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Re: [time-nuts] [Fwd: Re: What is the best counter for a Time Nuts?]

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hasweb@has.org.nz
Mon, Oct 13, 2008 7:40 PM

Mike Monett wrote:

So, assuming my known timebase is "bang on", I know  the frequency
of the unknown 10 MHz source to an accuracy of roughly 3e-10  or 3
parts in 10 billion.

To get  a  more precise measurement  of  the  frequency difference
between the two 10 MHz clocks, I supply the known 10 MHz  clock to
the Channel  A  input  of an HP  3575A  Gain-Phase  meter  and the
unknown 10  MHz  clock to the channel B  input  of  the Gain-Phase
meter.

Another very  difficult instrument to find any data on.  The  best I
could find shows it has an accuracy of ± 0.5 degree and resolution
of 0.1 degree.

Try the agilent website for the manuals not yet readily available
For directions visit:
www.hparchive.com http://www.hparchive.com

There is a 3575A manual for downloading at the Agilent ftp link.
If you read it you will find that the specified error with 10MHz
inputs is much larger: 10-20 degrees or so.

Bruce

Mike Monett wrote: > > So, assuming my known timebase is "bang on", I know the frequency > > of the unknown 10 MHz source to an accuracy of roughly 3e-10 or 3 > > parts in 10 billion. > > > To get a more precise measurement of the frequency difference > > between the two 10 MHz clocks, I supply the known 10 MHz clock to > > the Channel A input of an HP 3575A Gain-Phase meter and the > > unknown 10 MHz clock to the channel B input of the Gain-Phase > > meter. > > Another very difficult instrument to find any data on. The best I > could find shows it has an accuracy of ± 0.5 degree and resolution > of 0.1 degree. > Try the agilent website for the manuals not yet readily available For directions visit: www.hparchive.com <http://www.hparchive.com> There is a 3575A manual for downloading at the Agilent ftp link. If you read it you will find that the specified error with 10MHz inputs is much larger: 10-20 degrees or so. Bruce
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Mike Monett
Tue, Oct 14, 2008 3:09 AM

Mike Monett wrote:

So, assuming my known timebase is "bang on", I know  the frequency
of the unknown 10 MHz source to an accuracy of roughly 3e-10  or 3
parts in 10 billion.

To get  a  more precise measurement  of  the  frequency difference
between the two 10 MHz clocks, I supply the known 10 MHz  clock to
the Channel  A  input  of an HP  3575A  Gain-Phase  meter  and the
unknown 10  MHz  clock to the channel B  input  of  the Gain-Phase
meter.

Another very  difficult instrument to find any data on.  The  best I
could find shows it has an accuracy of ± 0.5 degree and resolution
of 0.1 degree.

Try the agilent website for the manuals not yet readily available
For directions visit:
www.hparchive.com http://www.hparchive.com

There is a 3575A manual for downloading at the Agilent ftp link.
If you read it you will find that the specified error with 10MHz
inputs is much larger: 10-20 degrees or so.

Bruce

There is nothing in the hparchive site, and I don't have the Agilent ftp
site url.

Could you give a direct link to the 3575A manual?

The basic principle is sound. It should be very easy to make a simple PWM
circuit to measure phase accurately at 10MHz. You mentioned the same thing
earlier. Why not post the schematic so we can take a look?

Mike Monett

hasweb@has.org.nz wrote: > >Mike Monett wrote: >> > So, assuming my known timebase is "bang on", I know the frequency >> > of the unknown 10 MHz source to an accuracy of roughly 3e-10 or 3 >> > parts in 10 billion. >> >> > To get a more precise measurement of the frequency difference >> > between the two 10 MHz clocks, I supply the known 10 MHz clock to >> > the Channel A input of an HP 3575A Gain-Phase meter and the >> > unknown 10 MHz clock to the channel B input of the Gain-Phase >> > meter. >> >> Another very difficult instrument to find any data on. The best I >> could find shows it has an accuracy of ± 0.5 degree and resolution >> of 0.1 degree. >> >Try the agilent website for the manuals not yet readily available >For directions visit: >www.hparchive.com <http://www.hparchive.com> > >There is a 3575A manual for downloading at the Agilent ftp link. >If you read it you will find that the specified error with 10MHz >inputs is much larger: 10-20 degrees or so. > >Bruce There is nothing in the hparchive site, and I don't have the Agilent ftp site url. Could you give a direct link to the 3575A manual? The basic principle is sound. It should be very easy to make a simple PWM circuit to measure phase accurately at 10MHz. You mentioned the same thing earlier. Why not post the schematic so we can take a look? Mike Monett