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Re: [mvus-list] Looking for transformer core suggestions

TC
Trevor Clarke
Mon, Jul 6, 2020 11:05 PM

Not sure why I wasn't thinking about active matching so that could work. I
haven't run the numbers yet but an L match with a stub inductor might work
too.

Trevor R.H. Clarke, K8TRC

On Mon, Jul 6, 2020, 6:08 PM Tom Holmes tholmes@woh.rr.com wrote:

For a 1500 to 50 ohm conversion, I’d think an emitter follower output
stage would go from high to low Z, and a common emitter input stage would
got the other way. I know you want to avoid a custom PCB, but the losses of
any sort of transformer won’t be pretty, and the active circuits will be
unity gain or better.

Assuming the LPF/BPF is 50 ohms in and out, more or less, those aren’t too
tough using air core inductors, so losses can be tolerable. ARRL handbook
should have some examples, although may have to go back a few years. I have
some old ones still. Is passband flatness or phase shift a potential issue?

Tom Holmes, N8ZM

From: Trevor Clarke retrev@csh.rit.edu
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2020 5:56 PM
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Cc: Tom Holmes tholmes@woh.rr.com
Subject: Re: [mvus-list] Looking for transformer core suggestions

30W is a separate but related question related to material for a transmit
lpf/bpf

I was hoping to avoid a custom pcb and use microwave proto boards and
short traces. Frequencies are 50MHz and about 200MHz. Impedances are 50ish
ohm for interconnects and I/o impedance vary with device, up to 1.5k or so

Trevor R.H. Clarke, K8TRC

On Mon, Jul 6, 2020, 4:16 PM Tom Holmes via mvus-list <
mvus-list@lists.febo.com> wrote:

What impedance ratio are you needing?

A toroid of ferrite could work if you need some integer ratio, but if it is
more of a matching exercise, maybe a stripline would work better. The
ferrite is going to be a bit lossy.

Not sure I understand it the <30W part is the same question or a separate
one.

Tom Holmes, N8ZM

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Subject: [mvus-list] Looking for transformer core suggestions

What materials are good for impedance transformers for VHF? Say 2-5%
bandwidth and relatively low power.(matching receiver and transmitter
stages so uW to mW) if using in an output filter for <30W would you suggest
a different material?

Trevor R.H. Clarke, K8TRC


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Not sure why I wasn't thinking about active matching so that could work. I haven't run the numbers yet but an L match with a stub inductor might work too. Trevor R.H. Clarke, K8TRC On Mon, Jul 6, 2020, 6:08 PM Tom Holmes <tholmes@woh.rr.com> wrote: > For a 1500 to 50 ohm conversion, I’d think an emitter follower output > stage would go from high to low Z, and a common emitter input stage would > got the other way. I know you want to avoid a custom PCB, but the losses of > any sort of transformer won’t be pretty, and the active circuits will be > unity gain or better. > > > > Assuming the LPF/BPF is 50 ohms in and out, more or less, those aren’t too > tough using air core inductors, so losses can be tolerable. ARRL handbook > should have some examples, although may have to go back a few years. I have > some old ones still. Is passband flatness or phase shift a potential issue? > > > > Tom Holmes, N8ZM > > > > *From:* Trevor Clarke <retrev@csh.rit.edu> > *Sent:* Monday, July 06, 2020 5:56 PM > *To:* Midwest VHF/UHF Society Mailing List <mvus-list@lists.febo.com> > *Cc:* Tom Holmes <tholmes@woh.rr.com> > *Subject:* Re: [mvus-list] Looking for transformer core suggestions > > > > 30W is a separate but related question related to material for a transmit > lpf/bpf > > > > I was hoping to avoid a custom pcb and use microwave proto boards and > short traces. Frequencies are 50MHz and about 200MHz. Impedances are 50ish > ohm for interconnects and I/o impedance vary with device, up to 1.5k or so > > Trevor R.H. Clarke, K8TRC > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2020, 4:16 PM Tom Holmes via mvus-list < > mvus-list@lists.febo.com> wrote: > > What impedance ratio are you needing? > > A toroid of ferrite could work if you need some integer ratio, but if it is > more of a matching exercise, maybe a stripline would work better. The > ferrite is going to be a bit lossy. > > Not sure I understand it the <30W part is the same question or a separate > one. > > Tom Holmes, N8ZM > > -----Original Message----- > From: mvus-list <mvus-list-bounces@lists.febo.com> On Behalf Of Trevor > Clarke via mvus-list > Sent: Monday, July 06, 2020 3:25 PM > To: Midwest VHF/UHF Society Mailing List <mvus-list@lists.febo.com> > Cc: Trevor Clarke <retrev@csh.rit.edu> > Subject: [mvus-list] Looking for transformer core suggestions > > What materials are good for impedance transformers for VHF? Say 2-5% > bandwidth and relatively low power.(matching receiver and transmitter > stages so uW to mW) if using in an output filter for <30W would you suggest > a different material? > > Trevor R.H. Clarke, K8TRC > _______________________________________________ > mvus-list mailing list > mvus-list@lists.febo.com > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list_lists.febo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > mvus-list mailing list > mvus-list@lists.febo.com > http://lists.febo.com/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list_lists.febo.com > >