  It runs all the time, if the unit is
plugged in to power – even if the unit is off on the power switch. Called
HP and they do not sell the fan, they want to sell you the whole power
supply which they wanted a small fortune for.  But, I found Digi-Key
carried the exact fan, and I bought 2 units for just under $50 US about 10
years ago.  And now if I am not using the counter,  I unplug it.

I worked for the HP Santa Clara Division during the era of these

instruments, which were code named "Major League Baseball" (MLB).  I suspect

(based on other HP instruments) that the fan is necessary to keep
the power transformer from overheating due to its own core loss.
And the power transformer is connected to the AC line at all times,
to save the hassle of a line level on/off switch, with all the
safety problems.  Fans running 24/7 are well known not to last for
more than a year or so.

And yes, vacuum fluorescents are famous for wearing out.  My N8LP
digital vector wattmeter puts the VF display to sleep after a
few minutes to extend the life.

Add on prescalers using dynamic flip flops are fairly fussy about
about broadband noise floor, etc.

This reminds me of a humorous anecdote.  I was in a meeting with
the designer of the MLB FPGA and Len Cutler.  The MLB engineer
offered his opinion about some technical issue, after which
he appended it with a self-deprecating remark along the lines
of "of course I've only been here for 30 years".  As if on
cue, Len angrily fired back with "well, I've been here 40 years".
This was classic Len behavior.  I kind of felt bad for the
MLB engineer.

Rick N6RK


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Hi We ran them in logging systems and on benches. I’d guess the group was in the 100+ range. At the point the supplies really became an issue, most of them were well over 20 years old. If I’d just kept my mouth shut, I could have pulled the “dead ones” out of the pile and hauled them home … (along with the scrap 181’s ). Some folks just can’t keep from opening they mouth :( Since the supplies came from an outside source, it is very unclear which supply went into this or that counter. It is a pretty good bet that the counters came out of a fairly narrow range of production dates. Bob > On Apr 30, 2023, at 5:51 PM, Michael Wouters via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > Curious. We had about eight 5313x counters operating until a few years ago. > These were in logging systems and cal setups, where they were never powered > off, some for 20+ years. There were no power supply failures. > > Cheers > Michael > > > On Mon, 1 May 2023 at 4:44 am, Bob Camp via time-nuts < > time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > >> Hi >> >> The power supply in the 5313x counters was made by who knows who >> ( = HP bought it from the low bidder). They are very much the weak point >> in the device. Will yours fail tomorrow? Who knows ….. >> >> The “cheap answer” to the replacement issue is to buy a 53181. They are >> not a popular item. They don’t fetch much compared to the other counters >> in the series. They *do* share the same power supply. We swapped a >> *lot* of supplies between the 181 and 131/132 counters. (as in dozens …). >> >> Bob >> >>> On Apr 29, 2023, at 3:21 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist via time-nuts < >> time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 4/27/2023 4:34 PM, Brett Fanoga via time-nuts wrote: >>> >>>> equipment leasing company for around $1100 US. I have only had one >> problem with mine, the fan failed. It runs all the time, if the unit is >> plugged in to power – even if the unit is off on the power switch. Called >> HP and they do not sell the fan, they want to sell you the whole power >> supply which they wanted a small fortune for. But, I found Digi-Key >> carried the exact fan, and I bought 2 units for just under $50 US about 10 >> years ago. And now if I am not using the counter, I unplug it. >>> >>> I worked for the HP Santa Clara Division during the era of these >> instruments, which were code named "Major League Baseball" (MLB). I suspect >>> (based on other HP instruments) that the fan is necessary to keep >>> the power transformer from overheating due to its own core loss. >>> And the power transformer is connected to the AC line at all times, >>> to save the hassle of a line level on/off switch, with all the >>> safety problems. Fans running 24/7 are well known not to last for >>> more than a year or so. >>> >>> And yes, vacuum fluorescents are famous for wearing out. My N8LP >>> digital vector wattmeter puts the VF display to sleep after a >>> few minutes to extend the life. >>> >>> Add on prescalers using dynamic flip flops are fairly fussy about >>> about broadband noise floor, etc. >>> >>> This reminds me of a humorous anecdote. I was in a meeting with >>> the designer of the MLB FPGA and Len Cutler. The MLB engineer >>> offered his opinion about some technical issue, after which >>> he appended it with a self-deprecating remark along the lines >>> of "of course I've only been here for 30 years". As if on >>> cue, Len angrily fired back with "well, I've been here 40 years". >>> This was classic Len behavior. I kind of felt bad for the >>> MLB engineer. >>> >>> Rick N6RK >>> _______________________________________________ >>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com >>> To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com >> To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com
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Bob Camp
Tue, May 2, 2023 2:49 AM

Hi

Some, but not all, of the counters we saw die also had fan issues. I agree that once
the fan goes, the power supply probably is running on borrowed time. Cleaning the
fans and checking their function was part of the yearly “calibration” of the counters.
I have no idea how may fans got replaced as part of that process.

Bob

On May 1, 2023, at 9:13 AM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist via time-nuts time-nuts@lists.febo.com wrote:

Not to argue with you, but it seems inconceivable that any fan would
last 20 years, going 24/7.  Maybe the fans quit, and the instruments
continued to run w/o them.  Might be OK if in a cool room.

73
Rick N6RK

On 4/30/2023 2:51 PM, Michael Wouters via time-nuts wrote:

Curious. We had about eight 5313x counters operating until a few years ago.
These were in logging systems and cal setups, where they were never powered
off, some for 20+ years. There were no power supply failures.
Cheers
Michael


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Hi Some, but not all, of the counters we saw die also had fan issues. I agree that once the fan goes, the power supply probably is running on borrowed time. Cleaning the fans and checking their function was part of the yearly “calibration” of the counters. I have no idea how may fans got replaced as part of that process. Bob > On May 1, 2023, at 9:13 AM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist via time-nuts <time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > Not to argue with you, but it seems inconceivable that any fan would > last 20 years, going 24/7. Maybe the fans quit, and the instruments > continued to run w/o them. Might be OK if in a cool room. > > 73 > Rick N6RK > > On 4/30/2023 2:51 PM, Michael Wouters via time-nuts wrote: >> Curious. We had about eight 5313x counters operating until a few years ago. >> These were in logging systems and cal setups, where they were never powered >> off, some for 20+ years. There were no power supply failures. >> Cheers >> Michael > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-leave@lists.febo.com