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David Schramm
Mon, Nov 24, 2008 1:34 PM

It depends upon where you are going to cruise to.  On the west coast of
north America, the tides are large and there are very few dinghy docks.
Most of the time you are landing your dinghy on a beach and then dragging it
100 feet up the beach to get it above the tide line.  For this you need a
total weight around 120 lbs and a set of dinghy wheels mounted to the
transom.  I found my Achilles with its 25 HP motor at 300 lbs very
difficult to use in these conditions.

Now that I am in the Caribbean where the tide is only a couple of feet and
dinghy docks are prevalent, the comfort and speed of my heavy dingy is
acceptable.

Overall I would now buy an AquaPro rib with a 9 or 10 HP motor with a total
weight target of 120 lbs.

David Schramm

M/V Jenny

Current
<http://www.winlink.org/dotnet/maps/PositionReportsDetail.aspx?callsign=KI6C
EL>  Location

Journey Log http://groups.google.com/group/jennyjourney

It depends upon where you are going to cruise to. On the west coast of north America, the tides are large and there are very few dinghy docks. Most of the time you are landing your dinghy on a beach and then dragging it 100 feet up the beach to get it above the tide line. For this you need a total weight around 120 lbs and a set of dinghy wheels mounted to the transom. I found my Achilles with its 25 HP motor at 300 lbs very difficult to use in these conditions. Now that I am in the Caribbean where the tide is only a couple of feet and dinghy docks are prevalent, the comfort and speed of my heavy dingy is acceptable. Overall I would now buy an AquaPro rib with a 9 or 10 HP motor with a total weight target of 120 lbs. David Schramm M/V Jenny Current <http://www.winlink.org/dotnet/maps/PositionReportsDetail.aspx?callsign=KI6C EL> Location Journey Log <http://groups.google.com/group/jennyjourney>
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Ross Anderson
Mon, Nov 24, 2008 1:44 PM

My take on dinghy's and we all have our favorites, is a 10 to 11' RIB
with a 9.5 HP outboard motor. Both dinghy and motor can be hauled up
on beach and most people can lift the 9.5 hp 2 cycle outboard off the
transom if necessary. I carry a spare 9.5 hung on the rail in case of
emergency. We can carry 6 adults when necessary and there is plenty of
room for pets unless you adopt a bear in AK! Never saw the reason for
25hp and they are to heavy for someone my age to manhandle. God Bless

  • Ross 10&2

On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 8:34 AM, David Schramm david@schramm-family.net wrote:

It depends upon where you are going to cruise to.  On the west coast of
north America, the tides are large and there are very few dinghy docks.
Most of the time you are landing your dinghy on a beach and then dragging it
100 feet up the beach to get it above the tide line.  For this you need a
total weight around 120 lbs and a set of dinghy wheels mounted to the
transom.  I found my Achilles with its 25 HP motor at 300 lbs very
difficult to use in these conditions.

Now that I am in the Caribbean where the tide is only a couple of feet and
dinghy docks are prevalent, the comfort and speed of my heavy dingy is
acceptable.

Overall I would now buy an AquaPro rib with a 9 or 10 HP motor with a total
weight target of 120 lbs.

David Schramm

M/V Jenny

Current
<http://www.winlink.org/dotnet/maps/PositionReportsDetail.aspx?callsign=KI6C
EL>  Location

Journey Log http://groups.google.com/group/jennyjourney


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My take on dinghy's and we all have our favorites, is a 10 to 11' RIB with a 9.5 HP outboard motor. Both dinghy and motor can be hauled up on beach and most people can lift the 9.5 hp 2 cycle outboard off the transom if necessary. I carry a spare 9.5 hung on the rail in case of emergency. We can carry 6 adults when necessary and there is plenty of room for pets unless you adopt a bear in AK! Never saw the reason for 25hp and they are to heavy for someone my age to manhandle. God Bless - Ross 10&2 On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 8:34 AM, David Schramm <david@schramm-family.net> wrote: > It depends upon where you are going to cruise to. On the west coast of > north America, the tides are large and there are very few dinghy docks. > Most of the time you are landing your dinghy on a beach and then dragging it > 100 feet up the beach to get it above the tide line. For this you need a > total weight around 120 lbs and a set of dinghy wheels mounted to the > transom. I found my Achilles with its 25 HP motor at 300 lbs very > difficult to use in these conditions. > > > > Now that I am in the Caribbean where the tide is only a couple of feet and > dinghy docks are prevalent, the comfort and speed of my heavy dingy is > acceptable. > > > > Overall I would now buy an AquaPro rib with a 9 or 10 HP motor with a total > weight target of 120 lbs. > > > > David Schramm > > M/V Jenny > > Current > <http://www.winlink.org/dotnet/maps/PositionReportsDetail.aspx?callsign=KI6C > EL> Location > > Journey Log <http://groups.google.com/group/jennyjourney> > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power > > To unsubscribe send email to > passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com with the word > UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. > > Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks of Water World Productions, formerly known as Trawler World Productions.
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Ron Rogers
Mon, Nov 24, 2008 11:43 PM

I just purchased a Chesapeake Light Craft "Passagemaker" from an amateur
builder who produces professional quality. If you are on the East Coast,
this is an attractive option. Certainly a dinghy which embraces her
characteristics has merit.

She is 11'7" in length and 56" in beam and draws 6" in rowing trim. She also
comes as a sailing dinghy. She weighs 90 pounds. Both interior and exterior
bottoms are covered in fiberglass and two skids on the bottom and the skeg
are covered in an additional layer of glass. The entire boat is coated in 3
coats of epoxy followed by 3 coats of UV resistant varnish (Schooner).

She is very stable (owing to her fattitude) and her lapstrake construction
adds strength as well as knocking down spray. Maximum horsepower is 3.5 HP.
Most importantly, she can carry 650 pounds in safety.

So if you are looking at hard dinghies, these specification may be of use. I
can tell you that hard dinghies are very costly with wooden ones usually the
most expensive. Fiberglass and composite boats are lighter and less
expensive - unless you order carbon fiber or Kevlar construction. On the
East Coast, the "Fatty Knees" dinghy is popular amongst cruisers because of
her stability. On the West Coast, Gig Harbor makes some interesting boats.
If you are going to have to pull her up on a tidal beach, she needs to be
light and rugged. If you are in the PNW and have to land on gravel beaches,
you are going to place your emphasis on a rugged bottom.

Ron Rogers
Rowing dinghy and RIB

I just purchased a Chesapeake Light Craft "Passagemaker" from an amateur builder who produces professional quality. If you are on the East Coast, this is an attractive option. Certainly a dinghy which embraces her characteristics has merit. She is 11'7" in length and 56" in beam and draws 6" in rowing trim. She also comes as a sailing dinghy. She weighs 90 pounds. Both interior and exterior bottoms are covered in fiberglass and two skids on the bottom and the skeg are covered in an additional layer of glass. The entire boat is coated in 3 coats of epoxy followed by 3 coats of UV resistant varnish (Schooner). She is very stable (owing to her fattitude) and her lapstrake construction adds strength as well as knocking down spray. Maximum horsepower is 3.5 HP. Most importantly, she can carry 650 pounds in safety. So if you are looking at hard dinghies, these specification may be of use. I can tell you that hard dinghies are very costly with wooden ones usually the most expensive. Fiberglass and composite boats are lighter and less expensive - unless you order carbon fiber or Kevlar construction. On the East Coast, the "Fatty Knees" dinghy is popular amongst cruisers because of her stability. On the West Coast, Gig Harbor makes some interesting boats. If you are going to have to pull her up on a tidal beach, she needs to be light and rugged. If you are in the PNW and have to land on gravel beaches, you are going to place your emphasis on a rugged bottom. Ron Rogers Rowing dinghy and RIB
SD
Steven Dubnoff
Tue, Nov 25, 2008 7:45 AM

this was on Slashdot:

http://tinyurl.com/5jfncp

Steve

this was on Slashdot: http://tinyurl.com/5jfncp Steve
DL
David Law
Tue, Nov 25, 2008 1:06 PM

Steve,thanks for this map of Piracy and it does show a concentration in South
China Sea and around Singapore, but it should be shown in Context. I live in
Singapore and know at any one time on any one day there  is over 800
commercial ships either coming or going into Singapore, this is the largest
Container port in the world with the highest tonnage, even higher than
Rotterdam so another glance at the map still makes it very interesting but in
context not quite so frightening.
Regards
David

Just Earth Business
www.justearthbusiness.com

--- On Tue, 11/25/08, Steven Dubnoff sdubnoff@circlesys.com wrote:

From: Steven Dubnoff sdubnoff@circlesys.com
Subject: [PUP] Google map of piracy incidents
To: "Passagemaking Under Power List"
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Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 3:45 PM

this was on Slashdot:

http://tinyurl.com/5jfncp

Steve


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Steve,thanks for this map of Piracy and it does show a concentration in South China Sea and around Singapore, but it should be shown in Context. I live in Singapore and know at any one time on any one day there is over 800 commercial ships either coming or going into Singapore, this is the largest Container port in the world with the highest tonnage, even higher than Rotterdam so another glance at the map still makes it very interesting but in context not quite so frightening. Regards David Just Earth Business www.justearthbusiness.com --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Steven Dubnoff <sdubnoff@circlesys.com> wrote: From: Steven Dubnoff <sdubnoff@circlesys.com> Subject: [PUP] Google map of piracy incidents To: "Passagemaking Under Power List" <passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com> Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 3:45 PM this was on Slashdot: http://tinyurl.com/5jfncp Steve _______________________________________________ http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power To unsubscribe send email to passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com with the word UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks of Water World Productions, formerly known as Trawler World Productions.
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Warren Hall
Tue, Nov 25, 2008 5:57 PM

in context with North America and Europe's complete lack of incidents shown,
I'd have to say that I'd be a bit concerned if I were in your waters.

Warren
From: David Lawmailto:davidinsg@yahoo.com
To: Passagemaking Under Power
Listmailto:passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com south as
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: [PUP] Google map of piracy incidents

Steve,thanks for this map of Piracy and it does show a concentration in
South
China Sea and around Singapore, but it should be shown in Context. I live
in
Singapore and know at any one time on any one day there  is over 800
commercial ships either coming or going into Singapore, this is the largest
Container port in the world with the highest tonnage, even higher than
Rotterdam so another glance at the map still makes it very interesting but
in
context not quite so frightening.
Regards
David

Just Earth Business
www.justearthbusiness.comhttp://www.justearthbusiness.com/

--- On Tue, 11/25/08, Steven Dubnoff
<sdubnoff@circlesys.commailto:sdubnoff@circlesys.com> wrote:

From: Steven Dubnoff
<sdubnoff@circlesys.commailto:sdubnoff@circlesys.com>
Subject: [PUP] Google map of piracy incidents
To: "Passagemaking Under Power List"
<passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com<mailto:passagemaking-under-pow
er@lists.samurai.com>>
Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 3:45 PM

this was on Slashdot:

http://tinyurl.com/5jfncphttp://tinyurl.com/5jfncp

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in context with North America and Europe's complete lack of incidents shown, I'd have to say that I'd be a bit concerned if I were in your waters. Warren From: David Law<mailto:davidinsg@yahoo.com> To: Passagemaking Under Power List<mailto:passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com> south as Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [PUP] Google map of piracy incidents Steve,thanks for this map of Piracy and it does show a concentration in South China Sea and around Singapore, but it should be shown in Context. I live in Singapore and know at any one time on any one day there is over 800 commercial ships either coming or going into Singapore, this is the largest Container port in the world with the highest tonnage, even higher than Rotterdam so another glance at the map still makes it very interesting but in context not quite so frightening. Regards David Just Earth Business www.justearthbusiness.com<http://www.justearthbusiness.com/> --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Steven Dubnoff <sdubnoff@circlesys.com<mailto:sdubnoff@circlesys.com>> wrote: From: Steven Dubnoff <sdubnoff@circlesys.com<mailto:sdubnoff@circlesys.com>> Subject: [PUP] Google map of piracy incidents To: "Passagemaking Under Power List" <passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com<mailto:passagemaking-under-pow er@lists.samurai.com>> Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 3:45 PM this was on Slashdot: http://tinyurl.com/5jfncp<http://tinyurl.com/5jfncp> Steve _______________________________________________ http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power<http:// lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power> To unsubscribe send email to passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com<mailto:passagemaking-un der-power-request@lists.samurai.com> with the word UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks of Water World Productions, formerly known as Trawler World Productions. _______________________________________________ http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power<http:// lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power> To unsubscribe send email to passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com<mailto:passagemaking-un der-power-request@lists.samurai.com> with the word UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks of Water World Productions, formerly known as Trawler World Productions.
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2elnav@netbistro.com
Fri, Nov 28, 2008 8:50 PM

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Dubnoff"
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:45 PM
Subject: [PUP] Google map of piracy incidents

this was on Slashdot:

http://tinyurl.com/5jfncp

REPLY
On Nov  26  a report from IMO  indicated that  pirates may be using AIS to
track and pinpoint target vessels. Until now it was assumed  the pirates
were simply attacking any vessels of opportunity.  Debriefings of captured
pirates now show they are aware of  valuable ships leaving  distant ports
and heading towards their chosen hunting area.
One Frech registered luxury yacht has already been taken after it transited
the Suez canal..  Pleasure yachts will be seen as lower risk targets now
that  armed escorts and on board mercenaries are employede to protect
commercial shipping.
Suddenly AIS  becomes a mixed blessing  when transiting  troubled waters.

regards
Arild

----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Dubnoff" Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:45 PM Subject: [PUP] Google map of piracy incidents > this was on Slashdot: > > http://tinyurl.com/5jfncp REPLY On Nov 26 a report from IMO indicated that pirates may be using AIS to track and pinpoint target vessels. Until now it was assumed the pirates were simply attacking any vessels of opportunity. Debriefings of captured pirates now show they are aware of valuable ships leaving distant ports and heading towards their chosen hunting area. One Frech registered luxury yacht has already been taken after it transited the Suez canal.. Pleasure yachts will be seen as lower risk targets now that armed escorts and on board mercenaries are employede to protect commercial shipping. Suddenly AIS becomes a mixed blessing when transiting troubled waters. regards Arild
JM
John Marshall
Fri, Nov 28, 2008 8:58 PM

Time to figure out how to put your transponder in receive-only mode if
you go into hazardous waters. Something a yacht the size of the ones
the people of this group likely own, who aren't required to have AIS
to the best of my knowledge.

If you get the magic incantation from the manufacturer, even the Class
A units can be switched to this mode, although its not in the manual,
at least for Furuno FA150. It takes a special password to kill the
transmitter.

John Marshall
On Nov 28, 2008, at 12:50 PM, 2elnav@netbistro.com <2elnav@netbistro.com

wrote:

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Dubnoff"
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:45 PM
Subject: [PUP] Google map of piracy incidents

this was on Slashdot:

http://tinyurl.com/5jfncp

REPLY
On Nov  26  a report from IMO  indicated that  pirates may be using
AIS to
track and pinpoint target vessels. Until now it was assumed  the
pirates
were simply attacking any vessels of opportunity.  Debriefings of
captured
pirates now show they are aware of  valuable ships leaving  distant
ports
and heading towards their chosen hunting area.
One Frech registered luxury yacht has already been taken after it
transited
the Suez canal..  Pleasure yachts will be seen as lower risk targets
now
that  armed escorts and on board mercenaries are employede to protect
commercial shipping.
Suddenly AIS  becomes a mixed blessing  when transiting  troubled
waters.

regards
Arild


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Time to figure out how to put your transponder in receive-only mode if you go into hazardous waters. Something a yacht the size of the ones the people of this group likely own, who aren't required to have AIS to the best of my knowledge. If you get the magic incantation from the manufacturer, even the Class A units can be switched to this mode, although its not in the manual, at least for Furuno FA150. It takes a special password to kill the transmitter. John Marshall On Nov 28, 2008, at 12:50 PM, <2elnav@netbistro.com> <2elnav@netbistro.com > wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steven Dubnoff" > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:45 PM > Subject: [PUP] Google map of piracy incidents > > >> this was on Slashdot: >> >> http://tinyurl.com/5jfncp > > > > REPLY > On Nov 26 a report from IMO indicated that pirates may be using > AIS to > track and pinpoint target vessels. Until now it was assumed the > pirates > were simply attacking any vessels of opportunity. Debriefings of > captured > pirates now show they are aware of valuable ships leaving distant > ports > and heading towards their chosen hunting area. > One Frech registered luxury yacht has already been taken after it > transited > the Suez canal.. Pleasure yachts will be seen as lower risk targets > now > that armed escorts and on board mercenaries are employede to protect > commercial shipping. > Suddenly AIS becomes a mixed blessing when transiting troubled > waters. > > regards > Arild > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power > > To unsubscribe send email to > passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com with the word > UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. > > Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks of Water World > Productions, formerly known as Trawler World Productions.
SD
Steven Dubnoff
Fri, Nov 28, 2008 10:29 PM

Time to figure out how to put your transponder in receive-only mode if
you go into hazardous waters.

But then again, with the Indian navy sinking fishing trawlers they
happen to think are pirate ships, it is best to identify yourself,
perhaps as a "low-budget yacht".

Best,

Steve

>Time to figure out how to put your transponder in receive-only mode if >you go into hazardous waters. But then again, with the Indian navy sinking fishing trawlers they happen to think are pirate ships, it is best to identify yourself, perhaps as a "low-budget yacht". Best, Steve
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2elnav@netbistro.com
Fri, Nov 28, 2008 10:44 PM

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Dubnoff" sdubnoff@circlesys.com

But then again, with the Indian navy sinking fishing trawlers they
happen to think are pirate ships, it is best to identify yourself,
perhaps as a "low-budget yacht".

REPLY
How about  a combination system of listening full time and  being able to
select  low power transmit mode momentarily to identify yourself;  but only
if you are certain  the other vessels in sight are legit. Patrol boats,
escort vessels, etc.

Of course  avoid going there  or sailing in convoy is likely to be the best
protective method.

IMO  officials were quoted as saying that given the amount of money  paid in
ransom,  equipping these pirate vessels with the latest  in sophisticated
navigation tools is afordable.  Today I saw a report that four british
mercenaries hired to protect a ship  was forced to jump overboard when the
pirate vessel opened fire with RPG  on the operator of  the sonic cannon
used for defense.  The story caption  said  they needed guns and greater
firepower.

Arild

----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Dubnoff" <sdubnoff@circlesys.com> > But then again, with the Indian navy sinking fishing trawlers they > happen to think are pirate ships, it is best to identify yourself, > perhaps as a "low-budget yacht". REPLY How about a combination system of listening full time and being able to select low power transmit mode momentarily to identify yourself; but only if you are certain the other vessels in sight are legit. Patrol boats, escort vessels, etc. Of course avoid going there or sailing in convoy is likely to be the best protective method. IMO officials were quoted as saying that given the amount of money paid in ransom, equipping these pirate vessels with the latest in sophisticated navigation tools is afordable. Today I saw a report that four british mercenaries hired to protect a ship was forced to jump overboard when the pirate vessel opened fire with RPG on the operator of the sonic cannon used for defense. The story caption said they needed guns and greater firepower. Arild