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Re: [PUP] Med Bound 2007 Noon Report - June 22: Of fish and fish

T
Truelove39@aol.com
Sat, Jun 23, 2007 11:29 AM

Hi Milt -

Yes, this can be a dangerous time and must be minimized. We find it  best to
keep the fish in until we are favored with calmer seas, when they are  not
needed. In some cases we will run them right into an inlet before retrieval
In
fact webre removing 6 feet of chain from the tow wire so as to have the fish
run at 9 feet for coastal cruising. Webll put the extra 6 feet in when
passage
making.

Since our retrieval system is armstrong powered, we are able to deploy and
retrieve much more quickly than a powered system is. On Seahorse, the fish
stow
in holsters which are mounted on the cap rail, outboard and just aft of the
outrigger hinge. After slowing and bringing the boat head to sea, we simply
lift  them from their holsters and drop them in, close to the boat. Retrieval
is  quick, too; after raising the outriggers to about 20 degrees from vertical
I use  my body weight to pull down on the rope portion of the tow wire, and
stop it off  as the fish clears the water. Then with a boat hook, I quickly
hook
the chain  just above the fish and pull it up to the rail, grasp it and lower
it into its  holster. The new system has a retrieval line rather than
requiring a boat  hook.

Regards,

John
"Seahorse"

Especially when the boat is rolling, the time when the fish is

kissing the water then becomes a pendulum then goes back to the
water--that's the difficult time!  It's also the time when we're  at
most risk for damaging the boat with an out-of-control paravane."

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Hi Milt - Yes, this can be a dangerous time and must be minimized. We find it best to keep the fish in until we are favored with calmer seas, when they are not needed. In some cases we will run them right into an inlet before retrieval In fact webre removing 6 feet of chain from the tow wire so as to have the fish run at 9 feet for coastal cruising. Webll put the extra 6 feet in when passage making. Since our retrieval system is armstrong powered, we are able to deploy and retrieve much more quickly than a powered system is. On Seahorse, the fish stow in holsters which are mounted on the cap rail, outboard and just aft of the outrigger hinge. After slowing and bringing the boat head to sea, we simply lift them from their holsters and drop them in, close to the boat. Retrieval is quick, too; after raising the outriggers to about 20 degrees from vertical I use my body weight to pull down on the rope portion of the tow wire, and stop it off as the fish clears the water. Then with a boat hook, I quickly hook the chain just above the fish and pull it up to the rail, grasp it and lower it into its holster. The new system has a retrieval line rather than requiring a boat hook. Regards, John "Seahorse" > Especially when the boat is rolling, the time when the fish is kissing the water then becomes a pendulum then goes back to the water--that's the difficult time! It's also the time when we're at most risk for damaging the boat with an out-of-control paravane." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
DL
David Law
Sun, Jun 24, 2007 2:47 AM

People I recently sent for lit on the Island Packet PY Cruiser it arrived and quite interesting it is but it was ot till I asked about Stabilizers and a wing engine they sent me a reviewand IT HAS SAILS, yes it has not shown in the lit not mentione on the price list think of it "America's Cruising Yacht Leader" as the lit says missed the fact this cruiser has SAILS maybe it just slippped their mind to show them in the external shots better to show computer generated sailor joe and his dogs.
All for Island Packet Yachts.
Regards
David

Truelove39@aol.com wrote:
Hi Milt -

Yes, this can be a dangerous time and must be minimized. We find it best to
keep the fish in until we are favored with calmer seas, when they are not
needed. In some cases we will run them right into an inlet before retrieval
In
fact webre removing 6 feet of chain from the tow wire so as to have the fish
run at 9 feet for coastal cruising. Webll put the extra 6 feet in when
passage
making.

Since our retrieval system is armstrong powered, we are able to deploy and
retrieve much more quickly than a powered system is. On Seahorse, the fish
stow
in holsters which are mounted on the cap rail, outboard and just aft of the
outrigger hinge. After slowing and bringing the boat head to sea, we simply
lift them from their holsters and drop them in, close to the boat. Retrieval
is quick, too; after raising the outriggers to about 20 degrees from vertical
I use my body weight to pull down on the rope portion of the tow wire, and
stop it off as the fish clears the water. Then with a boat hook, I quickly
hook
the chain just above the fish and pull it up to the rail, grasp it and lower
it into its holster. The new system has a retrieval line rather than
requiring a boat hook.

Regards,

John
"Seahorse"

Especially when the boat is rolling, the time when the fish is

kissing the water then becomes a pendulum then goes back to the
water--that's the difficult time! It's also the time when we're at
most risk for damaging the boat with an out-of-control paravane."

************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.


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People I recently sent for lit on the Island Packet PY Cruiser it arrived and quite interesting it is but it was ot till I asked about Stabilizers and a wing engine they sent me a reviewand IT HAS SAILS, yes it has not shown in the lit not mentione on the price list think of it "America's Cruising Yacht Leader" as the lit says missed the fact this cruiser has SAILS maybe it just slippped their mind to show them in the external shots better to show computer generated sailor joe and his dogs. All for Island Packet Yachts. Regards David Truelove39@aol.com wrote: Hi Milt - Yes, this can be a dangerous time and must be minimized. We find it best to keep the fish in until we are favored with calmer seas, when they are not needed. In some cases we will run them right into an inlet before retrieval In fact webre removing 6 feet of chain from the tow wire so as to have the fish run at 9 feet for coastal cruising. Webll put the extra 6 feet in when passage making. Since our retrieval system is armstrong powered, we are able to deploy and retrieve much more quickly than a powered system is. On Seahorse, the fish stow in holsters which are mounted on the cap rail, outboard and just aft of the outrigger hinge. After slowing and bringing the boat head to sea, we simply lift them from their holsters and drop them in, close to the boat. Retrieval is quick, too; after raising the outriggers to about 20 degrees from vertical I use my body weight to pull down on the rope portion of the tow wire, and stop it off as the fish clears the water. Then with a boat hook, I quickly hook the chain just above the fish and pull it up to the rail, grasp it and lower it into its holster. The new system has a retrieval line rather than requiring a boat hook. Regards, John "Seahorse" > Especially when the boat is rolling, the time when the fish is kissing the water then becomes a pendulum then goes back to the water--that's the difficult time! It's also the time when we're at most risk for damaging the boat with an out-of-control paravane." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power To unsubscribe send email to passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com with the word UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks of Water World Productions, formerly known as Trawler World Productions. --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool.
RR
Ron Rogers
Sun, Jun 24, 2007 2:29 PM

Let's be precise about terms. They have a motorsailer called the SP Cruiser.
It superficially copies the Nordhavn 56 MS with its forward cockpit. The
SP's interior is a sailboat interior owing to its narrow beam. The hull has
a cutaway forefoot which prevents the installation of a bow thruster. It
might allow the boat to come about under sail - a problem with early Island
Packet sailboats. {:*))

It might fit coastal cruising with its 250 gallon fuel tank. It has an
"optional" space for a generator. This new boat does not fit easily into a
discussion of "passage makers." It is unlikely that there is any space for
active stabilizers. By keeping a full-battened main up, you can gain
stability under power.

The Island Packets in my marina do appear to have a high quality topside
gelcoat and, in general, look well-made. But, I'd let someone else fund
their experiment.

Ron Rogers

Let's be precise about terms. They have a motorsailer called the SP Cruiser. It superficially copies the Nordhavn 56 MS with its forward cockpit. The SP's interior is a sailboat interior owing to its narrow beam. The hull has a cutaway forefoot which prevents the installation of a bow thruster. It might allow the boat to come about under sail - a problem with early Island Packet sailboats. {:*)) It might fit coastal cruising with its 250 gallon fuel tank. It has an "optional" space for a generator. This new boat does not fit easily into a discussion of "passage makers." It is unlikely that there is any space for active stabilizers. By keeping a full-battened main up, you can gain stability under power. The Island Packets in my marina do appear to have a high quality topside gelcoat and, in general, look well-made. But, I'd let someone else fund their experiment. Ron Rogers
PP
Peter Pisciotta
Sun, Jun 24, 2007 5:29 PM

I'm happy to see motorsailors finding traction in the
market - seems pilothouse sailboats have become
increasingly popular, and a true motorsailor is a
natural progression. We Willard owners see a lot of
folks moving from sail to power (the Willard Boat
Owner's homepage shows a 1977 Willard 40' motorsailor
at $77K. Perkins 135hp, 600 gallons diesel - see below
for a link). Boats like the IP 41MS are worth a look,
especially at $359K base price. Sure it could use some
additional fuel capacity, and I'd prefer a throaty
JD4045 to the Yanmar, but this is an interesting offer
in the market. While it may not fit the PUP charter,
Island Packet has a fine reputation and this boat
likely has decent blue water capabilities, at least
compared to many of the trawlers I've been aboard
(mine included).

Peter
Willard 36 Sedan
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WillardBoatOwners/

=======================
Peter Pisciotta
415-902-8439

I'm happy to see motorsailors finding traction in the market - seems pilothouse sailboats have become increasingly popular, and a true motorsailor is a natural progression. We Willard owners see a lot of folks moving from sail to power (the Willard Boat Owner's homepage shows a 1977 Willard 40' motorsailor at $77K. Perkins 135hp, 600 gallons diesel - see below for a link). Boats like the IP 41MS are worth a look, especially at $359K base price. Sure it could use some additional fuel capacity, and I'd prefer a throaty JD4045 to the Yanmar, but this is an interesting offer in the market. While it may not fit the PUP charter, Island Packet has a fine reputation and this boat likely has decent blue water capabilities, at least compared to many of the trawlers I've been aboard (mine included). Peter Willard 36 Sedan http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WillardBoatOwners/ ======================= Peter Pisciotta 415-902-8439
RR
Ron Rogers
Sun, Jun 24, 2007 7:42 PM

Here is a review of the SP Cruiser:

http://tinyurl.com/2dmptf

Please read excellent builder's response.

Ron Rogers

Here is a review of the SP Cruiser: http://tinyurl.com/2dmptf Please read excellent builder's response. Ron Rogers