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1. Re: Trawler-world-great-loop digest, Vol 1 #117 - 6 msgs
2. Re: Re: Trawler-world-great-loop digest, Vol 1 #117 - 6 msgs (Judy &
John Gill)
3. Re: Potable Water (Bill Martin)
4. Re: Potable Water (Judy & John Gill)
5. Erie canal & Canada (BRDeans@cs.com)
6. Marine Sanitation Issues (PeggyC3805@aol.com)
7. Re: Potable Water (Allen Johnson)
8. Re: Potable Water (Bill Martin)
9. TWGL] Marine Sanitation Issues (FloridaKeyz@aol.com)
- ? concerning ICW Jacksonville to the Keys (Fred Graham)
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Message: 1
From: LRZeitlin@aol.com
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 01:00:02 EST
To: trawler-world-great-loop@lists.samurai.com
Subject: [TWGL] Re: Trawler-world-great-loop digest, Vol 1 #117 - 6 msgs
In a message dated 2/10/02 12:02:23 AM, Jim writes:
<< On the Great Loop, when you fill your water tanks do you use any kind
of
filter on the marina's water? If so, what kind? Have you had problems
with
dirty or foul water from marinas? >>
Most of the marinas use city water which has been chlorinated. It is
undoubtedly safe to drink but that doesn't mean that it is always free of
noxious flavors, sulfur, iron, etc. We use an activated charcoal filter
just
ahead of the galley faucet to remove bad tastes. No filter is used for the
shower or head water supply. If you are taking the Great Loop, fill your
tanks on the New York side of the Hudson anywhere between New York City
and
Rhinebeck. New York's Hudson Valley has access to the best water supply in
the nation, direct from the Ashokan and Croton reservoirs and the upper
Delaware River. In national water taste-offs, this ordinary tap water
regularly outscores the best of the bottled waters. If you head through
Lake
Champlain, Vermont water is pretty good too. You will appreciate the
difference when you taste the waters in the Midwest.
Larry Z
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 10:19:28 +0000
From: Judy & John Gill twojscom@quadnet.net
Reply-To: twojscom@quadnet.net
Organization: Two J's Communications
To: LRZeitlin@aol.com
Cc: trawler-world-great-loop@lists.samurai.com
Subject: Re: [TWGL] Re: Trawler-world-great-loop digest, Vol 1 #117 - 6
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John Gill replied:
Larry and List:
I agree that "City" water should be safe to drink, particularly if the
hose
used for filling your tanks is clean and not filled with slime by sitting
on a
dock in the sun or also used to flush head tanks as one post reported.
A couple of questions for Larry and others on the List:
- Do you Not filter WELL water at marinas as you fill your tanks for
shower
and sink use, including both Hot and Cold water used for rinsing food,
washing
dishes, bathing and brushing teeth, etc.?
- Do you add a biocide or other water treatment tablet or fluid to your
tanks
when filling them with Well and/or City water? If so, what brand name do
you
use?
- Does your charcoal filter remove bad tastes from Well water, such as
sulfur
and heavy iron, etc. and make your potable water at the galley sink taste
good? If yes, what brand do you use?
I agree with you that once you get into New York, Lake Champlain, the
Rideau
Waterway, 1000 Islands and Trent-Severn, most water, even Well water
tastes
pretty good. It is the Mid-South, South and South East including the
Chesapeake Bay that concerns me.
As previously reported, we have installed a Nature Pure filter on the cold
water wine with its own separate faucet at the galley sink for potable
water
use - that is in addition to a Raycor activated charcoal and sediment
filter in
the dock to the on board dockside water intake and adding a biocide to our
tanks each time we fill them.
I appreciate Larry's recommendations on where to fill the tanks in New
York.
Are there any places to avoid (if possible) along the Great Loop -- i.e.
fill
In a message dated 2/10/02 12:02:23 AM, Jim writes:
<< On the Great Loop, when you fill your water tanks do you use any kind
of
filter on the marina's water? If so, what kind? Have you had problems
with
dirty or foul water from marinas? >>
Most of the marinas use city water which has been chlorinated. It is
undoubtedly safe to drink but that doesn't mean that it is always free
of
noxious flavors, sulfur, iron, etc. We use an activated charcoal filter
just
ahead of the galley faucet to remove bad tastes. No filter is used for
the
shower or head water supply. If you are taking the Great Loop, fill your
tanks on the New York side of the Hudson anywhere between New York City
and
Rhinebeck. New York's Hudson Valley has access to the best water supply
in
the nation, direct from the Ashokan and Croton reservoirs and the upper
Delaware River. In national water taste-offs, this ordinary tap water
regularly outscores the best of the bottled waters. If you head through
Lake
Champlain, Vermont water is pretty good too. You will appreciate the
difference when you taste the waters in the Midwest.
Larry Z
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 10:18:08 -0500
To: trawler-world-great-loop@lists.samurai.com, tomdunton@yahoo.com
From: Bill Martin Martin_WJ@prodigy.net
Subject: Re: [TWGL] Potable Water
....We have been advised against using the Raycor filter when filling the
tanks using "city" water because it removes the chlorine, fluoride and
other chemicals used to treat city water and can result in water going
bad
in the tanks.
John: Who "advised" you? was it someone who knew what he/she was
talking about, or just another know-nothing like me?
Well, speaking as another "know-nothing", I thought it well known that the
charcoal filters remove chlorine from the water -- and hence the taste of
it. Anyhow, last time I installed one of the filters on a home faucet the
instructions went on ad nauseam about letting the water run for some
period
of time EVERY TIME you turn on the faucet to flush out all the water
sitting in the lines after the filter because it doesn't have chlorine in
it anymore. Now I doubt that anyone actually does that (I certainly
don't)
but it's apparently enough of a potential hazard that their lawyers insist
that it's in the instructions.
The water in your tanks sometimes sits for months between refills and has
an opportunity to grow bugs if you have removed the chlorine first. What
percentage of the chlorine is removed by a charcoal filter I don't
know. Is there still enough left to protect the water? Possibly. Do you
know? I don't know and hence, why take the chance with something so easy
to avoid. Some private water systems don't have chlorine in the first
place so is removing it a problem? Well .... maybe yes, maybe no. Again,
if you don't know then why do it?
My question would be why charcoal filter the water going into the tanks
anyhow? Do it as you take the water out of the tank instead and you don't
have the potential problem of a tank filled with 200 gallons of de
chlorinated water and it's not any harder to do that way.
Bill Martin
Telegraph Hill
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 10:48:00 +0000
From: Judy & John Gill twojscom@quadnet.net
Reply-To: twojscom@quadnet.net
Organization: Two J's Communications
To: Bill Martin Martin_WJ@prodigy.net
Cc: trawler-world-great-loop@lists.samurai.com, tomdunton@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [TWGL] Potable Water
John Gill replied to Bill Martin's question below:
Obviously, you have not done much boating in the Southern or South Eastern
USA
where there is a lot of sulfur in the water. It smells bad and tastes
worse.
Activated charcoal and sediment filters just do not do the job (or at
least
mine doesn't) of taking the sulfur out and making iced tea or coffee is
horrible to say the least. Taking a shower with the smell of rotten eggs
isn't fun either. On my boat, there is no good way to filter both the hot
and
cold water to three sinks and the shower after the boat's three water
tanks
(hooked up in series).
John
Bill Martin wrote:
My question would be why charcoal filter the water going into the tanks
anyhow? Do it as you take the water out of the tank instead and you
don't
have the potential problem of a tank filled with 200 gallons of de
chlorinated water and it's not any harder to do that way.
Bill Martin
Telegraph Hill
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Message: 5
From: BRDeans@cs.com
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 12:20:42 EST
To: trawler-world-great-loop@lists.samurai.com
Subject: [TWGL] Erie canal & Canada
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While surfing the net (should I say "cruising the net"), I found 2
interesting websites:
www.canadanet.com/erie is the log someone wrote of a trip they took, lock
by
lock, town by town, down the Erie canal from Oswego to N.Y.
www.cruising.ca is apparently a magazine of Canadian cruising. What is
interesting is at the bottom of the page below the "email us" and "ICRA
logo"
is a list and links to 70 URL's to various detailed Ontario cruising
guides
from the Thousands Islands to Trent Severn Waterway.
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(should I say "cruising the net"), I found 2 interesting websites:
<BR>www.canadanet.com/erie is the log someone wrote of a trip they took,
lock by lock, town by town, down the Erie canal from Oswego to N.Y.
interesting is at the bottom of the page below the "email us" and "ICRA
logo" is a list and links to 70 URL's to various detailed Ontario cruising
guides from the Thousands Islands to Trent Severn Waterway.</FONT></HTML>
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 13:29:11 EST
From: PeggyC3805@aol.com
To: trawler-world-great-loop@lists.samurai.com
Subject: [TWGL] Marine Sanitation Issues
On our recently purchased Albin 43 we have two electric heads and a 40
gallon holding tank. Having just spent our first night of many on this boat,
we discovered that the y valves are set to overboard discharge. When I spoke
to the previous owner he said oh yes, he probably had used the holding tank
once or twice.
Being from the Chesapeake Bay we are super aware of holding tanks and pump
outs. Evidently here in southern Florida they have the same laws but NO
pumpouts, or virtually none. I am appalled, and have a new opinion on the
desireability of living on the water down here!!!
Yes, okay, overboard discharge is easy on the boatowner, and our broker
tells us that he's sold previously owned boats which have NEVER had the Y
valve switched over. But as we head north in a couple of weeks we will be
switching that Y valve back to the holding tank. It seems to me that these
electric heads use a LOT of water, and 40 gallons will fill quickly. How
many pumpout stations are we likely to find? Are we going to be switching
the Y valves back to overboard discharge out of frustration?
Second issue: We have thought of installing an ElectraSan on the boat.
Evidently one unit will handle two heads just fine. How many areas of the
ICW and the rest of the Great Loop will not permit discharge of waste that's
been treated with an ElectraSan? And are there any areas which prohibit
discharge of "gray" water from showers and dish washing?
Thanks,
Peggy Carr
"Aqua Vitae," Albin 43
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:01:53 -0500
From: Allen Johnson ajohnson@alormaria.com
Subject: Re: [TWGL] Potable Water
To: Jim fidlerjim@earthlink.net,
trawler-world-great-loop@lists.samurai.com
Reply-To: Allen Johnson ajohnson@alormaria.com
Hi Jim,
In the northeastern part of your trip you might do like we did. We just
checked the taste of the water and if it tasted OK, filled our tanks using
our own hose. No filters seemed necessary and we are used to good water at
home.
It's always a good idea to ask if the dock's water hose has been pulling
double doody (pun intended). We usually filled from our transient slip.
We'd
run the water for a while to clean the lines, taste and fill. It also
depended on the marina. Some marinas we wouldn't even use the dumpster (we
couldn't tell which was the dumpster and which was the office).
Al Johnson
34' Marine Trader "Angelina"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim" fidlerjim@earthlink.net
To: trawler-world-great-loop@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 4:20 PM
Subject: [TWGL] Potable Water
On the Great Loop, when you fill your water tanks do you use any kind of
filter on the marina's water? If so, what kind? Have you had problems
with
dirty or foul water from marinas?
Do you use your own water hose or the marina's? I recently saw the same
hose being used for holding tank rinse water and for filling water
tanks.
The dock attendant was sticking a foot or so of the hose down into the
pumpout hose. Yuk!
Jim Fidler
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:49:54 -0500
To: twojscom@quadnet.net
From: Bill Martin Martin_WJ@prodigy.net
Subject: Re: [TWGL] Potable Water
Cc: trawler-world-great-loop@lists.samurai.com
Obviously, you have not done much boating in the Southern or South
Eastern USA
where there is a lot of sulfur in the water.
Actually, that's where I live too.
On my boat, there is no good way to filter both the hot and cold water to
three sinks and the shower after the boat's three water tanks (hooked up
in series).
At some point I would have thought you'd have one water pump that draws
from the three tanks in some combination and then supplies pressure to
both
the hot and cold systems from that one pump. One filter at the one pump
does it and leaves the tanks chlorinated. Of course I am presuming the
obvious and you may really have three water pumps or some such non
standard
setup.
Bill
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Message: 9
From: FloridaKeyz@aol.com
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:54:46 EST
To: trawler-world-great-loop@lists.samurai.com
Subject: [TWGL] TWGL] Marine Sanitation Issues
Lets be totally honest here,
Or not.
What do you think happens to the discharge of your holding tank when you
pump
overboard?
Most likely the same thing that happens to it, when you get it pumped out,
it
end up UN treated in the ocean.
No kidding.
Sterling
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Message: 10
Reply-To: fegraham@earthlink.net
From: "Fred Graham" fegraham@earthlink.net
To: Trawler-world-great-loop@lists.samurai.com
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:53:53 -0500
Subject: [TWGL] ? concerning ICW Jacksonville to the Keys
Coast of Florida? Are there any particular inlets that you would
suggest using...and which ones would you particularly recommend
avoiding?</DIV>
href="mailto:fegraham@earthlink.net">fegraham@earthlink.net</A></DIV>
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