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Mark Sims
Thu, Jul 17, 2008 10:38 AM

All VFD displays (and EL and CCFL LCD backlights) have finite lifetimes.  Very few will last over 40,000 hours (5 years).  Many start to noticeably degrade after one year.  Many EL backlights have lifetimes of less than 5000 hours (ever see a Tektronix 1502/1503B/C TDR with a good backlight?)

VFD displays have two main wearout mechanisms...  phosphor degradation and cathode (filament) degradation.  These displays are essentially the same as CRTs and old fashioned vacuum tubes.  They rely on a stream of electrons from a heated filament to hit a phosphor screen.  Over time the filament and the phosphor degrade.

VFD displays (and EL backlights) typically have a rapid initial drop in brightness (25 percent over the first 100 hours is not uncommon) followed by a slow, fairly linear, drop  in brightness.  Most spec the lifetime of the device at 50% drop in brightness.

I repair quite a few old digital scales from Sartorius and Mettler that use VFD displays.  Many of these units are discarded because the displays have become so dim that they are unreadable (and the only source of replacements is another balance).  Most of these balances keep the electronics on continuously to keep the units thermally stabilized.  The power switch just turns the display on or off.  Unfortunately some of the balances just blank the display.  They leave the VFD filament energized and this wears out the display about as fast as keeping it lit.


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All VFD displays (and EL and CCFL LCD backlights) have finite lifetimes. Very few will last over 40,000 hours (5 years). Many start to noticeably degrade after one year. Many EL backlights have lifetimes of less than 5000 hours (ever see a Tektronix 1502/1503B/C TDR with a good backlight?) VFD displays have two main wearout mechanisms... phosphor degradation and cathode (filament) degradation. These displays are essentially the same as CRTs and old fashioned vacuum tubes. They rely on a stream of electrons from a heated filament to hit a phosphor screen. Over time the filament and the phosphor degrade. VFD displays (and EL backlights) typically have a rapid initial drop in brightness (25 percent over the first 100 hours is not uncommon) followed by a slow, fairly linear, drop in brightness. Most spec the lifetime of the device at 50% drop in brightness. I repair quite a few old digital scales from Sartorius and Mettler that use VFD displays. Many of these units are discarded because the displays have become so dim that they are unreadable (and the only source of replacements is another balance). Most of these balances keep the electronics on continuously to keep the units thermally stabilized. The power switch just turns the display on or off. Unfortunately some of the balances just blank the display. They leave the VFD filament energized and this wears out the display about as fast as keeping it lit. ---------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_mobile_072008
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Alberto di Bene
Thu, Jul 17, 2008 1:47 PM

What is the power splitter glued on some of the Thunderbolt units meant for ?
Apparently it is good up to 500 MHz, so it can't be used for the signal coming from the antenna.
Maybe it was just part of complete product which the Thunderbolt was part of.
Just curious....

73  Alberto  I2PHD

What is the power splitter glued on some of the Thunderbolt units meant for ? Apparently it is good up to 500 MHz, so it can't be used for the signal coming from the antenna. Maybe it was just part of complete product which the Thunderbolt was part of. Just curious.... 73 Alberto I2PHD
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Tom Van Baak
Thu, Jul 17, 2008 4:31 PM

What is the power splitter glued on some of the Thunderbolt units meant for ?
Apparently it is good up to 500 MHz, so it can't be used for the signal coming from the antenna.
Maybe it was just part of complete product which the Thunderbolt was part of.
Just curious....

73  Alberto  I2PHD

It was used with the 10 MHz output; either to split the output
or to combine with a phased locked 10 MHz backup source
(we've seen this on other telecom frequency references).

Some of the Thunderbolts in the group buy had the splitter
removed (those with screws from the outside). Others came
with splitters screwed from the inside and it was too much
bother to remove the splitter from each unit before shipment.
You can remove the thing yourself by opening up the case.

/tvb

> What is the power splitter glued on some of the Thunderbolt units meant for ? > Apparently it is good up to 500 MHz, so it can't be used for the signal coming from the antenna. > Maybe it was just part of complete product which the Thunderbolt was part of. > Just curious.... > > 73 Alberto I2PHD It was used with the 10 MHz output; either to split the output or to combine with a phased locked 10 MHz backup source (we've seen this on other telecom frequency references). Some of the Thunderbolts in the group buy had the splitter removed (those with screws from the outside). Others came with splitters screwed from the inside and it was too much bother to remove the splitter from each unit before shipment. You can remove the thing yourself by opening up the case. /tvb
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David Ackrill
Thu, Jul 17, 2008 5:10 PM

Tom Van Baak wrote:

It was used with the 10 MHz output; either to split the output
or to combine with a phased locked 10 MHz backup source
(we've seen this on other telecom frequency references).

Sounds like a nice little 'freebe' for some. :-)

I can understand that it would be better to remove it to keep P&P costs
under control though.

Dave (G0DJA)

Tom Van Baak wrote: > > It was used with the 10 MHz output; either to split the output > or to combine with a phased locked 10 MHz backup source > (we've seen this on other telecom frequency references). Sounds like a nice little 'freebe' for some. :-) I can understand that it would be better to remove it to keep P&P costs under control though. Dave (G0DJA)