Hello to the group. Had sometime to hook up the chronverter wwvb simulator. Numbers of details. The software and operation are clear. Everything is easy to setup. Bad news. Though the system when set to wwvb puts out a signal on 60Khz its on off keying. WWVBs signal is reduced carrier by some 14db. As such any of the WWVB clocks of quality/phase tracking do not lock and do not decode. I have not tried the cheap clocks yet that I suspect will work. The actual carrier out is a healthy 0 dbm. Some issues with commands and the system seeming to lock up requiring power cycles. With respect to the carrier. The chronverter is elegant in the fact that it can generate the 60 KHz frequency and other LF signals. But I will need to add an external 6 MHz oscillator divider and modulator if I want to use it with the good receivers. Adds power and complexity. Regards Paul WB8TSL

Have you tried to contact the manufacturer? It sounds like something that should be easy to fix and that he would want to fix. Didier KO4BB On Thu, Aug 23, 2018, 8:55 PM paul swed <paulswedb@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello to the group. > Had sometime to hook up the chronverter wwvb simulator. > Numbers of details. > The software and operation are clear. > Everything is easy to setup. > Bad news. > Though the system when set to wwvb puts out a signal on 60Khz its on off > keying. > WWVBs signal is reduced carrier by some 14db. > As such any of the WWVB clocks of quality/phase tracking do not lock and do > not decode. > I have not tried the cheap clocks yet that I suspect will work. > The actual carrier out is a healthy 0 dbm. > > Some issues with commands and the system seeming to lock up requiring power > cycles. > > With respect to the carrier. The chronverter is elegant in the fact that it > can generate the 60 KHz frequency and other LF signals. But I will need to > add an external 6 MHz oscillator divider and modulator if I want to use it > with the good receivers. > Adds power and complexity. > Regards > Paul > WB8TSL > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there. >

Is there a schematic published for the Chronverter? I agree with Didier that the OOK issue *ought *to be pretty easy to fix, and I'd like to look into that myself. Dana On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 9:00 PM Didier Juges <shalimr9@gmail.com> wrote: > Have you tried to contact the manufacturer? It sounds like something that > should be easy to fix and that he would want to fix. > > Didier KO4BB > > On Thu, Aug 23, 2018, 8:55 PM paul swed <paulswedb@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hello to the group. > > Had sometime to hook up the chronverter wwvb simulator. > > Numbers of details. > > The software and operation are clear. > > Everything is easy to setup. > > Bad news. > > Though the system when set to wwvb puts out a signal on 60Khz its on off > > keying. > > WWVBs signal is reduced carrier by some 14db. > > As such any of the WWVB clocks of quality/phase tracking do not lock and > do > > not decode. > > I have not tried the cheap clocks yet that I suspect will work. > > The actual carrier out is a healthy 0 dbm. > > > > Some issues with commands and the system seeming to lock up requiring > power > > cycles. > > > > With respect to the carrier. The chronverter is elegant in the fact that > it > > can generate the 60 KHz frequency and other LF signals. But I will need > to > > add an external 6 MHz oscillator divider and modulator if I want to use > it > > with the good receivers. > > Adds power and complexity. > > Regards > > Paul > > WB8TSL > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to > > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > > and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there. >

Currently, getting Daylight Savings Time status is easy using WWV or WWVB since they have bits in the protocol marking status for the US, and in the case of WWVB, impending change. If both the HF and LF signals go away due to the proposed budget cuts, what is the next simplest way (for something like a microprocessor based clock) to get DST information? Neither NTP or GPS provide that information. I have seen some websites with DST information, but decoding HTTP seems a daunting task for a microprocessor clock. --- Graham ==

Thank you for the responses. I have not reached out to him yet. Want to see if there are other issues and I can easily add an external 60 KHz source and modulator right now to verify the other functionality. There is no schematic nor source code its a 8 pin uproc chip and as such has almost no IO. I can easily see a very simple fix but needs a change to the code behavior. (The chip it self can not do the modulation function. Thats why its OOK). But if the carrier were left on there is a LED that blinks to the time code sequence and that can drive a 1 transistor or diode modulator. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 3:14 AM, Dana Whitlow <k8yumdoober@gmail.com> wrote: > Is there a schematic published for the Chronverter? I agree with Didier > that the > OOK issue *ought *to be pretty easy to fix, and I'd like to look into that > myself. > > Dana > > > On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 9:00 PM Didier Juges <shalimr9@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Have you tried to contact the manufacturer? It sounds like something that > > should be easy to fix and that he would want to fix. > > > > Didier KO4BB > > > > On Thu, Aug 23, 2018, 8:55 PM paul swed <paulswedb@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Hello to the group. > > > Had sometime to hook up the chronverter wwvb simulator. > > > Numbers of details. > > > The software and operation are clear. > > > Everything is easy to setup. > > > Bad news. > > > Though the system when set to wwvb puts out a signal on 60Khz its on > off > > > keying. > > > WWVBs signal is reduced carrier by some 14db. > > > As such any of the WWVB clocks of quality/phase tracking do not lock > and > > do > > > not decode. > > > I have not tried the cheap clocks yet that I suspect will work. > > > The actual carrier out is a healthy 0 dbm. > > > > > > Some issues with commands and the system seeming to lock up requiring > > power > > > cycles. > > > > > > With respect to the carrier. The chronverter is elegant in the fact > that > > it > > > can generate the 60 KHz frequency and other LF signals. But I will need > > to > > > add an external 6 MHz oscillator divider and modulator if I want to use > > it > > > with the good receivers. > > > Adds power and complexity. > > > Regards > > > Paul > > > WB8TSL > > > _______________________________________________ > > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > > > To unsubscribe, go to > > > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to > > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > > and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/ > listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there. >

Chronverter It allows you to set the rules and even has built in rules for various regions. Hope that helps see my other post about my experiance so far. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 9:20 AM, Graham / KE9H <ke9h.graham@gmail.com> wrote: > Currently, getting Daylight Savings Time status is easy using WWV or WWVB > since they have bits in the protocol marking status for the US, and in the > case of WWVB, impending change. > > If both the HF and LF signals go away due to the proposed budget cuts, what > is the next simplest way (for something like a microprocessor based clock) > to get DST information? > > Neither NTP or GPS provide that information. > > I have seen some websites with DST information, but decoding HTTP seems a > daunting task for a microprocessor clock. > > --- Graham > > == > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/ > listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there. >

I like Paul's idea, although there may be a risk of the LED's drive signal not being accurately timed. Driving that LED accurately may have had a low priority in the programmer's mind. This should be independently checked for critical applications. Dana On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 8:23 AM paul swed <paulswedb@gmail.com> wrote: > Thank you for the responses. > I have not reached out to him yet. Want to see if there are other issues > and I can easily add an external 60 KHz source and modulator right now to > verify the other functionality. > There is no schematic nor source code its a 8 pin uproc chip and as such > has almost no IO. I can easily see a very simple fix but needs a change to > the code behavior. (The chip it self can not do the modulation function. > Thats why its OOK). > But if the carrier were left on there is a LED that blinks to the time code > sequence and that can drive a 1 transistor or diode modulator. > Regards > Paul > WB8TSL > > On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 3:14 AM, Dana Whitlow <k8yumdoober@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Is there a schematic published for the Chronverter? I agree with Didier > > that the > > OOK issue *ought *to be pretty easy to fix, and I'd like to look into > that > > myself. > > > > Dana > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 9:00 PM Didier Juges <shalimr9@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Have you tried to contact the manufacturer? It sounds like something > that > > > should be easy to fix and that he would want to fix. > > > > > > Didier KO4BB > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 23, 2018, 8:55 PM paul swed <paulswedb@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Hello to the group. > > > > Had sometime to hook up the chronverter wwvb simulator. > > > > Numbers of details. > > > > The software and operation are clear. > > > > Everything is easy to setup. > > > > Bad news. > > > > Though the system when set to wwvb puts out a signal on 60Khz its on > > off > > > > keying. > > > > WWVBs signal is reduced carrier by some 14db. > > > > As such any of the WWVB clocks of quality/phase tracking do not lock > > and > > > do > > > > not decode. > > > > I have not tried the cheap clocks yet that I suspect will work. > > > > The actual carrier out is a healthy 0 dbm. > > > > > > > > Some issues with commands and the system seeming to lock up requiring > > > power > > > > cycles. > > > > > > > > With respect to the carrier. The chronverter is elegant in the fact > > that > > > it > > > > can generate the 60 KHz frequency and other LF signals. But I will > need > > > to > > > > add an external 6 MHz oscillator divider and modulator if I want to > use > > > it > > > > with the good receivers. > > > > Adds power and complexity. > > > > Regards > > > > Paul > > > > WB8TSL > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > > > > To unsubscribe, go to > > > > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > > > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > > > To unsubscribe, go to > > > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/ > > listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > > and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there. >

Pretty sure I am about to find out. On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 9:41 AM, Dana Whitlow <k8yumdoober@gmail.com> wrote: > I like Paul's idea, although there may be a risk of the LED's drive signal > not being accurately timed. Driving that LED accurately may have had > a low priority in the programmer's mind. > > This should be independently checked for critical applications. > > Dana > > > On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 8:23 AM paul swed <paulswedb@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Thank you for the responses. > > I have not reached out to him yet. Want to see if there are other issues > > and I can easily add an external 60 KHz source and modulator right now to > > verify the other functionality. > > There is no schematic nor source code its a 8 pin uproc chip and as such > > has almost no IO. I can easily see a very simple fix but needs a change > to > > the code behavior. (The chip it self can not do the modulation function. > > Thats why its OOK). > > But if the carrier were left on there is a LED that blinks to the time > code > > sequence and that can drive a 1 transistor or diode modulator. > > Regards > > Paul > > WB8TSL > > > > On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 3:14 AM, Dana Whitlow <k8yumdoober@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Is there a schematic published for the Chronverter? I agree with > Didier > > > that the > > > OOK issue *ought *to be pretty easy to fix, and I'd like to look into > > that > > > myself. > > > > > > Dana > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 9:00 PM Didier Juges <shalimr9@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > Have you tried to contact the manufacturer? It sounds like something > > that > > > > should be easy to fix and that he would want to fix. > > > > > > > > Didier KO4BB > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 23, 2018, 8:55 PM paul swed <paulswedb@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello to the group. > > > > > Had sometime to hook up the chronverter wwvb simulator. > > > > > Numbers of details. > > > > > The software and operation are clear. > > > > > Everything is easy to setup. > > > > > Bad news. > > > > > Though the system when set to wwvb puts out a signal on 60Khz its > on > > > off > > > > > keying. > > > > > WWVBs signal is reduced carrier by some 14db. > > > > > As such any of the WWVB clocks of quality/phase tracking do not > lock > > > and > > > > do > > > > > not decode. > > > > > I have not tried the cheap clocks yet that I suspect will work. > > > > > The actual carrier out is a healthy 0 dbm. > > > > > > > > > > Some issues with commands and the system seeming to lock up > requiring > > > > power > > > > > cycles. > > > > > > > > > > With respect to the carrier. The chronverter is elegant in the fact > > > that > > > > it > > > > > can generate the 60 KHz frequency and other LF signals. But I will > > need > > > > to > > > > > add an external 6 MHz oscillator divider and modulator if I want to > > use > > > > it > > > > > with the good receivers. > > > > > Adds power and complexity. > > > > > Regards > > > > > Paul > > > > > WB8TSL > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > > > > > To unsubscribe, go to > > > > > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > > > > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > > > > To unsubscribe, go to > > > > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > > > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > > > To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/ > > > listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to > > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > > and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to http://lists.febo.com/mailman/ > listinfo/time-nuts_lists.febo.com > and follow the instructions there. >