Hi,
From: "WB6BNQ" wb6bnq@cox.net
Is your roughly the same size ? Do you know or have a picture of what it came
out of ?
It's 23.97mm diameter, 23.60mm height and weight 34.35gr
R 1-2 and 2-3 = 13.56 ohms from 1-3 = 27.12 ohms.
I hope I don't have to open it!
Thanks for your help.
Bye,
Jean-Louis
Hi
I would say it's a custom made tapped inductor based on the resistance data.
What did it come out of?
Bob
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Hi,
From: "WB6BNQ" wb6bnq@cox.net
Is your roughly the same size ? Do you know or have a picture of what it
came
out of ?
It's 23.97mm diameter, 23.60mm height and weight 34.35gr
R 1-2 and 2-3 = 13.56 ohms from 1-3 = 27.12 ohms.
I hope I don't have to open it!
Thanks for your help.
Bye,
Jean-Louis
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Since you measured the same R on opposite ends, it appears to be a
center-tapped inductor. Since there's no input signal other than power
in the schematic, it must be a low frequency oscillator. If you draw in
the inductor on the schematic, it should make more sense. It could be
that they used an AC bridge for the temperature control, so it was used
as a clean, regulated-amplitude, low frequency excitation signal.
AC excitation would have been easier to process back then - easy to
amplify up with very high gain, and synchronously demodulate to get the
feedback/control signal. DC at high gain and low offset was trickier,
and often would have used a chopper-stabilized amplifier - essentially
making it an AC system. This just skips the chopper part on the input
end. You should find that the signal from this circuit goes to the
thermistor bridge, and also to some circuitry following the amplifier to
provide the demodulation.
Ed
I just noticed one more thing - if the NTC thermistor in the schematic
is the actual one that senses the oven temperature, then the oscillator
and bridge are one in the same. If this is the case, then the oscillator
amplitude could be proportional to bridge imbalance - if the NTC is
being balanced by the 1414 ohm resistor. I doubt that this is the case
though, since the DC resistance of the inductor would swamp the others,
so it would need to be AC-coupled into the bridge to isolate its
resistance, but the schematic shows direct connection. Also, you would
need the phase information to know which direction is needed to correct
it, so there would have to be another signal pickoff from this circuit
to get the demodulator phase info.
If the thermistor is just sensing ambient temperature of the control
circuit, then it's probably compensating for circuit drift and
oscillator amplitude. I think this is the more likely setup, given the
schematic info.
Ed
Hi Ed,
From: "Ed Breya" eb@telight.com
I just noticed one more thing - if the NTC thermistor in the schematic
is the actual one that senses the oven temperature, then the oscillator
and bridge are one in the same. If this is the case, then the oscillator
amplitude could be proportional to bridge imbalance - if the NTC is
being balanced by the 1414 ohm resistor.
Yes, it is.
It works in AC at 315 Hz.
Thank you so much.
Bye,
Jean-Louis