Payment is possible with Paypal or credit card.

On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 4:06 PM,  lists@lazygranch.com wrote:

This is some of the communication between me and Agilent on eBay. I
think it is clear Agilent wanted to use Paypal, and I did not. It was
Agilent who said I should split the payment into two - one of $10,000
and the other of $7,736

Credit cards were not mentioned, but this would have been above the
limit of my credit card limit anyway.

I believe in the UK there is some protection with debit cards,
although credit cards are certainly safer.

Dave

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From: drkirkby
To: agilentused
Subject: Re: Request to change an order: drkirkby sent a message about
Agilent CertiPrime N9923A FieldFox Handheld RF Vector Network Analyzer
6GHz #170876934127
Sent Date: Sep-03-12 05:28:25 PDT

Dear agilentused,

Hi,
OK, I agree with you, and accept the deal of the N9923A with ALL
options fitted at $14,780 + 20% sales TAX, bringing this to a total of
$17,736.

However, this is over the limit I can pay via Paypal, which is $10,000.

I think it would be better if you sent me the bank details so I can do
a wire transfer, but you will need to give me some refernece number so
you can tie up the payment at your end.

If not, how else do you suggest I pay you?

Dave

• drkirkby

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Hi Dave,

thanks for your understanding.
We would prefer the handling on Paypal. One possibility, just issue
one payment of $10000 and one of $7736. Would that work for you?

Regards,
Julian

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From: drkirkby
To: agilentused
Subject: Re: Request to change an order: drkirkby sent a message about
Agilent CertiPrime N9923A FieldFox Handheld RF Vector Network Analyzer
6GHz #170876934127
Sent Date: Sep-04-12 04:47:07 PDT

Dear agilentused,

Hi Julian,

Do you regularly take Paypal in multiple payments and find it is OK? I
have read a few stories on the internet about Paypal can get quite
difficult over large payments - freezing peoples Paypal accounts,
holding their money, and it taking ages to sort out. That's what
concerns me - especially if the $10000 goes through, but I can't get
the rest to you. It could be a bit tricky.

But I know you sell expensive stuff on eBay, so if you have a lot of
experience with large sums, I'll try Paypal.

Dave

• drkirkby
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On 17 November 2012 16:40, Pete Lancashire pete@petelancashire.com wrote:

Odd.

I would have expected anybody's PayPal limit would be lower than the
associated credit card limit.

Logically, one should be therefore able to get a PayPal account without a
credit card,.

-John

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You can get a Paypal account without a credit card. I think all you
need is a bank account.

In fact, every time I try to buy something with Paypal, it defaults to
taking the money from my bank account, and every time I need to change
it to take it from my credit card.

I appear to have a $10,000 limit on my Paypal account, but at
Agilent's request, I split the transaction into two. That money came
direct from my current account.

Dave

On 17 November 2012 22:06, J. Forster jfor@quikus.com wrote:

Perhaps. That opens the possibility of linking a PayPal account to a bank
account, then zeroing the balance. Somehow, I doubt that actually works.

-John

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On 11/17/2012 4:37 PM, J. Forster wrote:

Then you pay the overdraft charge...

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Not if you just walk into a bank and open an account with $100 cash.

My point is not fraud, but that PayPal is not safe.

-John

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That works just fine.  I have two Paypal accounts, one tied to my regular bank
account which I use for purchases, and another tied to a small account at a
local bank (where I keep almost nothing) which I use for selling.  As soon as
money goes into that account I use an ATM to withdraw cash, which makes it
harder for Paypal to track even if that bank gave them records as there is no
direct link to my other account.  I did add a credit card to my main Paypal
account but I find that useful at times.

Peter

On 11/17/2012 5:37 PM, J. Forster wrote:

I'm wondering if agilentused is really part of the Agilent corp or
whatever it's called? or an "independent" company entirely? My only and
last $.02!
Don L
J. Forster

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On 17 November 2012 23:37, Don Latham djl@montana.com wrote:

It is Agilent - at least to the extent I can determine. Some reported
on another mailing list that when calling Agilent, they had been
advised to look on eBay for CertiPrime items from the seller
"agilentused"

All emails after the sales were from the UK offices of Agilent. Any
emails sent to contactcenter_uk@agilent.com about this are answered.
So as far as I'm concerned, this is Agilent.

What annoys me is that it is Agilent who have supplied me faulty
goods. They acknowledge the VNA has a hardware fault. They acknowledge
several of the firmware bugs I reported are bugs.

They have supplied me a product which is not fit for purpose, yet I
lose a fairly large amount of money because of this. That does not
seem very fair.

Dave

As I said, try calling Executive Complaints at the US HQ. LD calls are
cheap these days. You have nothing to lose, IMO.

-John

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On Nov 17, 2012, at 5:29 PM, David Kirkby david.kirkby@onetel.net wrote:

Also to the extent that I could determine.

My email and phone calls went to Germany, perhaps because I was buying an oscilloscope rather than a VNA.

agilentused also wanted me to use PayPal. I used two transactions. The first for the item and the second for software options. I would have also preferred credit card for the cash back, but agilentused wanted PayPal.

Kevin

If agilentused is selling stuff on eBay, might not the PayPal be an eBay
thing, rather than an Agilent thing?

Fer sure, eBay really, really pushes PayPal because they get an additional
cut of the transaction.

-John

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On Nov 17, 2012, at 4:37 PM, Don Latham djl@montana.com wrote:

I reviewed my email archive. Emails regarding my purchase from "agilentused" came from, and went to, the SMTP address of "ebay@agilent.com".

It took almost 12 weeks to get my scope with the software options I ordered. In compensation for the delay, ebay@agilent.com sent me two additional software license keys via email.

Kevin

On 18 November 2012 01:02, J. Forster jfor@quikus.com wrote:

But I can imagine I would be a very long time on a phone trying to get
someone able to deal with it. I don't get a particulary good rate on
international calls here.

Dave.

On 18 November 2012 01:04, Kevin Rosenberg kevin@rosenberg.net wrote:

I recently bought another VNA (HP 8720D) from a test equipent dealer
in the USA. That was $16000. The dealer would accept wire, Paypal or
credit card, but wanted to add a surcharge for both Paypal and credit
card. It was intersting he wanted less for Paypal than he did for a
credit card.

I was initiallly a bit worried about wiring the money, but I'd
satisfied myself he was a legit dealer when I spoke to a test
equipment dealer in the UK, who confirmed the price I got was very
good, and the dealer was reputable. So I wired the money, and saved
myself a few percent. That transaction was relatively painless.

I think if I buy anything else from "agilentused", I'll just phone
Agilent UK and ask to pay for it that way. A person I spoke to in
Agilent said that would be fine.

Dave.

I have been waiting for two N1922A sensors for a couple months now from Agilentused the new eBay site. They have already offered a substantial discount on my next purchase. And their prices were already very good. The only concern is the delay has put the transaction beyond the point the eBay or PayPal will officially help out if there is a problem.
That said I am sure that Agilent will resolve any problem to my satisfaction.  Agilent used explained they are having some delays as they add products to the new system that should be resolved soon. My only concern is that because of the delay they do not rush when refurbishing the sensors. I would hate to start the wait all over again. I hope they work the delays out, it seems to be the cheapest source for many current Agilent products. For the others that have had problems, I would explain to Agilent that you have acted in good faith and expect a full refund or a product that performs as new. Agilent may not be aware that PayPal and eBay did not return fees because of their delays.

Thomas Knox

You don't ask, you don't get.

And, is 10 UKP really significant compared to what you've spent or lost?

Get to them, succinctly summarize, get a name, and then switch to email.

YMMV,

-John

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Guys, i did not know this was a PayPal discussion group.

Can we move on please?

Thx Said

Sent From iPhone

On Nov 17, 2012, at 15:04, "J. Forster" jfor@quikus.com wrote: