I'm hoping someone can set me straight on whether it is safe to parallel
two 20 or 30A shore power sources to supply the boat with a single 40 or
40A service. I know that 'Y' pigtails are sold for this purpose. However,
when I discussed with our NZ electrician he said "no way - specifically
not allowed under NZ code".
Many thanks,
Steve
Stephen C. Darden Email: darden@xtra.co.nz
Adagio Marine Ltd. Fax: 649/4037-213
P.O. Box 161 Voice: 649/4037-801
Russell
NEW ZEALAND
Dunno about wiring practices in NZ, but there are two potential problems
here in the USA.
You could easily try to parallel two 120v circuits of different phases
which would result in interesting fireworks.
If you happened to parallel two same-phase, say, 30a circuits, you had
better be sure that you don't try to draw 60a from the combined supply, else
you'll probably melt your shore power cord with a current it wasn't designed
for. Either that or more likely one of the supply legs will have slightly
less resistance than the other and will try to supply most/all of the
current and trip its own breaker.
Hal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Darden" darden@xtra.co.nz
To: "Trawler List List posting" trawler-world-list@samurai.com
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: TWL: Twin 30 AMP Shore Power
I'm hoping someone can set me straight on whether it is safe to parallel
two 20 or 30A shore power sources to supply the boat with a single 40 or
40A service. I know that 'Y' pigtails are sold for this purpose. However,
when I discussed with our NZ electrician he said "no way - specifically
not allowed under NZ code".
Many thanks,
Steve
Stephen C. Darden Email: darden@xtra.co.nz
Adagio Marine Ltd. Fax: 649/4037-213
P.O. Box 161 Voice: 649/4037-801
Russell
NEW ZEALAND
hal@halwyman.com writes:
I'm hoping someone can set me straight on whether it is safe to
parallel
two 20 or 30A shore power sources to supply the boat with a single
40 or
40A service
Around here most boats that have that much need for power use two
separate circuits.
At least one skipper explained to me that two 30 Amp cables and
connectors are less expensive than a single 50 or 60 Amp cable and
hardware and he has more flexibility.
Just my $.02 worth.
George of Scaramouche, which - in a pinch - can get by with a 15 Amp
household extension cord while travelling. (Batterie charger,
coffee-maker and microwave) :-)
Steve - Works sometimes - blows up other times. Depends on the source of
the two services. If they are simply two runs from the same electrical
phase it works fine. If - as I would expect is often the case, they are two
runs from different phases you are going to get fire works when you
interconnect.
You can set your boat up with two different 120 volt runs and run them off
two separate plugs safely. This would be normal if you have your boat
fitted for 240 for heavy loads and then split that for the 120 volt loads.
Each of those 120 runs can go to a seperate 120 volt plug.
There are commercially available systems that take care of all this. Mostly
you can do it with a sophisticated autotransformer though it will not work
on some combinations. Or perhaps more correctly - both the operator and the
autotransformer need to be sophisticated if it is to work in all
circumstances.
I suspect you could qualify for the operator role without much trouble if
you got the correct package.
Jim
The way most twin 30 amp or 50 amp boats are factory wired is with a
selector switch that connects both busses and at the same time disconnects
one of the cords. That way there is no possibility of connecting two
different phases together. Both busses must also be joined for the
generator. Ancor and Blue Seas both make sliders for the circuit breakers
to accomplish this.
Frank
Steve - Works sometimes - blows up other times. Depends on the source of
the two services. If they are simply two runs from the same electrical
phase it works fine. If - as I would expect is often the case, they are two
runs from different phases you are going to get fire works when you
interconnect.
Frank - Steve's boat is a one off and he is the chief engineer. Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-trawler-world-list@samurai.com
[mailto:owner-trawler-world-list@samurai.com]On Behalf Of Frank Burrows
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 3:47 PM
To: trawler-world-list@samurai.com
Subject: RE: TWL: Twin 30 AMP Shore Power
The way most twin 30 amp or 50 amp boats are factory wired is with a
selector switch that connects both busses and at the same time disconnects
one of the cords. That way there is no possibility of connecting two
different phases together. Both busses must also be joined for the
generator. Ancor and Blue Seas both make sliders for the circuit breakers
to accomplish this.
Frank
Hi Jim
I have 6 kw genset which has a 25 amp 220 circuit and two 25 amp 110 circuits.
Does anyone know the largest capacitor start electric motor which could be used
with such a generator.
BTW
Since I am the sparkie on SusieQ, I have installed the 10/3 30 amp systems
directly to 2 separate breaker boxes: one to inverter the other to AC etc. I
bought a 250' roll of cable and ran the cable thru the deck in a covered deck
box. No plugs on boat.
Peter Denton
Hi Jim
I have 6 kw genset which has a 25 amp 220 circuit and two 25 amp 110
circuits.
Does anyone know the largest capacitor start electric motor which could be
used
with such a generator.
I think it would be quite dependent on the rotational inertia of the genset,
i.e., the mass of the flywheel. I have a Panda 6KW that can hardly start a
1.5hp motor but I think other larger heavier 6KW sets could do much better.
Hal