What boats are out there
When Jeff Leishman designed the Nordhavn 46 and PAE hit the market with her in 1989 or so, I don't know the exact year, this boat was priced under $190,000. The NH 46 created a new market and a new industry for others to follow. There are a lot of fine long range trawlers out there cruising now. Where there any production long range trawlers out there before Nordhavn? I don't mean custom built or one-offs. Benno
How about the Hatteras LRC's, Benno?
I certainly wouldn't compare them to a current Nordhavn but considering
their era - mid 1970's to early 1980's - they were, and still are, capable
long distance boats. The Hatteras LRC's are true to the concept with
displacement hulls, generous tankage and modest horsepower. Other than the
Nordhavn, and some of the Krogen's, I can't think of another "production"
boat that can claim all three even today.
Merry Christmas to everyone out there on the PUP list.
Jon
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When Jeff Leishman designed the Nordhavn 46 and PAE hit the market with her
in 1989 or so, I don't know the exact year, this boat was priced under
$190,000. The NH 46 created a new market and a new industry for others to
follow. There are a lot of fine long range trawlers out there cruising now.
Where there any production long range trawlers out there before Nordhavn? I
don't mean custom built or one-offs. Benno
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Would it be fair to say a boat has to have a minimum cruising range of
2500 nautical miles to be considered a true blue water boat?
Arild
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Jon Hill jon@jkhill.com wrote:
How about the Hatteras LRC's, Benno?
I certainly wouldn't compare them to a current Nordhavn but considering
their era - mid 1970's to early 1980's - they were, and still are, capable
long distance boats. The Hatteras LRC's are true to the concept with
displacement hulls, generous tankage and modest horsepower. Other than the
Nordhavn, and some of the Krogen's, I can't think of another "production"
boat that can claim all three even today.
Merry Christmas to everyone out there on the PUP list.
Jon
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When Jeff Leishman designed the Nordhavn 46 and PAE hit the market with her
in 1989 or so, I don't know the exact year, this boat was priced under
$190,000. The NH 46 created a new market and a new industry for others to
follow. There are a lot of fine long range trawlers out there cruising now.
Where there any production long range trawlers out there before Nordhavn? I
don't mean custom built or one-offs. Benno
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I think it is more than nautical miles. It relates to seaworthiness,
security, ability to get home in case of problems. I think the Cheoy Lee
was another good blue water boat of the 80s.
JH
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Arild Jensen arild.jensen195@gmail.comwrote:
Would it be fair to say a boat has to have a minimum cruising range of
2500 nautical miles to be considered a true blue water boat?
Arild
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Jon Hill jon@jkhill.com wrote:
How about the Hatteras LRC's, Benno?
I certainly wouldn't compare them to a current Nordhavn but considering
their era - mid 1970's to early 1980's - they were, and still are,
capable
long distance boats. The Hatteras LRC's are true to the concept with
displacement hulls, generous tankage and modest horsepower. Other than
the
Nordhavn, and some of the Krogen's, I can't think of another "production"
boat that can claim all three even today.
Merry Christmas to everyone out there on the PUP list.
Jon
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Subject: [PUP] What boats are out there
When Jeff Leishman designed the Nordhavn 46 and PAE hit the market with
her
in 1989 or so, I don't know the exact year, this boat was priced under
$190,000. The NH 46 created a new market and a new industry for others to
follow. There are a lot of fine long range trawlers out there cruising
now.
Where there any production long range trawlers out there before
Nordhavn? I
don't mean custom built or one-offs. Benno
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On Sat, 24 Dec 2011, Jonathan Haas wrote:
I think it is more than nautical miles. It relates to seaworthiness,
security, ability to get home in case of problems. I think the Cheoy Lee
was another good blue water boat of the 80s.
Yeah, my Cheoy Lee 57' LRC got us easily across the big pond several
years ago. and there is another Cheoy Lee out there somewhere that has
made 2 full circumnavigations and started on its 3rd. I'm not sure
where Larry is now.
Paul Goyette
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All,
I love Nordhavns, but while they revolutionize the voyaging under power, they are by far not the first to do that. I looked at these wonderful boats many times, I even visited Dana point and spend day with the guys there, but knew they are out of my league. I needed a different boat that I can accomplish my life-long dream with. And I found it. I have one of the first production passage-makers ever made. I'm not quite sure, but I am not aware of another production boat with such capabilities in the early 70 or before that.
The boat is unique and well designed with the purpose of long range cruising. There are only few around as Cheoy Lee made only 8 as far as I know. I'm aware of 4 including mine and I just found out about the 5th one that is in Sitka.
It is beautiful little 47ft ship that was build all from solid FRP in 1972 including even the fuel and water tanks. It was designed by very famous west coast boat designer Bill Garden specially for Cheoy Lee.
It carries 1000 gal of fuel and 1000 gal of water. It is single CAT diesel that Cruses at 1400rpm at 7.5-8knts.
I'm preparing her for an around the world trip commencing September next year. When I convert one of the 3 water tanks to fuel I will have about 1500 gal of fuel With that change I feel confident that I will have range of about 3500-4000 nm vs the 2500-2800 nm range that I have now.
I have made simple website with the specs of the boat. If interested you guys can go check www.seawitch.ca. Don't hesitate to send me any comments that will help my preparations.
I will try to prove that one can do around the world trip on low budget. It could sound impossible to the more fortunate out-there, but as I'm not one of them (at-least as far as money are concerned: ) I will need to make some adjustment to my life style in order to achieve my dream.
One think I was not ready to compromise - I rather cruise than sail. I'm my opinion it is a myth that sailing is cheaper.
Well,
I would try to find out in the next 3-5 years.
Jordan
On 2011-12-24, at 7:11 PM, Jonathan Haas llywinda@gmail.com wrote:
I think it is more than nautical miles. It relates to seaworthiness,
security, ability to get home in case of problems. I think the Cheoy Lee
was another good blue water boat of the 80s.
JH
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Arild Jensen arild.jensen195@gmail.comwrote:
Would it be fair to say a boat has to have a minimum cruising range of
2500 nautical miles to be considered a true blue water boat?
Arild
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Jon Hill jon@jkhill.com wrote:
How about the Hatteras LRC's, Benno?
I certainly wouldn't compare them to a current Nordhavn but considering
their era - mid 1970's to early 1980's - they were, and still are,
capable
long distance boats. The Hatteras LRC's are true to the concept with
displacement hulls, generous tankage and modest horsepower. Other than
the
Nordhavn, and some of the Krogen's, I can't think of another "production"
boat that can claim all three even today.
Merry Christmas to everyone out there on the PUP list.
Jon
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Subject: [PUP] What boats are out there
When Jeff Leishman designed the Nordhavn 46 and PAE hit the market with
her
in 1989 or so, I don't know the exact year, this boat was priced under
$190,000. The NH 46 created a new market and a new industry for others to
follow. There are a lot of fine long range trawlers out there cruising
now.
Where there any production long range trawlers out there before
Nordhavn? I
don't mean custom built or one-offs. Benno
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Hi Johnatan,
if you are talking about Larry Brigs, he is around and looking for new boat as he sold and deliver the last one he had. I think he's got deal on a Cheoy Lee 55 that he was trying to close over the hollidays.
Jordan
On 2011-12-24, at 7:25 PM, Paul Goyette wrote:
On Sat, 24 Dec 2011, Jonathan Haas wrote:
I think it is more than nautical miles. It relates to seaworthiness,
security, ability to get home in case of problems. I think the Cheoy Lee
was another good blue water boat of the 80s.
Yeah, my Cheoy Lee 57' LRC got us easily across the big pond several years ago. and there is another Cheoy Lee out there somewhere that has made 2 full circumnavigations and started on its 3rd. I'm not sure where Larry is now.
Paul Goyette
formerly of Gentle Wind, a 1987 Cheoy Lee LRC
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I don't think your 2500 mile range is unreasonable, Arild although it might
result in some nervous days on a west coast - Hawaii passage if things
weren't going as planned.
I'd agree the Hatteras LRC's have some "true blue water" shortcomings but
range probably isn't one of them. I can only speak with firsthand knowledge
on the 58 and 1.5 NMPG isn't hard to do so that gives nearly a 3500 mile
range. The 65, essentially a stretched 58, has larger engines and increased
tankage and should be able to do the about the same. I found an article on
the 48 with some pretty complete test figures and it should conservatively
do 3900 miles. The 42 is a little short of fuel so 2500 miles, although
possible, may be a bit of a stretch.
I'm more concerned about my glass exposure and my A/B ratio than I am with
range but for the most part the Hatteras LRC series were solidly built with
quality equipment. And my apologies to the Cheoy Lee enthusiasts. I forgot
all about the long range Cheoy Lee's when thinking of production LRC's
Jon
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Subject: Re: [PUP] What boats are out there
Would it be fair to say a boat has to have a minimum cruising range of 2500
nautical miles to be considered a true blue water boat?
Arild
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Jon Hill jon@jkhill.com wrote:
How about the Hatteras LRC's, Benno?
I certainly wouldn't compare them to a current Nordhavn but considering
their era - mid 1970's to early 1980's - they were, and still are, capable
long distance boats. The Hatteras LRC's are true to the concept with
displacement hulls, generous tankage and modest horsepower. Other than the
Nordhavn, and some of the Krogen's, I can't think of another "production"
boat that can claim all three even today.
Merry Christmas to everyone out there on the PUP list.
Jon
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Subject: [PUP] What boats are out there
When Jeff Leishman designed the Nordhavn 46 and PAE hit the market with her
in 1989 or so, I don't know the exact year, this boat was priced under
$190,000. The NH 46 created a new market and a new industry for others to
follow. There are a lot of fine long range trawlers out there cruising now.
Where there any production long range trawlers out there before Nordhavn? I
don't mean custom built or one-offs. Benno