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Richard P

Fri, Feb 12, 2016 9:12 PM

If Permanon has Silicon (element 14) it may be in the form of silicone. Not
good if you ever hope to LPU paint your boat. Regardless if the company
says it will wash off, it is a big risk in my opinion. I hope someone else
will be the guinea pig and report back to the list.

Richard

If Permanon has Silicon (element 14) it may be in the form of silicone. Not good if you ever hope to LPU paint your boat. Regardless if the company says it will wash off, it is a big risk in my opinion. I hope someone else will be the guinea pig and report back to the list. Richard

RG

Rich Gano

Fri, Feb 12, 2016 10:31 PM

OK, let's talk about silicon (the element) and silicone (the polymer with an
"e" on the end). Here are the ingredients of Permanon.

Trimethylglycin
Copolymer
Buthoxyethanol
Silicium (Si14)
Perfumes
Water

Now I've got a PHd in chemistry sitting about three feet from me (brother
Jim), and I have asked him if any of this gobbledygook spells silicone (with
the "e' on the end), the nasty synthetic polymer composition which makes it
impossible to coat the surface of a boat with anything else. No it does
not.

The name Silicium is derived from silica > Latin silex for flint (SiO2), a
hard stone. The Latin name silicium was adopted to conform with the -ium
ending of most elements. The suffix -on in English was added because of its
resemblance to Carbon. So silicium is silicon, and silicon is silicium.
Tomato, tomato. Latin versus English.

Silicium/silicon is not a polymer; it's just an element, the second most
prevalent (after oxygen) element in Earth's crust. Company literature says
it is removable by high Ph solutions like Simple Green Extreme. You cannot
do that with silicone. In conversation with a Permanon rep, I learned it is
not an issue to remove Permanon and paint where it was. The
silicium/silicon bonds electrostatically not mechanically, like silicone
(with an "e") does.

So is it time to put this talk of silicone (yes, it contains
silicium/silicon)-like behavior of Permanon to bed? It's just an
unfortunate similarity in names.

I also looked up RejeX and rejected it as a contender because it apparently
must be rag-applied and buffed, the very practices I am trying to avoid by
using Permanon. I think I'd be applying Permanon a lot closer to a schedule
designed to preserve the surface under it than a more labor intensive
compound like RejeX.

We've also been studying RainX just for kicks. It is a silicone (with an
"e") polymer and chemically bonds, and you might want to keep it off your
surrounding surfaces when you apply to boat windows if you might be
attempting to repaint them any time soon.

Rich Gano
FROLIC 2005 Mainship 30 Pilot II
Panama City, FL

OK, let's talk about silicon (the element) and silicone (the polymer with an "e" on the end). Here are the ingredients of Permanon. Trimethylglycin Copolymer Buthoxyethanol Silicium (Si14) Perfumes Water Now I've got a PHd in chemistry sitting about three feet from me (brother Jim), and I have asked him if any of this gobbledygook spells silicone (with the "e' on the end), the nasty synthetic polymer composition which makes it impossible to coat the surface of a boat with anything else. No it does not. The name Silicium is derived from silica > Latin silex for flint (SiO2), a hard stone. The Latin name silicium was adopted to conform with the -ium ending of most elements. The suffix -on in English was added because of its resemblance to Carbon. So silicium is silicon, and silicon is silicium. Tomato, tomato. Latin versus English. Silicium/silicon is not a polymer; it's just an element, the second most prevalent (after oxygen) element in Earth's crust. Company literature says it is removable by high Ph solutions like Simple Green Extreme. You cannot do that with silicone. In conversation with a Permanon rep, I learned it is not an issue to remove Permanon and paint where it was. The silicium/silicon bonds electrostatically not mechanically, like silicone (with an "e") does. So is it time to put this talk of silicone (yes, it contains silicium/silicon)-like behavior of Permanon to bed? It's just an unfortunate similarity in names. I also looked up RejeX and rejected it as a contender because it apparently must be rag-applied and buffed, the very practices I am trying to avoid by using Permanon. I think I'd be applying Permanon a lot closer to a schedule designed to preserve the surface under it than a more labor intensive compound like RejeX. We've also been studying RainX just for kicks. It is a silicone (with an "e") polymer and chemically bonds, and you might want to keep it off your surrounding surfaces when you apply to boat windows if you might be attempting to repaint them any time soon. Rich Gano FROLIC 2005 Mainship 30 Pilot II Panama City, FL

JP

joseph.pica@gmail.com

Fri, Feb 12, 2016 11:20 PM

Thank You Rich and Bro Jim for clarifying this issue. Uh, Still don't want you to wake me!

Joe Pica
M/V Carolyn Ann GH N-37
http://carolynann-n37.blogspot.com/
MTOA#3813, AGLCA #5485 Platinum

On Feb 12, 2016, at 5:31 PM, Rich Gano via Trawlers-and-Trawlering trawlers@lists.trawlering.com wrote: