Janko, You have already thrown a brick. I don't understand your refusal to throw stones. Who is being accused of doing what? Spell it out for us. Sent from my Samsung S III -------- Original message -------- From: Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek@eranova.si> Date: 2014/02/10 02:57 (GMT-08:00) To: smalltalk-gsoc-mentors@googlegroups.com Cc: ESUG Mailing list <esug-list@lists.esug.org>,Pharo Development List <pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org>,The general-purpose Squeak developers list <squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org> Subject: [Esug-list] The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude Dne 10. 02. 2014 11:08, piše Stéphane Ducasse: > Janko CAN YOU STOP! > > "blatantly unethical behavior” > Really > > Stef Stef, we are waiting to you. Will you tell us your part of the story about your GSoC 2010 act or shall I start by myself? Janko >> Phil, >> This matter is actually very important for Smalltalk community, >> because it exposes nontransparent, meddling behind the scenes, >> and in some cases blatantly unethical behavior of some ESUG board >> members. Which is certainly bad for our community on long term. >> Such matters need to be clarified and some conclusions to be made for a >> community to preserve health and go on. Otherwise you are drowning into >> murky waters more and more. >> >> Best regards >> Janko >> >> Dne 10. 02. 2014 09:12, piše phil@highoctane.be >> <mailto:phil@highoctane.be>: >>> Guys, >>> >>> From the outside it just looks like a couple of spoiled kids battling in >>> the kindergarten. >>> >>> All of this is not moving Smalltalk and Pharo any single bit forward. >>> Backwards, there is a fair chance. >>> >>> Now, could you take this discussion elsewhere? Pick up a phone and talk. >>> >>> Who cares if anyone is right? Oh yeah, EUR 4K, what a huge amount to >>> fight over for an European org... (rolleyes). >>> >>> Phil >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Luc Fabresse <luc.fabresse@gmail.com >>> <mailto:luc.fabresse@gmail.com> >>> <mailto:luc.fabresse@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>>    Hi Janko, >>> >>>    I do not have all numbers at hand now but in 2013 there were 4 >>>    extra-GSOC but we paid only 3 because one student gave >>>    up (Jean-Baptiste Beuzelin). >>>    So yes you are probably right that it remains money if we integrate >>>    last year BUT we were willing to spend it. >>> >>>    Luc >>> >>> >>>    2014-02-09 Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek@eranova.si >>> <mailto:janko.mivsek@eranova.si> >>>    <mailto:janko.mivsek@eranova.si>>: >>> >>>        Dear all, >>> >>>        First to Luc: from your numbers it is clear that you are not to be >>>        blamed on anything, because you were obviously misinformed and >>>        misguided. >>> >>>        Facts namely are: >>> >>>        1. GSoC mentors decided to pay extra stipendiums 3000 USD [1] >>> while >>>           ESUG without approval paid 2000 more, 5000 USD, without any >>>        report >>>           back to GSoC mentors, >>> >>>        2. GSoC mentors decided to add past GSoC2012 amount to the >>> pool for >>>           paying extra projects [2][3]. >>> >>>        Calculation (without the Summit expenses) therefore is: >>> >>>        Income: GSoC 2012  13x 500 =  6.500 USD >>>                GSoC 2013  13x 500 =  6.500 USD >>>                ------------------------------ >>>                                     13.000 USD >>> >>>        Expenses: >>>                Extra stipendiums: 3x 3.000 = 9.000 USD >>> >>>        Difference: + 4.000 USD >>> >>>        If ESUG would follow the decisions of GSoC mentors it wouldn't >>>        loose any >>>        money but gain 4.000 USD. >>> >>>        Those that misinformed and misguided you needs therefore to >>>        apologize to >>>        you Luc, to the GSoC mentors and to me as admin! >>> >>>        Janko >>> >>>        [1] >>>        https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/Yrlj8dIgGPg >>>        [2] >>>        https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/WwnxpkXzAB8 >>>        [3] >>>        https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/tR44jdPT5Hw >>> >>> >>>        Dne 09. 02. 2014 17:26, piše Luc Fabresse: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> ------------ >>>> FACTS >>>> >>>> As you all know, I am the ESUG treasurer. >>>> So please find the numbers attached for the ESUG support of GSOC >>>> projects in 2013. >>>> >>>> ESUG sponsored 3 "extra-GSOC" meaning extra slots not accepted >>>        by Google. >>>> In the file it is: Alejandro Infante, Pablo Estefo and >>>        Benjamin Arezki. >>>> >>>> All in all we paid: >>>> - 3695EUR (~5000USD at that time i.e. same cost as a regular >>>        GSOC) each >>>> projects >>>> - Serge trip to Mentor summit >>>> >>>> And we received 5552EUR from Google >>>> >>>> so yes we lost ~6582EUR >>>> That is easy 13*500 USD would only cover 1 plain extra-Gsoc and we >>>> sponsorized 3. >>>> >>>> I also think that it is important to send someone to the GSoc >>>        mentor >>>> summit because it participates to the fact that Google >>>        recognizes ESUG >>>> ang gives slots the next year. >>>> >>>> It is alos important to note dates. >>>> ESUG paid first and then has been refund by Google. >>>> It would not be possible to do it without ESUG. >>>> >>>> ------------ >>>> FROM HERE, MY POINT OF VIEW ON THIS STORY: >>>> >>>> As some of you know, I doing the ESUG treasury stuff on my >>>        *own* time >>>> and it takes a lot! >>>> I am doing it because I strongly believe that Smalltalk (all >>>        falvors!) >>>> is a really great language that should be more widespread. >>>> >>>> I also completely open to discussions. >>>> The ESUG board can also explain its actions and even money status. >>>> I can do errors too. >>>> So if Janko wants some details on GSOC related money, JUST ASK! >>>> >>>> I cannot admit that: >>>> >>>> - Janko wrote about some money accusation. This is directly >>>        directed >>>> against the treasurer so me. >>>> And honestly, just reading again that I am biased and that I >>>        hide or >>>> steal money make me think that I should better quit. >>>> >>>> - Janko asked for apologies! what is that? even if I would >>>        have done a >>>> mistake (and ESUG did not loose money), YOU STILL MUST THANK >>>        ME for >>>> DOING THIS BORING TASK!  and then I can correct mistakes if any >>>> >>>> - People wants an answer fast, this conversation started >>>        yesterday and I >>>> am spending my week-end with my kids >>>> >>>> >>>> I am really fed up with this kind of attitude. >>>> Stop accuse, better ask, discuss and we will solve the >>>        problems together >>>> if any. >>>> But I think it will never happen... >>>> >>>> #Luc >>>> The disgusted Treasurer of ESUG who will finish his week-end >>>        in bad mood -- Janko Mivšek Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team _______________________________________________ Esug-list mailing list Esug-list@lists.esug.org http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org