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Robin

Mon, Apr 9, 2007 7:32 PM

I agree with Ron rating the Monk and Saberline high based on general, not
specific detailed reputation for overall quality. But whether the model and
year you happen to find has a trouble free genny and main engine(s) is another
question.

I'd place Marine Traders and Island Gypsys and maybe lower with Albin and
Gulfstars and Newburyports in between the two groups. I love the bow flare on
the latter. But with specific review info, this list could easily be changed.
If CHB is Cherubini, and I'm not even sure I spelled that correctly, the few I
have seen have been extrordinary...top of the line in quality appearance,
fittings, styling,etc. (I need to stop drooling.)

In general, a US built boat should have better underwater metals and perhaps
superior electrical system. But resin quality and lay-up over the years in any
brand may vary with some years suffering significant blister problems. So it's
best to find a few boats you like and ask specific questions.

I've gotten to know a 46 ft Marine Trader owned by a marina neighbor pretty
well having helped him on various projects..it's a 1986 boat or close. While I
do NOT like the way it rides, (too light) it's a decent boat with good
accommodations, cruising efficiency, and overall quality. I do not like the
teak window trim on the exterior. For coastal cruising, not open ocean travel,
I'd sure consider one. It has volvo's, not my favorite, but they are a heavy
duty reliable engine...I'd wonder about prompt parts availability, for
example. And I have no idea whether boat hardware is still available; there is
a MT owners website online...

My old Hatt, for example, has parts support for all years and even all
original tech diagrams for all makes, years and models by hull # for $75 or
so from Hatteras. For example, when the motor which opens the windshield died
(at 32 years old) Sam's marine (old parts) told me "Order Bennett trim tab
motor ABC123"...sure enough, it was identical to the original...

I did not even know that when I bought her, but it sure has made
repair/maintenance life a lot simpler. So one consideration is :How do you get
support for whatever boat and equipment you pick? an owner online forum is
ideal. So are local technicans versed in the model and equipment.

David Pascoe may have sample boat reviews on some makes and models you favor.
Check his website.

Rob Brueckner
Hatteras YF

You'll be hard pressed to find any group of boaters who have first hand knowledge of all the following boats...and if they do, they'll likely vote differently anyway! Albin Gulfstar Island Gypsy Marine Trader Monk Newburyport Performance Trawler Saberline CHB I agree with Ron rating the Monk and Saberline high based on general, not specific detailed reputation for overall quality. But whether the model and year you happen to find has a trouble free genny and main engine(s) is another question. I'd place Marine Traders and Island Gypsys and maybe lower with Albin and Gulfstars and Newburyports in between the two groups. I love the bow flare on the latter. But with specific review info, this list could easily be changed. If CHB is Cherubini, and I'm not even sure I spelled that correctly, the few I have seen have been extrordinary...top of the line in quality appearance, fittings, styling,etc. (I need to stop drooling.) In general, a US built boat should have better underwater metals and perhaps superior electrical system. But resin quality and lay-up over the years in any brand may vary with some years suffering significant blister problems. So it's best to find a few boats you like and ask specific questions. I've gotten to know a 46 ft Marine Trader owned by a marina neighbor pretty well having helped him on various projects..it's a 1986 boat or close. While I do NOT like the way it rides, (too light) it's a decent boat with good accommodations, cruising efficiency, and overall quality. I do not like the teak window trim on the exterior. For coastal cruising, not open ocean travel, I'd sure consider one. It has volvo's, not my favorite, but they are a heavy duty reliable engine...I'd wonder about prompt parts availability, for example. And I have no idea whether boat hardware is still available; there is a MT owners website online... My old Hatt, for example, has parts support for all years and even all original tech diagrams for all makes, years and models by hull # for $75 or so from Hatteras. For example, when the motor which opens the windshield died (at 32 years old) Sam's marine (old parts) told me "Order Bennett trim tab motor ABC123"...sure enough, it was identical to the original... I did not even know that when I bought her, but it sure has made repair/maintenance life a lot simpler. So one consideration is :How do you get support for whatever boat and equipment you pick? an owner online forum is ideal. So are local technicans versed in the model and equipment. David Pascoe may have sample boat reviews on some makes and models you favor. Check his website. Rob Brueckner Hatteras YF

John Baker

Tue, Apr 10, 2007 5:02 PM

Rob,

  CHB is short for Chung Hwa Boatworks.  It is probably the most popular yard that builds these Tawiianese boats.  They build the Presents, the Heritage Easts, Nova, Novatec, Golden Star, Ponderosa, and on and on and on.

Out of all of that list, these boats probably fit your criteria the best and that is simply from a value standpoint(Marine Trader is right there as well). Albin is a fine boat but they will command a higher price and 99% of them are loaded with exterior teak and have teak decks. Sabreline is way out of theprice range stated. Go do a search on Yachtworld and put 100k as your upper limit and guess how many hits you get....Yep....Zero! There are 109 Sabres out there but none under a 100k. Marine traders are a mixed bag. There are variations of the line like the Tradewinds line and the Labelle seies. If you don't want exterior teak and/or teak decks, you have basically knocked out about 85% of Marine Traders. The Tradewinds are wood free on the outside and they do command a bit more money but they seem to be nice boats. They also have a tendency towards Volvos although not always. Also the MT 36 Sundeck is a nicely set up boat in your price range and you can find
them in a single. The bigger you get, the less likely you will find them with singe engines. Heritage East also makes a 36 Sundeck that will come in right around 100k for their older models(late 80s) but the older ones are harder to find and get snatched up quickly when they do pop up. The Heritage 40s likely come in around 120k.

Anyway, I could go on and on. This is the segment I always have my eye on sense it is what I want to own in a few years. Good luck and burn up Yachtworld. Feel free to email me off list if you want.

Trawler on,
John

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Rob, CHB is short for Chung Hwa Boatworks. It is probably the most popular yard that builds these Tawiianese boats. They build the Presents, the Heritage Easts, Nova, Novatec, Golden Star, Ponderosa, and on and on and on. Out of all of that list, these boats probably fit your criteria the best and that is simply from a value standpoint(Marine Trader is right there as well). Albin is a fine boat but they will command a higher price and 99% of them are loaded with exterior teak and have teak decks. Sabreline is way out of theprice range stated. Go do a search on Yachtworld and put 100k as your upper limit and guess how many hits you get....Yep....Zero! There are 109 Sabres out there but none under a 100k. Marine traders are a mixed bag. There are variations of the line like the Tradewinds line and the Labelle seies. If you don't want exterior teak and/or teak decks, you have basically knocked out about 85% of Marine Traders. The Tradewinds are wood free on the outside and they do command a bit more money but they seem to be nice boats. They also have a tendency towards Volvos although not always. Also the MT 36 Sundeck is a nicely set up boat in your price range and you can find them in a single. The bigger you get, the less likely you will find them with singe engines. Heritage East also makes a 36 Sundeck that will come in right around 100k for their older models(late 80s) but the older ones are harder to find and get snatched up quickly when they do pop up. The Heritage 40s likely come in around 120k. Anyway, I could go on and on. This is the segment I always have my eye on sense it is what I want to own in a few years. Good luck and burn up Yachtworld. Feel free to email me off list if you want. Trawler on, John --------------------------------- Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users.