Did you forget the smiley?  :)

If the bottom is rubbish, why send it?

Ignoring it only works if everybody knows that the convention is to only
top-post and not insert anything in the middle.  Otherwise you have to scan
to make sure there aren't any gems buried in there.

Trimming everything that's not needed for context and inserting your comments
at the right place makes much more sense to me.

Also, blindly top posting sure doesn't help the signal/noise ratio.  I'm on
one list full of quote-everything top posers.  It often has long threads.
Each layer picks up another signature, sometimes a corporate disclaimer, and
the list's unsubscribe/info block.  I get it in digest mode.  Sometimes it's
a challenge to find the signal.

--
These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's.  I hate spam.

The smiley (humour) was implied..

I didn't mean any offence, but have been used to top posting, as business
email (that's what I originally got my email for originally back in the mid
90's) was all (and still is) top posted.

It was only when I ventured into newsgroups that I came across bottom
posting, which to me seemed totally illogical. I've read the pros of bottom
posting (and the cons of top posting), but still can't get my head or my
email prog (Outlook), around it.

Cheers

Rob Kimberley

-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On
Behalf Of Hal Murray
Sent: 11 October 2008 07:20
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Sulzer Labs D-5 oscillator

Did you forget the smiley?  :)

If the bottom is rubbish, why send it?

Ignoring it only works if everybody knows that the convention is to only
top-post and not insert anything in the middle.  Otherwise you have to scan
to make sure there aren't any gems buried in there.

Trimming everything that's not needed for context and inserting your
comments at the right place makes much more sense to me.

Also, blindly top posting sure doesn't help the signal/noise ratio.  I'm on
one list full of quote-everything top posers.  It often has long threads.
Each layer picks up another signature, sometimes a corporate disclaimer, and

the list's unsubscribe/info block.  I get it in digest mode.  Sometimes it's

a challenge to find the signal.

--
These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's.  I hate spam.

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"Rob Kimberley" rk@timing-consultants.com wrote:

There is a very big difference between a business email and a forum.

A business email is usually between two people and concerns only one
subject. The  exchange  is  usually  very  short,  perhaps  a single
question and  a  single reply. In these situations,  top  posting is
probably the easiest method.

A forum is completely different. There may be many  people involved,
but unless  they  respond  to a post, you  never  know  if  they are
present. The  discussion can involve several different  issues, each
with their  own  thread. New threads can appear  and  take  over the
entire conversation, or quickly disappear. A discussion can continue
for a very long time and involve many people.

In this  situation,  top  posting is  very  inconsiderate.  You have
already heard all the reasons.

If your email client is to blame, perhaps it should be replaced with
one more  suitable. Pimmy is an excellent client, and you  can still
get version 3.5, the last free one here:

http://www.321download.com/LastFreeware/page28.html

Pimmy is  designed  to handle an unlimited number  of  mailboxes and
accounts. You  can get disposable email addresses from  a  number of
sites. I have found KasMail is the best:

http://www.kasmail.com/

KasMail is  free  and allows you to have up  to  25  different email
addresses. You can use different ones for eBay, PayPal, and  each of
your bank  accounts. This helps increase security,  since  you never
use these  for  anything else. This reduces the  opportunity  for ID
theft.

You can  use  some  for typical web sites that  won't  allow  you to
proceed without an email address. However, these can often be stolen
and end  up  on a spammer's list. Once there,  it  is  impossible to
remove them.

You are  now  vulnerable  to all kinds  of  malware  hidden  in html
messages. These  use  GIF's, JPEG's, PDf,  IFRAMES,  scripts, Visual
Basic, and  other  methods  to  hijack  your  system.  Once  in, the
criminals can  do  anything  they want.  They  can  steal  your bank
account and  credit  card usernames and  passwords,  and  drain your
accounts. They can turn your computer into a zombie, sending spam to
other victims.  You  can end up with numerous  malware  programs all
fighting for  control.  This can slow down your  computer  and cause
serious crashes.

The answer  is to simply dispose of the bad email address and  get a
new one.

Following this simple rule, I have virtually eliminated all  spam. I
now may get one spam every month or two. This is a  huge improvement
from the hundreds or thousands I used to get.

One more  thing. Most email clients will execute programs  hidden in
email, or downloaded from a web site.

Pimmy will not execute programs. It won't even render html. It won't
download anything from external sites. So there is no way you can be
infected by incoming malware hidden in an email message.

And, of course, Pimmy will let you bottom post:)

Best Regards,

Mike Monett

On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Rob Kimberley rk@timing-consultants.comwrote:

I have recommended
http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/
and heard good things about it.  Fixes quotes, signature placement, etc.

--
Sanjeev Gupta
+65 98551208

time-nuts-bounces@febo.com wrote:

Sanjeev,

OK, I just installed it, let me try this....

It's amazing, it looks as if Outlook was smartified! Did not know it was
possible!

Did not even have to read any doc or go into any setup!!!

(well,maybe I should, it looks like it eats the last poster's signature...)

Well, I hope nobody is using Blackberrys on this list from now on!

Thanks,

Didier KO4BB

Didier Juges wrote:

Just installed Quotefix in my Outlook 2003, and thought I'd try it out.
Amazing!

:-)

Rob Kimberley

Sanjeev Gupta wrote:

Sanjeev,

Thank you for sending this - it works beatifully.

Rob Kimberley